Video shows a THIRD person on the moon?

Originally posted by wildone106
So have you EVER heard of them doing a full scale mock up in the desert, complete with low gravity & lunar dust?

Yes but the low gravity stuff was done INDOORS Building 9 at the Manned Spacecraft Center perhaps?

If they did such a full scale mock up, it would be common knowledge no need for secrecy there.

Well what do you mean by "Common Knowledge?" From what I have seen common knowledge fits in with commom sense... everyone TALKS about it but few have it

If you mean did it make Fox News at 11:00? Then no, its not common knowledge... and back then NASA wasn't exactly an open book either.

But you are correct... no need for secrecy... none at all...

I wanna see documented evidence of your claim, or its complete drivel.

OY! Its always the same with you skeptics... to darn lazy to do any research even with a simple easy to use tool like google. All you want is someone else to do the leg work so you get to pick it apart....

Okay so you want proof? Well I got yer proof right here...
Aldrin and Armstrong diggin in the dirt...








Oh I suppose now I have to give you all the links as well huh?

Well later. Supper is on the table! Mull these two over for a while and we will continue later

So what? They're not allowed to practice before a mission now? I guess you're gonna say next that the giant water tank they use now to practice space walks is a conspiracy to hide something too?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
So what? They're not allowed to practice before a mission now? I guess you're gonna say next that the giant water tank they use now to practice space walks is a conspiracy to hide something too?

Nope I was responding to someone who wanted prove of training mockups... and after dinner I will do so


In case you were not aware, its hard to use footage from inside a water tank and pass it of as Lunar Surface shots

:shk:

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
Here. Try this:

Apollo 16 sans janitor

EVERYONE LOOKY AT THIS ONE!!

This is the video. I saw this earlier and it ended the mystery for me. The footage is longer, clearer, and lacks the space janitor.

Don't keep your minds so open that your brains fall out...

euucchhhk, I'm a cliche slinging douche

I know I may be hijacking this thread, but... oh well.

I've developed a theory about the moon landing.


NASA launched the astronauts into space to explore the moon.

One possibility is that, before NASA actually sent rockets to the moon, they gathered the astronauts into a studio and filmed the "moon landing" to be aired on television for public viewing.

The astronauts also brought cameras to the moon, to film the actual lunar landing to be evaluated by the government.

The faked lunar landing was aired at roughly the same time the astronauts made the landing, in order to fool the American public and the rest of the world that the moon landing we were seeing was being broadcast from space.

Just a thought...

TheRanchMan

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
Here. Try this:

Apollo 16 sans janitor

EVERYONE LOOKY AT THIS ONE!!

This is the video. I saw this earlier and it ended the mystery for me. The footage is longer, clearer, and lacks the space janitor.

If you'll notice, that video is also cropped. It doesn't show as much total area as the original with the "mystery" visitor. There's also a suspicious jump-cut right at the point where the 3rd guy steps in.

And look at the white card in the original video. It says something about "crop 4%".

Hmmmmm.

Originally posted by TheRanchMan
I know I may be hijacking this thread, but... oh well.

I've developed a theory about the moon landing.


NASA launched the astronauts into space to explore the moon.

One possibility is that, before NASA actually sent rockets to the moon, they gathered the astronauts into a studio and filmed the "moon landing" to be aired on television for public viewing.

The astronauts also brought cameras to the moon, to film the actual lunar landing to be evaluated by the government.

The faked lunar landing was aired at roughly the same time the astronauts made the landing, in order to fool the American public and the rest of the world that the moon landing we were seeing was being broadcast from space.

Just a thought...

TheRanchMan

I think this makes a lot of sense.

I do not doubt our ability to reach the moon.

I am almost 100% positive we have reached the moon and probably Mars and maybe Venus as well in manned spacecraft.

However, the public is not to know about certain black missions as the intel gathered would be mind-blowing.

Do you think the general public is ready to inhabit another sphere in this galaxy when we have thoroughly fracked up this one?

I'm not even sure we deserve to be using Earth as our dumping ground...in fact I'm sure we don't deserve it.

It is only be the grace of God we are still around.

FOX ran a "Did We Really Visit the Moon" propaganda special about four years ago.

I knew it was all a bunch of crap, but it made me question a few things.

Did NASA show actual footage of the landing or was it really a staged hollywood movie?

I don't think we can prove it either way.

The government will never tell.

"Government ties is really why the government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cause then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die.."

[edit on 18-6-2007 by biggie smalls]

i also agree that the public watched what the government wanted them to see.so now we just need to find the other film.

would it not be a good idea for nasa to have a fake back up footage of the moon landing in case for whatever reason tv signals couldn't get back from the moon. I know basic science but i also know my xm radio and cell phone has dead spots. if it was our first time to the moon that would be a kick in the (pick your body part) for the camera not to work. Ironically if the cameras did fail on the moon landing and then they brought back footage, you know some people would say we never went their and that the real footage is fake

i am not sure what this post added to the debate, in fact we all might be dumber for reading it, but hey it's my $.02

I'm not questioning any thing that has been posted on this thread. I am just curious about a couple of things.

1) Do you think the the US actually made a manned landing on the moon or was the whole thing a lie ?
2) Do you think that the video presented by the government was real or faked.
3) If you feel that video was faked then what do you feel the reason was for the charade ?

I am only trying to get a feel for your thoughts and thought processes and not challenging any of your ideas.

Thanks

ok guys watch this:

Moon Landing Hoax - Conspiracy Theory Fox TV

This is compulsive viewing for anyone interested in the subject.

Google Video Link

The program's conclusion was that the whole thing was most likely faked in the Nevada desert (in Area 51, of course!). According to them, NASA did not have the technical capability of going to the Moon, but pressure due to the Cold War with the Soviet Union forced them to fake it.

They even have an ex-NASA employee who worked on the Apollo project and even he thinks its most likely a hoax.

IMO it is a hoax and this video is pretty damning evidence, it looks at some of the major issues with the moon landing hoax. There is more than enough reasons in this video to doubt it. Whats really funny is the NASA spokesperson has the weakest arguments of them all. Its a total joke.


[edit on 18-6-2007 by VicRH]

Everything mentioned in that television program has been categorically debunked on Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy website. If you've only seen the Fox program and you're gung ho about a faked moon landing, then you're going off half cocked until you read the other side of the story.

Why does the "original" footage have a time of severe audio/video static when the "public" footage does not? Was video editing that advanced in 1970?

Wow....

Maybe they DID film it in a studio.

Does anyone question the fact that FOX NEWS makes a documentary about the moon landing and how it could have been a hoax? That smells a little fishy to me seeing that FOX almost gos hand in hand with the government.

Originally posted by duster
I'm not questioning any thing that has been posted on this thread.

Really?

1) Do you think the the US actually made a manned landing on the moon or was the whole thing a lie ?

Yes... back around 62 or 64

2) Do you think that the video presented by the government was real or faked.

Faked in the interest of National Security

3) If you feel that video was faked then what do you feel the reason was for the charade ?

They were backed into a corner by Kennedy with his public challenge to go to the Moon... Its "rumored" that is why he was killed

I am only trying to get a feel for your thoughts and thought processes

Why are you working for THEM??

[edit on 19-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by VicRH
The program's conclusion was that the whole thing was most likely faked in the Nevada desert (in Area 51, of course!).

No It wasn't in Nevada... Not EVERYTHING happens here at Area 51 you know. The major space related stuff happens in ARIZONA, just google [Space Arizona NASA] and see what you get... Its also the home of the rumored Dulce Base, the new 2 billion dollar Space Port America where Spaceship One will fly out of, and Lunar and Planetary Institute, and the University of Arizona

Lunar and Planetary Laboratory...
www.lpl.arizona.edu...

The new HiRise Mars imagery...
hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

The Space Engineering Laboratory
www.ame.arizona.edu...

USGS Space Activities are all operated out of Arizona... the list goes on...

And as to that "Movie Set" I promised early (Yeah okay so it was a LONG dinner.... so what )

Many over the years have asked where the movie set was... well seems I may have found it

63, the Astrogeology Research Program played an important role in training astronauts destined to explore the lunar surface and in supporting the testing of equipment for both manned and unmanned missions.

As part of the astronauts' training, USGS and NASA geoscientists gave lectures and field trips during the 1960's and early 1970's to teach astronauts the basics of terrestrial and lunar geology. Field trips included excursions into the Grand Canyon to demonstrate the development of geologic structure over time; Lowell Observatory (Flagstaff) and Kitt Peak National Observatory (Tucson); Meteor Crater east of Flagstaff ; and Sunset Crater cinder cone and nearby lava flows in the Flagstaff area. This training was essential to giving astronauts the skills and understanding to make observations about what they would see on the lunar surface and to collect samples for later study back on Earth.

The volcanic fields around Flagstaff have proven particularly useful in testing equipment and training astronauts. Cameras planned for use in the Surveyor project were tested on the Bonito Flow in Sunset Crater National Park because the lava flow appeared to be similar to flows on the lunar surface. A field of artificial impact craters were created in the Cinder Lakes volcanic field near Flagstaff to create a surface similar to the proposed first manned American landing site on the Moon.

Cinder Lakes, Flagstaff, Arizona
Blasting craters in the cinder field to create a Moon-like terrain



Cinder Lakes, Flagstaff, Arizona
An aerial view of the resulting crater field

the devil is in the details



please note carefully , 2 important facts :

first - that the stars [ above the eagle ] have a border

second - the eagles tail feathers are solid , with only one colur

as i said - minor details - but these tiny changes date the use of insignia , logos and crests

look at this page of DOD crests - which contains several diferent designs .

they all superfucially look the same - but subtle diferences exist

point is - the ` bordered stars ` at the start of the aleged vid , do not appear in DOD crests on documentation from that era [ vietmam war ]

it is difficult to prove a negative - and show conclusive evidence that this crest was not used at the specified time , why should i trawl the entire archive - on what i suspect is a wild goose chase - if people believe that it is genuine - let them show what this crest was used uring the apollo era

i can show it was used during others

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
Why does the "original" footage have a time of severe audio/video static when the "public" footage does not? Was video editing that advanced in 1970?

One theory is that the original video signal was recorded at two (or maybe several) different locations, and that maybe one of the receiving stations encountered a signal dropout that the other(s) didn't.

The Fox program in my opinion was done to set up strawman arguments. Yes shadows do vary in angle according to terrain, but look at the rock in the top right, we have an almost 90 degree difference here on relatively flat ground. Look at the small rock in the bottom left it appears to be casting two shadows. Also note the hotspot around the ACTORnaughts shadow.



There are many more anomalies then the fox program describes, forget shadow convergence how about the astronaughts shadows doubling in length or more on flat ground over several steps? that simply cannot happen in sunlight.

The video reminded me of this story.

In western Australia during the live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moon landing, several people saw a very unusual occurrence. One viewer, Una Ronald watched the telecast and was astonished with what she saw.

The residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper.

Western Australia received their coverage in a different way to the rest of the World. They were the only Country where there wasn't a delay to the 'live' transmission. Bill Kaysing says 'NASA and other connected agencies couldn't get to the Moon and back and so went to ARPA (Advanced Research Projects Agency) in Massachusetts and asked them how they could simulate the actual landing and space walks. We have to remember that all communications with Apollo were run and monitored by NASA, and therefore journalists who thought they were hearing men on the Moon could have easily been misled. All NASA footage was actually filmed off TV screens at Houston Mission Control for the TV coverage... No one in the media were given the raw footage.'

www.ufos-aliens.co.uk...

Oh Yeah and lets not forget this Search on for Moon landing film

I could go on and on with more evidence but there's too much of it to dig up in one night. For a long time I believed the apollo hoax stuff was completely crazy, but if you look objectively there's more evidence to support it being a hoax than being mans crowning glory of technological achievement.

Nasa has some guidelines for teachers in answering questions from students in regards to the hoax theories, they say it makes for good science tuition, I say it's good conditioning.

Like I said there's mountains of anomalies and no solid evidence that they actually went. I tried to find the apollo 16 lunar lift off footage, it looks totaly fake, in an extended version the camera remains on and pans across the horizon where you can see a square structure on the horizon, alien? I doubt it. It prompts a response from one of the nasa crew, he then says nevermind when the camera operator pans past it.
More footage of the lem about to dock (can't remember which mission). Shows the lem defying the laws of physics as it rotates into position with a complete stop no easing in or follow through that you'd expect totally ignoring that annoying inertia thing. I think you can find it in the secret space doco. Sorry haven't got time to dig these links up.
Maybe later if anyones interested.







[edit on 19-6-2007 by squiz]