Muslims Won't Fund Footbaths Leaders Cite ACLU's Decision Not To Oppose Use Of Public Money

Originally posted by bodrul

ok in the UK your not allowed to carry bottles in the street open or seald
and almost all cabs can deny them.

I'm sorry to have to say this, but thats simply not true at all.

I have no idea where you got that information from.

Originally posted by neformore
As such the article referred to about the postion of toilets for prayer times is most likely total and utter BS, because any self-respecting Muslim isn't going to be praying on the toilet.

I can't believe I'm havign to post this link but hey - its all about ignorance denial;

Yes it is and once again it appears to be your ignorance. Had you read the sourced/linked articles propperly you could have seen it was not about praying on the toilets it was about which direction they faced while on the toilet.

The Islamic religion prohibits Muslims from facing or turning their backs on the Kiblah — the direction of prayer — when they visit the lav.

Sopurce

Ignorance is denied.

Its probably one of the things that people differ with in islam, Im muslim and Ive never heard about this toilet thing? anyway, shots why are you still finding articles and news about how bad muslims are ALL the time. Its pretty anoying.

[edit on 19-6-2007 by _Phoenix_]

Where have I said all muslims are bad? I haven't I have just pointed out a few demand the fanatics are making that in no way implies I am saying they are all bad.

Originally posted by neformore

I'm sorry to have to say this, but thats simply not true at all.

I have no idea where you got that information from.

going out and being told that its against the law to carry bottles outside by pubs and clubs

Originally posted by shots
Where have I said all muslims are bad? I haven't I have just pointed out a few demand the fanatics are making that in no way implies I am saying they are all bad.

demands? please tell me how you are making request into demands
and why you still class very religous muslims as fanatics even so i have explained that to you.

you have a serious Islamophobic issue

Originally posted by bodrul
going out and being told that its against the law to carry bottles outside by pubs and clubs

Thats the drinking laws though Bodrul, you aren't permitted in most town centres to drink alchohol because of local byelaws designed to deal with with binge drinking. Its also conditional on most pubs licences these days that they don't allow glassware to be taken outside to prevent its....how shall I put it....?... misuse.

Its still legal to purchase and carry glass bottles though

Originally posted by shots
Yes it is and once again it appears to be your ignorance. Had you read the sourced/linked articles propperly you could have seen it was not about praying on the toilets it was about which direction they faced while on the toilet.

I bow to your superior ignorance.

What you forgot to point out was that the refurbishment was being carried out anyway

Jail Toilets Face away from Mecca

The refurbishment has been carried out with due consideration for all faiths", a Home Office spokeswoman said.

"Following consultation with faith leaders within the prison, various small adjustments were made to ensure the faith issues of all prisoners are taken into account."

Thats not exactly "insistence" or "demanding" is it?

So what was your point about it again?

Originally posted by neformore


What you forgot to point out was that the refurbishment was being carried out anyway

It was not relevant. You said they did it because of prayer and it is clear by what it says it was not done for prayers it has to do with using the facilities and the direction the face nothing more.

Originally posted by shots
It was not relevant. You said they did it because of prayer and it is clear by what it says it was not done for prayers it has to do with using the facilities and the direction the face nothing more.

Then why bring the issue of the toilet placement up in the first place?

After all, you raised it saying

See it sounds funny yet it is true they are pushing more and more each day to get the world to change to their ways and that scares me.

But it wasn't pushed at all....

Originally posted by bodrul

demands? please tell me how you are making request into demands
and why you still class very religous muslims as fanatics even so i have explained that to you.

You call it a request yet when I hear people refusing service that too me is demanding they use other cabs. I do agree though some are requests while others are demands as is the case with cab drivers.


As for the class part it is very simple, just look at the groups making the requests and demands, you will find they are alleged to be aligned with the absolute minority which are associated with the muslim brtherhood/ better known in this day and age as al queida or Wahhabi movement. in many areas.

Originally posted by shots
It was not relevant. You said they did it because of prayer and it is clear by what it says it was not done for prayers it has to do with using the facilities and the direction the face nothing more.

but it is relevant you seem to be taking news and other things and ignoring the relevant information to push your agenda accross
if the place was not being referbished and was done because of one group you could have used it as a valid point. yet you chose to stay ignorant of relevant information provided

Originally posted by shots

You call it a request yet when I hear people refusing service that too me is demanding they use other cabs. I do agree though some are requests while others are demands as is the case with cab drivers.

please show me demands all you have shown were requests by muslims with you painting as demands. you have brought up new sources with each one being debunked by other members aswell.

you brought up a couple of people who refused service and blew that up.

seriosuly get off your high horse and look at the facts

Originally posted by shots
As for the class part it is very simple, just look at the groups making the requests and demands,

you will find they are alleged to be aligned with the absolute minority which are associated with the muslim brtherhood/ better known in this day and age as al queida or Wahhabi movement. in many areas.

so know all muslims who make requests for anything are alligned with terrorists

anymore drible you want to reply to me with.

Originally posted by neformore
Thats the drinking laws though Bodrul, you aren't permitted in most town centres to drink alchohol because of local byelaws designed to deal with with binge drinking. Its also conditional on most pubs licences these days that they don't allow glassware to be taken outside to prevent its....how shall I put it....?... misuse.

Its still legal to purchase and carry glass bottles though

they were none alchaholic drinks, J20 i dont drink,
i was told you cant carry glass bottles ect .

anyhow thanks for the info

Originally posted by neformore


Then why bring the issue of the toilet placement up in the first place?

After all, you raised it saying

Had you paid attetnion and seen where it came up first you would know that answer. So kindly do not ask me as you can go back and read what and where it was said.


[edit on 6/19/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by bodrul
anyhow thanks for the info

Your welcome

Loving the Alba btw

Shots, are these new installments to the restroom restricted only to Muslims, or will they be accessible to anyone?

If they were using public sinks, then I can't see how they would call for a private use for the foot baths..if so, well its wrong. If the sinks were good enough for their use then their footbaths can be utilized by anyone. I dont even think there should be a discussion about it on their part.

Originally posted by bodrul
you brought up a couple of people who refused service and blew that up.

seriosuly get off your high horse and look at the facts

It was not a few people and I did not blow it out of proportion.




In this case those are only the ones in the Twin Cities. The same thing happened in a few other cities in the US as well as in Canada and Australia.

Might I suggest in the future you look up the facts first before you assume.
things and accuse people of wrong doing where there has been none.






[edit on 6/19/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
In this case those are only the ones in the Twin Cities. The same thing happened in a few other cities in the US as well as in Canada and Australia.

intresting 5000 cases of people refusing to take people who could haveconsume alkahol

Originally posted by shots
Might I suggest in the future you look up the facts first before you assume.
things and accuse people of wrong doing where there has been none.

my bad i have done a shots and not read the source and blown my response for that issue into a larger one,

my appoligies for this error in judgment (but only for this) rest i still stand by as its just pure jokes and things taken out of contents by you

[edit on 19-6-2007 by bodrul]

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Shots, are these new installments to the restroom restricted only to Muslims, or will they be accessible to anyone?

The source article made no mention of that. My assumption is that others would not use them since there is no requirement for other faiths to wash their feet several times a day.

The main objection aas I saw it was the use of public funds however, CAIR turned it into a safety issue to get them although my assumption could well be wrong. I have no objection to them if the Muslims paid for them, yet there is also another point to make here and that is the fact that the ACLU wimped out rather then sue. Hell if it had been a Christian wanting a religious symbol on a public school desk they would sue immediately just for placing it on government/public owned property..