Another Apollo 20 alien spaceship video

Originally posted by Camilo1
Hi olegkvasha

I understand from your post that you are in communication with Retiredafb/William Rutledge. I would respectfully suggest that in the best interest of everyone participating in this tread you would share with us some of the information that Mr. Rutledge is providing you with (of course with his authorization). This would be of great importance in trying of proving/disproving his story.

Something leads me to believe that he is genuine. But then again I might be wrong.

Thanks in advance

Camillo

To John Lear: Thanks John for taking the time to participate in this thread, I appreciate it very much.

Hey Camillo,

Of course i plan to put on every response he gives me shortly.. im currently waiting for him to respond to a long email that I sent a few days ago. He does reply to all emails I have sent but does take him a bit of time. I have put the questions and answers in a word document that im composing now.. and for proof i will screenshot the original emails.

Rich

Hi all, a newbie here!

agree with who call this -another hoax- but just to note that

the first part of the video which shows the interior of the presumed apollo 20 is definetly similar to that of apollo 17.
take a look here
www.hq.nasa.gov...

and here
www.ehartwell.com...

and further info here
www.angelismarriti.it...


zheoph




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Just found this video on YouTube, not sure if it's been mentioned yet, however it claims to reveal retiredafb's true identity:

www.youtube.com...

Evidently retiredafb's name is Thierry Speth. It also gives a bit more info, like email address, where he lives in France, and screenshots of how he came to this conclusion.

Originally posted by Evasius
Just found this video on YouTube, not sure if it's been mentioned yet, however it claims to reveal retiredafb's true identity:

www.youtube.com...

Evidently retiredafb's name is Thierry Speth. It also gives a bit more info, like email address, where he lives in France, and screenshots of how he came to this conclusion.

Yes but Dirk Vander Ploeg from UFO Digest debunked
linuxman2k3 from YouTube and published an alleged
interview with William Rutledge supposed commander
of Apollo 20, interview made recently by italian Luca
Scantamburlo. Nothing is clear in this case.
Here the information:

www.ufodigest.com...

Originally posted by Evasius
Just found this video on YouTube, not sure if it's been mentioned yet, however it claims to reveal retiredafb's true identity:

www.youtube.com...

Evidently retiredafb's name is Thierry Speth. It also gives a bit more info, like email address, where he lives in France, and screenshots of how he came to this conclusion.

So what??

Thierry Speth, purchased some Apollo images, likes big booty, and what???


This is proof of nothing.

How can you proove without doubt that he is either Rutledge or Speith?, how are your certain of his identity?. Can you proove beyond doubt that he lives in France or in Africa?.

I just saw some other thread about a "Phd" that says that Rutledge is bogus.

For starters not being a Phd but working with a few I certainly now that they wouldn`t be putting their titles in front just to make them more beliveable.

if he is such a hoax, please explain the "ingress video".

And the coordinates that he gives to his mission that coincide with the ones given by NASA on a prior flight.

The "city" video looks fake, I know that, but what do you expect?. Maybe if this info would be on the prime time news on ABC, would it be more credible?

Regards


Camillo

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Originally posted by Evasius
Just found this video on YouTube, not sure if it's been mentioned yet, however it claims to reveal retiredafb's true identity:

www.youtube.com...

Evidently retiredafb's name is Thierry Speth. It also gives a bit more info, like email address, where he lives in France, and screenshots of how he came to this conclusion.

Ridicolous (no , not you Evasius, the video), and i should believe that this is an hoax just because two lines?

Big anniversary coming up, and everyones's 'at it'. God knows why.

I dont know what to make of this. I looked into the hoax thing that had me going there for a while, the one posted by linuxman, but that really didnt turn anything out, I had problem following his tracks.

I am reading the interview now made by this italian, man...it's just..well if this is a hoax, it is one h*ll of a hoax:

www.angelismarriti.it...

It certainly has me going and I cant wait for the next video.

Originally posted by shiv68

Originally posted by Zaphod58

Originally posted by MajesticTwelve
u dont think this it has been said like 1023212^2 times he has said it was a secret mission.. well cya

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Oh yeah! I forgot that you can HIDE rocket launches! People really CAN'T see them from 200 miles away!

It's so EASY to launch a rocket that no one knows about!

Unless it was said to be something else.

Or if it was launched from someplace where there isn't anybody around for 200 miles or so. After all, the Air Force has all kinds of islands and bases in the Arctic and elsewhere where they could easily launch things without anybody being much the wiser. Except for the Commies, of course, who would be tracking something like that. But they were in on the scam. Remember Skylab, etc? We were all chummy in the 1970's. Maybe we even shipped Apollo 19 and 20 as components over to one of their perfectly good launch facilities.

All it would take to hide a launch is a ton of money, and that's something the U.S. military isn't short of.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

Or if it was launched from someplace where there isn't anybody around for 200 miles or so. After all, the Air Force has all kinds of islands and bases in the Arctic and elsewhere where they could easily launch things without anybody being much the wiser.

SV, my man,
I thought quite highly of you.

Any proof of these "arctic island" launch sites ?

Except for the Commies, of course, who would be tracking something like that.

Yes, yes they would.

But they were in on the scam.

Anything relevant to add to this ?
What "scam" are you referring to ?

Remember Skylab, etc? We were all chummy in the 1970's.

I do remember Skylab.
And, the Russians docked with it.
Any more pertinent info will be greatly
appreciated.

Maybe we even shipped Apollo 19 and 20 as components over to one of their perfectly good launch facilities.

Ok. This is a probability. A very good probability.
But, why would the USSR (at the time) do this ?

Please list reasons. (You have me interested)

All it would take to hide a launch is a ton of money

I disagree.

Launches from sites are observable.
Money can't hide a launch.

Still, you've peaked my interest.

Keep talking.

Regards,
Lex

Originally posted by Lexion
Any proof of these "arctic island" launch sites ?

Oh, well, classified, don't you know.

Except for the Commies, of course, who would be tracking something like that.

Yes, yes they would.

But they were in on the scam.

Anything relevant to add to this ?
What "scam" are you referring to ?

The scam involving the two countries making all kinds of happy noises about cooperating in space, coordinating designs for hatches, paying visits to each other in Mir and Skylab. All this while the two countries worked together to analyze the alien menance after the lone Soviet moon shot discovered the farside base, and Apollo 19 was destroyed. Apollo 18 was scrapped because it was too far completed to make the design changes necessary to perform a military, rather than scientific, mission.

Maybe we even shipped Apollo 19 and 20 as components over to one of their perfectly good launch facilities.

Ok. This is a probability. A very good probability.
But, why would the USSR (at the time) do this ?

Please list reasons. (You have me interested)

The U.S. had beaten the Soviets to the Moon, of course, but until the failing Soviet economy crippled their space program, they were still very active and anxious to get to the Moon, anyway. The Soviets had a long history of keeping its space program a secret, particularly when it came to failures and cosmonaut deaths. When the alien lunar presence was discovered, Nixon shifted a lot of money away from NASA and boosted funding for the U.S. Secret Space Force, which has been in operation since the early 1950's. The cooperation between the Soviets and the U.S. was one of necessity.

This is the stuff Ronald Reagan was going on about when he spoke to the Russians about joining forces to fight a common extraterrestrial enemy. Except he wasn't talking about a future event, he was reminding them of the alliance they already had. After he requested the "MJ-12" briefing, which included data gathered from the Soviet and Apollo 19-20 lunar missions, he was extremely worried. It's one of the reasons he spend all those billions of dollars on the (more successful than admitted) Star Wars program. Not as a shield against the Soviets, who he knew couldn't mount a serious offensive, but from the aliens. The ISS was supposed to function like a fort or outpost in the Old West, coordinating strategic and defense forces in space. Anyway, that's the way Reagan thought. Like a cowboy movie.

Oh, and one of the big reasons Nixon had such a turn-around with the Chinese was because we needed to overfly their country during launches, and we needed to negotiate for that.

All it would take to hide a launch is a ton of money

I disagree.
Launches from sites are observable.
Money can't hide a launch.

It can if you take that ton of money and build facilities so far out in the Siberian boondocks nobody but a few yak herders would see it. Maybe a few amateur astronomers might pick up on something odd in orbit, but who listens to them? They'd just figure they were looking at some classified CIA satellite.

Keep talking.

Of course, constructing and operating a fully functional Saturn launch facility in relative secrecy would be quite a challenge. The key would be to reduce costs by "outsourcing" most of the work to qualified companies (or in this case, countries). Do the basic research out in the open with NASA, Skylab and Mir, then take the results and roll it over into the military project, which would be run by a few American supervisors and mostly Russian technicians.

As for the current state of the military program, that would be anybody's guess. Clementine, "excavating for a mine," as the old song goes, was a CIA reconaissance satellite. I suspect that rather being "lost and gone forever," it's still keeping a quiet watch on alien lunar farside and polar bases, possible serving as a kind of early warning system in case of any increased alien activity.

Ah-hah, you say. It's all starting to fall into place. Ask John Lear. He'll tell you what he can, without making himself a target for an unfortunate fatal "accident."

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Originally posted by SuicideVirus
All this while the two countries worked together to analyze the alien menance after the lone Soviet moon shot discovered the farside base, and Apollo 19 was destroyed.

I've tried in vain searching for information about this over the years. Which Soviet mission initially discovered this base? Was it Luna 3, in 1959? Does anybody have any sources for the photographs taken, preferably one showing the base? (I imagine it to be quite obscure at best!)

I'm not sure if this link has been posted previously in this thread or on ATS, but I'll include it for anyone who missed it or if it hasn't. It's an interview with "William Rutledge", and quite interesting to read (especially the EBE mona lisa part), even if hoaxed:

Interview with Willaim Rutledge

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Or if it was launched from someplace where there isn't anybody around for 200 miles or so. After all, the Air Force has all kinds of islands and bases in the Arctic

Nope. He states in his interview that it was launched from the AFB.

Personally I don't see that as a problem when it comes to the validity of the story. The best way of hiding something is to do it in plain view.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Or if it was launched from someplace where there isn't anybody around for 200 miles or so. After all, the Air Force has all kinds of islands and bases in the Arctic

Nope. He states in his interview that it was launched from the AFB.

Personally I don't see that as a problem when it comes to the validity of the story. The best way of hiding something is to do it in plain view.

I noticed the other day that he has removed some of his videos. I wonder why. For example he had a video of them entering a module and another with a view from outside, looking down on the "alleged" saturn-5. Now they are gone. Weird. Doesn't help the credibility of it all.

I sent him a message on YouTube asking why, no answer yet.

Originally posted by lasse
nope. He states in his interview that it was launched from the AFB.

Personally I don't see that as a problem when it comes to the validity of the story. The best way of hiding something is to do it in plain view.

i disagree - that is the one of the elementary mistakes that flags it as a hoax in my view .

if people are going to claim that saturn V was launched from a location - my first question is how ?

specifically - how any one could assemble a saturnV rocket anywhere except @ the VAB at KSC

there was a reason that they built the VAB and the crawler / transporter - and didnt just attempt to build the rocket on the launch pad in the open

only KSC has a VAB and crawler /transporter with the capacity to handle saturn V

so to be blunt - any claim that they launched a saturn V from anywhere else is instantly suspect .

Originally posted by free_spirit

Originally posted by Evasius
Just found this video on YouTube, not sure if it's been mentioned yet, however it claims to reveal retiredafb's true identity:

www.youtube.com...

Evidently retiredafb's name is Thierry Speth. It also gives a bit more info, like email address, where he lives in France, and screenshots of how he came to this conclusion.

Yes but Dirk Vander Ploeg from UFO Digest debunked
linuxman2k3 from YouTube and published an alleged
interview with William Rutledge supposed commander
of Apollo 20, interview made recently by italian Luca
Scantamburlo. Nothing is clear in this case.
Here the information:

www.ufodigest.com...

Oh sweet lord... How is anyone going to debunk me? I've done nothing but release information on the original identity of retiredafb. Get informed first. Luca never, I repeat, never interviewed retiredafb face to face nor by phone. Everything was through youtube (evidence: personal communication with Luca Scantamburlo). No one can debunk me because I did not fake any "ship" video. Enjoy!

Originally posted by lasse
I dont know what to make of this. I looked into the hoax thing that had me going there for a while, the one posted by linuxman, but that really didnt turn anything out, I had problem following his tracks.

I am reading the interview now made by this italian, man...it's just..well if this is a hoax, it is one h*ll of a hoax:

www.angelismarriti.it...

It certainly has me going and I cant wait for the next video.

Keep waiting mate

Originally posted by Camilo1

Originally posted by Evasius
Just found this video on YouTube, not sure if it's been mentioned yet, however it claims to reveal retiredafb's true identity:

www.youtube.com...

Evidently retiredafb's name is Thierry Speth. It also gives a bit more info, like email address, where he lives in France, and screenshots of how he came to this conclusion.

So what??

Thierry Speth, purchased some Apollo images, likes big booty, and what???


This is proof of nothing.

How can you proove without doubt that he is either Rutledge or Speith?, how are your certain of his identity?. Can you proove beyond doubt that he lives in France or in Africa?.

I just saw some other thread about a "Phd" that says that Rutledge is bogus.

For starters not being a Phd but working with a few I certainly now that they wouldn`t be putting their titles in front just to make them more beliveable.

if he is such a hoax, please explain the "ingress video".

And the coordinates that he gives to his mission that coincide with the ones given by NASA on a prior flight.

The "city" video looks fake, I know that, but what do you expect?. Maybe if this info would be on the prime time news on ABC, would it be more credible?

Regards


Camillo

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Never ever question my qualifications kiddo. I don't have to prove them but if I must look for my name in manchester.ac.uk
With all due respect Camilo, f--- you. There is nothing to explain, I'm not explaining anything but the identity of retiredafb. Believe what you will. Now let's forget this and go all for a beer, first round is on me!

Originally posted by lasse
I noticed the other day that he has removed some of his videos. I wonder why. For example he had a video of them entering a module and another with a view from outside, looking down on the "alleged" saturn-5. Now they are gone. Weird. Doesn't help the credibility of it all.

I sent him a message on YouTube asking why, no answer yet.

Not just videos but also he has removed Leonov's name from the description in his profile. Has he been warned off not to use real names in his hoax? Mmmh... September is around the corner and nothing has happened as he mentioned. He's running out of time... FFS, I should get back to work and stop commenting on useless junk

Cheerio