The Pope is a Fake

Just tell me why popes have had kids - doesn't the "discipline" extend as far as them?

And I wonder how many have been covered up.

And how many cardinals, bishops priests etc have had kids over the years?

Hypocrites all.

FF you can bleat and try and change the topic as much as you like - have you answered the question?
Also, if I remember rightly. you proved my point yourself in a previous thread.

originally posted by FlyersFan
FACT - most everything that the OP singled out Catholicism for is done by most of the major religions in the world.

You have just proved my theory

The fact that I picked catholocism is (as previously explained) because I was raised as one.
Didn't say that any other religion was different - just highlighted 2 of them to draw parallels.

No

Would also like to hear about examples of hypocrisy in other religions or denominations.
RCC kind of sets itself up as an easy target because of the celibacy thing, but I'd really like to hear about any example of this kind of "do as I say, not as I do".

[edit on 23/6/2007 by budski]

Originally posted by budski
Just tell me why popes have had kids -

AGAIN you didn't read the post. I already answered that.
People sin. Popes are people. Popes sin.

FF you can bleat and try and change the topic as much as you like

ANSWERING your 'question' is changing the topic??
WRONG. OH .. and you were on ATS a total of 3 minutes when you posted this response. Obviously, once again, you DID NOT READ THE POST.

have you answered the question?

Fully answered your 'question' (biased accusation). But you didn't bother
to read the post or the links AGAIN. Otherwise you would have known that.

Originally posted by budski
Would also like to hear about examples of hypocrisy in other religions or denominations.

Nice attempt to try to cover your bias. However, the TOPIC of this thread, and the entire first page of this thread, are anti-Catholic and on THE POPE.

:shk:

Edited to answer budski's edit -

Originally posted by budski
you proved my point yourself in a previous thread.

No. Your 'points' were totally destroyed. TOTALLY. Every last stinking accusation. (and I do mean 'stinking'). If you see anything different - then you are in denial.




[edit on 6/23/2007 by FlyersFan]

yawn

www.theharrowing.com...

www.theharrowing.com...

www.libchrist.com...

OK, if you want to stick to catholocism, we will.



[edit on 23/6/2007 by budski]

Originally posted by budski
yawn

10 minutes later ... you still have not taken the time to read the links provided. You took the time to nap (yawn) .. and to dig up liberal anti-Catholic trash ... but you still have not read the links or acknowledged that the answer to your 'question' has been provided.

Predictable.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by budski
yawn

10 minutes later ... you still have not taken the time to read the links provided. You took the time to nap (yawn) .. and to dig up liberal anti-Catholic trash ... but you still have not read the links or acknowledged that the answer to your 'question' has been provided.

Predictable.

Answered the question?
"people sin" is your answer?

I've read the links - RCC propaganda, nothing more

[edit on 23/6/2007 by budski]

The whole ROMAN Catholicism is a fraud. The religion is being used to control people. In reality The Vatican is a political body, with a lust for power and money.

Jesus repeatedly warned of the "wolves in sheeps clothing", the political and religious authorities who were a fraud. The whole Bible is really warning mankind of a conspiracy by the few to control the many.

The Vatican has alot more power in the world today than most people realise. Through the Vaticans SMOM they control much of the worlds power. The SMOM control the worlds banking (Rothschilds etc), intelligence agencies (MI6, CIA etc), medical cartel (Rockefellar, also SMOM Papal Knights), media (eg, Murdoch, SMOM Papal Knight)

This clip gives only a very brief outline of what the Vatican is really about
video.google.com...

Wow, that clips quite extreme - carefull now - you'll have them shouting "heretic" and wanting you burned at the stake.


[edit on 23/6/2007 by budski]

The pope's a rich and powerful figure.

Nobody wants to believe it but it's true.

Sometimes i think the pope has more power and influence over man than God, It seems like people worship him.

Originally posted by zstar
The pope's a rich and powerful figure.

Nobody wants to believe it but it's true.

Sometimes i think the pope has more power and influence over man than God, It seems like people worship him.

And as inferred in the OP, the pope is just a man - he has no more right to tell us how to live our lives than you or I.

RCC is, perhaps, one of the richest and most influential organisations in the world - they could do so much good but prefer to stick to old, out moded theories.

Think how many lives could be saved in africa if they would allow the use of condoms
www.cathnews.com...

www.guardian.co.uk...

But I bet that those priests having affairs with members of their community have no problem using them - in order to cover their tracks.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds in RCC

Originally posted by budski
you'll have them shouting "heretic"

[edit on 23/6/2007 by budski]

To the church leaders during WW2, the Serbs were heretics.

"Without Vatican and intelligence agency intervention, there's no question:
the Ustase would have ceased to exist," says Attorney Jonathan Levy. Levy
has been instrumental in fighting bureaucratic red tape to find out the
truth about the Ustase's survival, through multiple Freedom of Information
Act requests and lawsuits against the Army, the CIA and the Vatican Bank,
which is alleged to be responsible for the laundering of millions of dollars
worth of gold looted from Ustase victims.

www.prweb.com...

www.vaticanbankclaims.com...

Copy of Declassified CIA Report on Ustasha mass murderer
hiding in safe-house provided by Franciscan Order in Rome
www.vaticanbankclaims.com...

The German-Vatican concordat of 1933 was effectively a Nazi Germany-Vatican alliance. Before Hitler took power Germany had twice refused a concordat with the Vatican. The signing of the Concordat ended much resistance to Hitler.

en.wikipedia.org...

"Nor were Catholics discouraged publicly or privately from serving in Hitler's administration. The sad truth is that German Catholic bishops actually did forbid the faithful from joining the Nazi party. But that was before Hitler came to power. Once the Nazis came into power and Hitler was in a position to actually enact his diabolical schemes, the Catholic hierarchy reversed itself and lifted that ban."

www.catholicarrogance.org...

Walter Shellenberg, Chief of the Nazi Sicherheitsdienst (SD) revealed:
-The SS had been organized by Himmler according to the principles
of the Jesuit Order. The rules of service and spiritual exercises
prescribed by Ignatius de Loyola constituted a model which Hitler
strove carefully to copy.
Edmund Paris asked this most penetrating
question concerning Himmler: Was it not his uncle, the Jesuit father,
who had been promoted to a high-ranking officer of the SS And was
not the latter the very eye and arm of Halke von Ledochowski, General
of the Order Who then was sending so many million deportees to death?
Was it Heinrich Himmler or his uncle, the Jesuit canon. The most disturbing
charge is that, to populate the new Israel, the Jesuits stirred up
the pogroms and Holocaust of Europe to drive Jews to their safe haven
in the Middle East. On page 548 we read: "Hitler, now in power, patterned
his SS after the Jesuit Order. He used Roman Catholic Bavarian Himmler
with his Jesuit uncle to carry out the plan. Hitler declares: I have
learnt most of all from the Jesuit Order. A good part of that organization
I have transported direct to my own party. I will tell you a secret,
I am founding an Order. In Himmler I see our Ignatius de Loyola (Jesuit co-founder).

The catholic Nazi and SMOM Papal Knight, Von Papen, one of Hitler's
diplomats, boasted to the world, "the third Reich is the first power,
which not only recognizes, but puts into practice, the high principles
of the papacy."

www.fantompowa.net...

Picture of head of the ROMAN Catholic Church, Pope John Paul II beatifying a mass murderer
www.reformation.org...

www.reformation.org...

alamoministries.com...

Stepinac met Ante Pavelic to give the Ustashi regime his personal endorsement. Stepinac also broadcast his support for the NDH in a radio address to the Croatian people, all of which occured before the Royal Yugoslav Army capitulated. Informed by letter by Bishop Alojzije Misic of Mostar of the ghastly massacres undertaken by the Ustashi against local Serbs and Jews, but Stepinac merely passed on the letter to Pavelic. Stepinac vigorously defended the Ustashi to Pope Pius XII and the Vatican secretary of state during visits in 1942 and 1943. Catholic newspapers during the war kept to official guidelines and published appalling attacks on Jews and Serbs and praised the Ustashi. As head of the Croatian Catholic Church Stepinac was in charge of the forced mass conversion of Serbs to Catholicism and the adoption of Serb children orphaned by the Ustashi massacres.

15 April, Pavelic fled overland to Austria, and then on to Rome.
On 12 September 1947 the American Counterintelligence Corps office in Roman reports that "Pavelic's contacts are so high, and his present position is so compromising to the Vatican, that any extradition of Subject would deal a staggering blow to the Roman Catholic Church."

In this clip you will see the nazi war criminal Stepinac "blessing" the Ustashi murderers. Ante Pavelic was the ROMAN Catholic dictator, who had strong links to Hitler, Stepinac and the Vatican. After Pavelic fled Croatia he hid in the Vatican.

video.google.com...

Originally posted by budski

What I'd really like to know is if anyone can name a faith that doesn't have hypocrites in its ranks?

Ooh...Me...me!
Right here!

The clip was interesting, if a little sensational in it's approach.
Had kind of heard about this before and read some of the more shameful acts of RCC - still can we really expect anything else from such a morally corrupt organisation?
Not saying that all of RCC followers are morally corrupt, but some of the church leaders are

I'll be rude for a second, so don't mind my cursing.

Popes, Churches, and the Bible.. it's all man made bs.
Yes, God exsists, and I'm sure he DID have a son named Jesus.
But this whole deal, with all these different religions, and all these churches trying to come up with different stories, and then changing it later.
It's all bs in order to perform crowd control.
It has been since the start, and still is.
We'bve got popes #in little boys, preachers on tv lying to get your money.. because we ALL know if you send in a few thousand dollars, God himself will cure you of everything.. what bull#.

I do believe in God, and I do believe one day, things will be made right with him...but until then, don't believe everything you hear.

Originally posted by MichaelMyers
I'll be rude for a second, so don't mind my cursing.

Popes, Churches, and the Bible.. it's all man made bs.
Yes, God exsists, and I'm sure he DID have a son named Jesus.
But this whole deal, with all these different religions, and all these churches trying to come up with different stories, and then changing it later.
It's all bs in order to perform crowd control.
It has been since the start, and still is.
We'bve got popes #in little boys, preachers on tv lying to get your money.. because we ALL know if you send in a few thousand dollars, God himself will cure you of everything.. what bull#.

I do believe in God, and I do believe one day, things will be made right with him...but until then, don't believe everything you hear.

I always amazes me how people are so easily taken in by the hypocrisy of the religous preacher, and the political leaders.
I did see the "GOD"channel on tv a few times, some years back, does that station still exist. I was amused greatly by it, the Benny Hinn ministeries. I thought it was all a hoax at first, some sort of a joke or a spoof, the guys doing the preaching were so obviously total slimebags, I was fascinated by it for an hour or so, until my amusement turned to stomach-churning disgust. I couldn't believe how gullible people are to be taken in by see-through creeps like Benny Hinn. I recall laughing my ass off at a particular a-hole who was preaching to a crowd of bible-thumpers, I still remember what the guy was saying. He was using the stage to answer back to some critics who had obviously said he was a hypocrite becuase of how much money he was making and apparently he was after purchasing his own private jet. On the stage he told th listeners of a dream he had, his words went something like this:-
"last night when talking to God, I said to him, God I have my own private Jet, maybe I shouldn't have bought it and could have used that money for some other purpose. But God said to me, I hope you like that jet, I want you to have it so you can spread my word faster"

The speech continued in a similar fashion. I still recall laughing so much at the guy, but I really was totally baffled as to how the guy pulled it off. As he was telling his story the crowd were shouting and cheering and clapping for him as he told them how he was talking to God. How those people couldn't see that the guy on stage was a total phoney, like some sort of spoof charachter from a bad B movie is beyond me.

What amazes me most of all about it is this. If the people who attend these Bible-preaching sessions and really are religous, then presumably they will have actually read the Bible at least once themselves, right, that is a fair assumption, is it not??? Well anyone who has read the Bible will know that Jesus spent much of his time warning us of the "wolves in sheeps clothing" who were frauds, he was basically warning us of the preachers, the religous leaders and the politicains. So if these people actually do believe in the Word of God and do believe in the Bible and in Jesus, then why are they so quick to follow organised religions, when jesus was warning us not to trust any of the organised religous leaders. If you read and believe in the Bible then you don't need any middlemen to read the word of God, you have everything you need!

I am always interested in the Bible itself, the book was obviously put together by men, so how much of it was manipulated by the men doing the editing???

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[edit on 23-6-2007 by golddragnet]

Don't worry about what happened in the "dim darks", worry about what happens now.

A lot of people don't know but the Catholic inquisition still exists - it now goes by another name. And what do you reckon was the role of the current pope before we was voted head honcho. Yep, he was the big cohuna of the inquisition.

Originally posted by hippichick
Don't worry about what happened in the "dim darks", worry about what happens now.

A lot of people don't know but the Catholic inquisition still exists - it now goes by another name. And what do you reckon was the role of the current pope before we was voted head honcho. Yep, he was the big cohuna of the inquisition.

Interesting idea - can you provide any sources/links to back this up?

The list made by the original poster stops in the 1500's, so the Popes have managed to keep it in their pants for the past 500 years. That's not a bad record.

Up until the past couple of hundred years, the Papacy has been a quite political role, and has attracted power seekers, rather than purely "Holy Men". So, sure, alot of the men in the higher ranks were not always Pure of Heart.

As for the Celibacy/Pedophile thing, you tell these guys "No Love and Affection For You.", and then put them in charge of masses of children in a school. The human body does what it is built to do, no matter what the Mind says. It naturally attaches the idea of Sex to something. It searches for closeness. Whatever is available. Whatever is being observed day to day.

Originally posted by emjoi
The list made by the original poster stops in the 1500's, so the Popes have managed to keep it in their pants for the past 500 years. That's not a bad record.

Either that or they managed to cover it up more effectively

Originally posted by emjoi
The list made by the original poster stops in the 1500's, so the Popes have managed to keep it in their pants for the past 500 years. That's not a bad record.

Up until the past couple of hundred years, the Papacy has been a quite political role, and has attracted power seekers, rather than purely "Holy Men". So, sure, alot of the men in the higher ranks were not always Pure of Heart.

As for the Celibacy/Pedophile thing, you tell these guys "No Love and Affection For You.", and then put them in charge of masses of children in a school. The human body does what it is built to do, no matter what the Mind says. It naturally attaches the idea of Sex to something. It searches for closeness. Whatever is available. Whatever is being observed day to day.

You sound like you are saying it is okay for them to rape little kids cuz "It searches for cloesness. Whatever is available. Whatever is being observed day to day". I bet you would think differently if it happened to you or one of your family.