Another Apollo 20 alien spaceship video

it's possible retiredafb made mistakes with certain facts of the mission due to the fact that he's 76 years old... well he claims he's 76 years old...

it's also possible he's a hoaxer.

I don't think we can prove or disprove the apollo 20 mission yet.

Although I did find this floating around on the internet to help show evidence of the alien ship:

Go to www.lpi.usra.edu...
Click Resources
Go to Lunar Atlases, half way down
Click Apollo Image Atlas
Click Search By Feature Name
Type in Izsak, then Submit Query
Scroll down to bottom and look under Izsak, North of
Click on AS-15-P-9625

Right click to save picture
This is a Panoramic photo taken from 117KM in space. Notice the two craters to its left. It was taken on Apollo Mission 15. Revolution 38.
I got this info from going to Scotts posting of UFO on Moon Video. Going to Utube and reading the comment sections. Retiredafb posted the video, he was born in Belgium lives in Rwanda. Web site full of smut.. I scrolled down reading comment section. Rufus wrote about this photo AS-15-P-9625. Lives in Guatamala, subscribes to Retiredafb website. Hashbrow also mentioned this photo. Lives in Afghanistan (shivers up my spine).

Go back to the resources screen
Click Lunar Map catalog
Click Apollo Mission Lunar Photo Index Maps
Go down to Apollo 17, Click
Go to Map with REV 26/27,36,62,65, Click
Download 150dpi resolution Map noticing the big black crater
save picture
zoom in on black crater till its the size of a golf ball
look to left above Izsak notice something
look to right of of black crater by Pirquet, notice something


edit: source: www.ufoevidence.org...

[edit on 25-6-2007 by curiousbeliever]

[edit on 25-6-2007 by curiousbeliever]

What constitutes labeling something a hoax? I would say that this video seems to be a hoax but that is just my opinion.

its a ridiculously bad hoax, the way the camera is moving is supposed to be the POV from the ship..but the motions are all shaky and traversing vast spacial distances in a manner the Apollo vehicle could'nt do..

Originally posted by wildone106
its a ridiculously bad hoax, the way the camera is moving is supposed to be the POV from the ship..but the motions are all shaky and traversing vast spacial distances in a manner the Apollo vehicle could'nt do..

So is it safe to say that this thread should have the hoax label put on it? I don't know how that is decided.....

I still want to know what John thinks of the video....

UPDATE: ALIEN SPACESHIP'S COORDINATES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOON
I've done a mistake in providing the Moon region coordinates of the cigar-shaped object: according to the dialogues between the Apollo 20 crew from the LM-15 and the Vandenberg AFB, the exact coordinates of the presumed alien spaceship on the backside of the Moon are the following: Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E ; Cockpit: 17.25 deg S, 117.62 deg E; see the subtitles of the "ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20", video footage posted on YouTube on May 4, 2007, by William Rutledge (user name: retiredafb).

Rutledge says the craft was southwest of Delporte, north of Izsak at Izsak D. My farside charts are not detailed enough to show Izsak D but I put a blue circle where its approximate position would be. The top arrow points to Delporte, the bottom arrow to Izsak. I labeled the lat/long parallels and meridians.

Rutledge has an interesting story. I wonder if there is any truth to it. Many stories like this contain information that is true and information that is false. The mind boggles at the possibilities.

Wow! That first part showing the launch pad, really blew any type of credibility this guy might have gotten.

www.youtube.com...


Oh goodness me

An interesting thing.

Check out these moon atlases.




www.lpi.usra.edu...

Look in the place that Lear suggests. Orient yourself to center the big black crater on the back side.

Go left to Iszak. Go up.

There are various human drawn lines on the map. There is a brown trapezoid.

To the west of the large area marked "FERMI" and to the north of Iszak, there is an apparently pen-marked "splotch", just inside the border of the trapezoid. Just about at the position suggested. No annotation. Everything else pen marked seems to have a reasonable explanation---outlining the orbit and apparent region of corresponding to the photographic series.

This is a careful official map I believe. Is this unmarked pen splot just a mistake?

I saw two others:

There is a magenta dot inside the crater/sea "HUMBOLDT", about 25S, 80E.

There is a red dot in the crater marked "Pirquet", about 20S, 138E.

www.youtube.com...

On this video from "retiredafb", the caption at 4:21 says

"Vandenberg Twenty, nose is one seven point three South
one one seven point six two East"

at 4:26

"cockpit is one seven point two five South
one one seven point six two East"

at 4:37

"the base is one seven point two zero South
one one seven point six two East
and the base is burried"

Those coords are close to, but not exactly at the brown splotch.

Originally posted by curiousbeliever

Go to www.lpi.usra.edu...
Click Resources
Go to Lunar Atlases, half way down
Click Apollo Image Atlas
Click Search By Feature Name
Type in Izsak, then Submit Query
Scroll down to bottom and look under Izsak, North of
Click on AS-15-P-9625
Right click to save picture
Go back to the resources screen
Click Lunar Map catalog
Click Apollo Mission Lunar Photo Index Maps
Go down to Apollo 17, Click
Go to Map with REV 26/27,36,62,65, Click
Download 150dpi resolution Map noticing the big black crater
save picture
zoom in on black crater till its the size of a golf ball
look to left above Izsak notice something
look to right of of black crater by Pirquet, notice something

curiousbeliever! Wow! I don't have time to do all this! Can you just post the pics of the areas surrounding those craters? That'll save us a lot of time and effort!

And needless to say the beer's on the house! Thanks and Cheers!

Here is the chart that mbkennel was talking about. The trapezoid outlines are the perimeter of the photos taken. The 2170 refers to the negative number. The color of the trapezoid denotes the mission or spacecraft that took the photo. I believe that the crosses are the path of the camera/spacecraft and I think REV 62 means the photo was taken on revolution 62. Probably a Lunar Orbiter:

Originally posted by mikesingh

curiousbeliever! Wow!

I don't have time to do all this! Can you just post the pics of the areas surrounding those craters? That'll save us a lot of time and effort!

And needless to say the beer's on the house! Thanks and Cheers!

Here's the panorama photo from Apollo 17 which supposedly was taken in preparation for a landing site to be used later in Apollo 20:

www.lpi.usra.edu...

You can see an object directly to the right of the two big craters in the middle of the photo. It looks very similar to the spaceship in the video that retiredafb posted, just at a lower resolution. Not too hard to see.

As for the topographic map, John posted a nice picture of it with the brown tic mark in the thread above. Thanks John!

I'm thinking the brown tic mark could possibly be some sort of marker for taking a panorama shot of the spaceship...

[edit on 26-6-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Thanks for pointing out the Apollo images from the LPI. This proves that the "Apollo 20" video is a fake.



As you can see, the image swath is across track, not along track. The fake video travels right down a doctored version of this image.

Case closed.

Originally posted by curiousbeliever
Here's the panorama photo from Apollo 17 which supposedly was taken in preparation for a landing site to be used later in Apollo 20:

www.lpi.usra.edu...

Thanks!

I was looking at the image with a tooth comb and discovered some very strange features / objects near the purported alien craft. I've marked them in white. Look carefully. You may see what I'm seeing!



Particularly interesting is the object towards the lower left which I've marked in red. Looks like a friggin' swept wing aircraft!

Never a dull moment, what?

Cheers!

Hi olegkvasha

I understand from your post that you are in communication with Retiredafb/William Rutledge. I would respectfully suggest that in the best interest of everyone participating in this tread you would share with us some of the information that Mr. Rutledge is providing you with (of course with his authorization). This would be of great importance in trying of proving/disproving his story.

Something leads me to believe that he is genuine. But then again I might be wrong.

Thanks in advance

Camillo

To John Lear: Thanks John for taking the time to participate in this thread, I appreciate it very much.

Has anyone done a search on William Rutledge ?

I just did. Seems they're all dead except This William Rutledge :

William L. Rutledge is executive vice president in charge of the Bank Supervision Group at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and a member of the Bank’s Management Committee.

No mention of any time working for NASA.

And This guy.

Look closely at the link to his site.

You, our dear readers decide.

Regards,
Lex

Originally posted by disownedsky
Thanks for pointing out the Apollo images from the LPI. This proves that the "Apollo 20" video is a fake.



As you can see, the image swath is across track, not along track. The fake video travels right down a doctored version of this image.

Case closed.

I dont' understand. The image maps showed that 9625 (Apollo 17 panoramic still) was taken right where everybody says it was taken.

Can you elaborate further?

On the Clementine Lunar browser

www.nrl.navy.mil...

The closest coordinates to the 'thing' as seen in the -9625 Apollo panoramic pictures are:

-18 d 47 m
+117 d 25m.

Click on Tool Panels, then "coordinates", enter those in and hit "show center".

Tilt your head (Orient your view) to make the Apollo 17 panoramic go from lower left to upper right, and center at the two "overlapping" craters.

On the Apollo pictures there are two smaller craters to the upper right and directly to the right of the two big overlapping ones. The "wiener" is in the crater to the immediate right, not the upper right.

No weiner in the Clementine photo. Maybe even no crater?


[edit on 26-6-2007 by mbkennel]

More interesting. Go to the old version of the Clementine browser.

Put in -18 lat, -117 longitude for the center. Now find the double (overlapping) craters on the big picture.

Now try to zoom in and get "original images".

The image which would correspond to being "right on" the wiener is

Image lua1486h.257 (look in bold) at the top of the screen.

Uniquely among its neighbors, it says "This Image is unavailable".
Clicking one image south gives lua1453h.257. One image west from
the unavailable image is lua2735h.125

One image south west is lua2704h.125
One image north is lua1532h.257

Who knows what darkness lies in the hearts of little bitty computers? Only the shadow knows!

Maybe it's the secret Oscar Meyer factory? They plump when you cook em in 1/6 g!

Hi everyone!

"I just did. Seems they're all dead except This William Rutledge"- Lexion

Do you really think that your search for Rutledledge is grounded enough to be a qualified search?

I can sincerely think of not just houndreds if not more people that have the same exact name as I (first, middle and last name). That is proof of nothing. I would respectfully suggest that for the sake of everyone on this thread that you give us more solid evidence to disproove Rutledge story.

Please understand that I`m not saying that he is genuine, or that he is not, I just want to give this discussion the level that the discussion deserves

Thanks in advance

Camillo