Terrorism in England - a new threat

Being a resident of Cornwall, it was disturbing to read of a Cornish terrorist group threatening well known people in the county

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.telegraph.co.uk.../portal/2007/06/15/nosplit/ftcornwall115.xml

Living as I have in the county for many years, on and off, I have long been aware that the Cornish regard themselves as a separate ethnic group - related closely to the Welsh and Breton ethnic groups.

I have also been aware of the many problems that face the indigenous people of the "county" and the problems mass tourism has brought, along with the many benefits.

Doing some research, I came across an interesting argument, which could have legal repercussions should it be debated in parliament.

Cornwall is also known as The Duchy Of Cornwall rather than a county and as such, Cornish independence movements say, should be treated differently than a county.
Cornwall has a long history of completely separate language, culture, folklore and has it's own parliament (much like the Isle of Man) although UK parliament refuses to recognise it. As a duchy, it was also never incorporated into GB/UK through an Act of Union

n the United Kingdom:

* Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542, passed by the Parliament of England, annexing Wales to the Kingdom of England are sometimes known as the "Acts of Union".
* Acts of Union 1707, passed by both the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Scotland to form the Kingdom of Great Britain.
* Act of Union 1800, passed by both the Parliament of Great Britain and the Parliament of Ireland to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
* Act of Union 1840, passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom, joining Upper Canada and Lower Canada (to form the Province of Canada).
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I would never advocate violence to resolve anything, but the fact is, that the Cornish have a point, same as the Scots, Welsh and Irish.

Self determination is something that the UK went to war to defend in the Falklands, yet they ignore this when it comes to territories they want to hang on to.

[edit on 19/6/2007 by budski]

Neither the Scots nor the Welsh have a case. Ireland yes but only because of Geography.

Its truly pathetic.

I give these bigots no credibility - they don't deserve it!

Originally posted by phoenix103
Neither the Scots nor the Welsh have a case. Ireland yes but only because of Geography.

Its truly pathetic.

I give these bigots no credibility - they don't deserve it!

So despite having a separate culture, language and national identity, and the fact that they were brought into the union against their will they have no case? This as well as them being separate countries who have been demanding their freedom for centuries?

You sir, have no concept have the meaning of freedom, civil rights or self determination.

Originally posted by budski
You sir, have no concept have the meaning of freedom, civil rights or self determination.

do you have any idea how big Cornwall is? its like a stretch of the UK 80 mies across you might as well turn all the different counties into countries while you're at it...

Originally posted by phoenix103
Neither the Scots nor the Welsh have a case. Ireland yes but only because of Geography.

Its truly pathetic.

I give these bigots no credibility - they don't deserve it!

The only thing both pathetic and bigoted here is you my friend.

The Cornish people imo do not have a chance at separating.. and I have heard very rarely of any Cornish people that would want to except the die hard nationalist..

Cornish terrorism is very much likely isolated to one extremist group, their heart may be in the right place.. but terrorist actions or any form of violence would be horrific and work against their cause anyways.. I wouldn't expect many Cornish people to support them either..

To say Ireland has a case just because its not connected is missing the point.. why doesn't Ireland want to be apart of the UK (southern Ie)? Because the culture is different, the history is different, and a long standing feud between the two ethnic groups.....

Not because they are on another island, though Érin's culture extends throughout the entire island. the Welsh, Scots and Cornish are the same way.. how ever why separate? What would Whales and Cornwall be if not in the Union? They benefit big time from the union, and that is why they stay in. Ireland is for the most part self sustaining, especially in the EU.

If this Cornish group really wanted to preserve Cornwall they could work to preserve culture and heritage .. not kill people.

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by budski
You sir, have no concept have the meaning of freedom, civil rights or self determination.

do you have any idea how big Cornwall is? its like a stretch of the UK 80 mies across

you might as well turn all the different counties into countries while you're at it...

Thats the whole point - cornwall is a duchy, not a county - and has been historically seen as a separate country in many ways.

BTW if you read the original post, you'ss see I live in cornwall

Rockpuck
They don't want independance as such - they still want to stay as part of the union, but they want their own autonomy within the union.

[edit on 21/6/2007 by budski]

I lived in Cornwall for 28 years, and aside from seeing "Free Kernow!" scrawled on a few walls here and there, have never heard any call for Cornish independence. I have also never heard anyone speak Cornish, never heard of a Cornish parliament, and never heard of this "terrorist" group. Furthermore, Cornwall is indeed a county, just like any other in the UK, which is why the Cornwall County Council is so named.

I know first hand that jobs in the area are hard to come by unless you happen to work in the catering trade, or the health service. This is due to the vast amounts of tourism to the area, and retired folk who choose to make the place their home. The tin mining is dead, and the fishing and agriculture industries in the area are fast going the same way. Just what sort of an economy would an independent Cornwall hope to have?

Don't get me wrong, I dearly love the place, and miss it very much, but having said that, this is one of the most ridiculous stories I have seen here at ATS, and there's a lot to choose from.

Originally posted by Implosion
I lived in Cornwall for 28 years, and aside from seeing "Free Kernow!" scrawled on a few walls here and there, have never heard any call for Cornish independence. I have also never heard anyone speak Cornish, never heard of a Cornish parliament, and never heard of this "terrorist" group. Furthermore, Cornwall is indeed a county, just like any other in the UK, which is why the Cornwall County Council is so named.

I know first hand that jobs in the area are hard to come by unless you happen to work in the catering trade, or the health service. This is due to the vast amounts of tourism to the area, and retired folk who choose to make the place their home. The tin mining is dead, and the fishing and agriculture industries in the area are fast going the same way. Just what sort of an economy would an independent Cornwall hope to have?

Don't get me wrong, I dearly love the place, and miss it very much, but having said that, this is one of the most ridiculous stories I have seen here at ATS, and there's a lot to choose from.

Well, if you've never heard of any of those things, why not do a bit of research, know something about it, and then discuss it.

Cornwall is actually "The Duchy of Cornwall" and is owned and administered in some respects by "Prince Charles's Estate"

Historically cornwall was always viewed as a separate country

You can find all the info you need in the OP

Why not have a look, and then come back and discuss the pro's and cons?



BTW, where in cornwall did you live?

[edit on 21/6/2007 by budski]

I don't live there any more, hence the reason I said I miss it, but I was born in Treliske hospital, and I lived in Truro. I know Cornwall is called a duchy, but it is politically meaningless, as it is administered just like any other county in England. It's is a duchy in that it has a duke. Prince Charles, the duke of Cornwall; it has no political meaning, it's just a fancy name used so people like you can feel special for living there, maybe to make up for the fact it is the poorest region in the UK? I don't know.

I would have thought not hearing about any of the institutions, or culture you describe despite living in the area for as I say, 28 years, says plenty about how much influence they have.

As for discussing the "pro's and cons", we may as well discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It's a romantic notion that will never see the light of day, and as I said before, completely laughable.

If you're asking about the "pro's and cons" of achieving these goals through terrorism, I would have to say that anyone who would engage in such activity is beneath contempt.

[edit on 21/6/07 by Implosion]

Edited: Per Author's request.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by UM_Gazz]

Originally posted by budski
Self determination is something that the UK went to war to defend in the Falklands,

The only thing that they went to war to defend was Maggies sinking public approval.
You spread opinion as if its fact...You should look a bit deeper.

Originally posted by Implosion
I don't live there any more, hence the reason I said I miss it, but I was born in Treliske hospital, and I lived in Truro. I know Cornwall is called a duchy, but it is politically meaningless, as it is administered just like any other county in Cornwall. It's is a duchy in that it has a duke. Prince Charles, the duke of Cornwall; it has no political meaning, it's just a fancy name used so people like you can feel special for living there, maybe to make up for the fact it is the poorest region in the UK? I don't know.

I would have thought not hearing about any of the institutions, or culture you describe despite living in the area for as I say, 28 years, says plenty about how much influence they have.

As for discussing the "pro's and cons", we may as well discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It's a romantic notion that will never see the light of day, and as I said before, completely laughable.

If you're asking about the "pro's and cons" of achieving these goals through terrorism, I would have to say that anyone who would engage in such activity is beneath contempt.

[edit on 21/6/07 by Implosion]

Did I say the pros/cons of terrorism? No

As for hearing about the institutions - like I said, try reading the articles posted.
en.wikipedia.org...

I'll even put another one there for you

[edit on 22/6/2007 by budski]

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by budski
Self determination is something that the UK went to war to defend in the Falklands,

The only thing that they went to war to defend was Maggies sinking public approval.
You spread opinion as if its fact...You should look a bit deeper.

And yet you do the same?

I already have a thread about thatcher and her motivations for the falklands - perhaps you should heed your own advice.

Have a look at some of cornwalls claims - hell, you can even go the easy route and just google it

en.wikipedia.org...

Even wiki will give you some decent info.

I'm not saying the claims are valid - merely that they have a point.

Huh? It's fact that Maggs started the Falkland war for her own benefit. Sry if that doesn't agree with wikipedia... Like I said, look deeper.

Sry for being off topic but history is continually re-written and full of lies, because myths get spread as fact and the real dirty truth dismissed.

Originally posted by ANOK
Huh? It's fact that Maggs started the Falkland war for her own benefit. Sry if that doesn't agree with wikipedia...

Like I said, look deeper.

Sry for being off topic but history is continually re-written and full of lies, because myths get spread as fact and the real dirty truth dismissed.

Like I said - I've already got a thread about maggie here
www.abovepolitics.com...

The wiki page is about cornwall
en.wikipedia.org...

Please have a read - just basic stuff, but it covers most of the claim.

Cornish Police have asked the public to be on the alert for possible IEP's...

...Improvised Explosive Pasties!

Originally posted by phoenix103
Neither the Scots nor the Welsh have a case. Ireland yes but only because of Geography.

Excuse me but yes we do we have an identity that traces itself back through time that isn`t English, we have our own languauge and culture that isn`t found in England, and so do the English.

Frankly we prefer not to be assosciated with England, but unfortunatly we have to be joined as one.There is a difference ask any Welshman goin to England the jokes insults sheep references etc etc.

Geography Dosn`t make a Country.Cornwall,Wales,Scotland don`t have to be English becuse there joined anymore than England should be Welsh or Scottish.







[edit on 22-6-2007 by nescafe8572]

I say if they want the attention as terrorists, treat them as such.

Then we'll see how serious they are to carry on with thier little country gang.

CX.

Originally posted by CX
I say if they want the attention as terrorists, treat them as such.

Then we'll see how serious they are to carry on with thier little country gang.

CX.

Indeed - these are extremists

But what about the legitimate people like mebyon kernow?
And the celtic league?

Originally posted by budski

Originally posted by CX
I say if they want the attention as terrorists, treat them as such.

Then we'll see how serious they are to carry on with thier little country gang.

CX.

Indeed - these are extremists

But what about the legitimate people like mebyon kernow?
And the celtic league?

And also, the 55% of people who voted in an opinion pole for a "free" cornwall, not to mention the fact that Cornish is now a write in option when filling out the census forms.

Quite funny was the story in the news last week about how this shady group had accidently burnt down a warehouse whilst "practising" their fire-bomb making - the culprits issued an apology for "any inconvenience caused"
Pretty polite considering what they were up to.

For the real truth about Prince Charles as sovereign of Cornwall check out this new site that exposes him once and for all as the scrounger he truly is.
duchyofcornwall.eu -