Would You Die On A Cross To Have Eternal Life?

Please choose from the following:

1) Yes. Why? I would to worship God constantly.

2) Maybe. Why?

3) No. Why?

3) No, because god does not exist, there is more than likely no eternal life and the bible is a fairytale written by ignorant people eons ago in a desert.

OK here is my answer.
I have to go with option three for the simple reasons that neither an higher power or after life exist beyond peoples imaginations .

Originally posted by DarkSide
3) No, because god does not exist, there is more than likely no eternal life and the bible is a fairytale written by ignorant people eons ago in a desert.

DarkSide, I know that I cannot ever convert an atheist into theism. However, you must believe that most humans have been living in a delusion throughout history. The sun itself, by the physics definition, has more power than the sum of "human power" throughout history. What if a Being created the sun? God will eventually reach you as He did me in the year 1995.

Originally posted by xpert11
OK here is my answer.
I have to go with option three for the simple reasons that neither an higher power or after life exist beyond peoples imaginations .

Is the sun more powerful than a human being? Who or what created an imagination?

Originally posted by GreatTech
Is the sun more powerful than a human being? Who or what created an imagination?

Umm to answer your first question in terms of context of power the Sun can of course produce more energy then an human can. However the Sun can not be compared to the higher power you claim exists. You should know that an persons imagination comes from there own mind peoples imagination have come up with Santa Clause and the Tooth fairy . So both questions lead to dead ends the Sun isnt an all encompassing higher power and if you think that every thing that you Imagen is real then you have issues not related topic.

Originally posted by GreatTech
What if a Being created the sun?

The Sun was not created. It came into existance like every other star in this universe.

God will eventually reach you as He did me in the year 1995.

Yes, I used to be a Christian, I was deceived. But that will not happen twice.

In answer to the question, no I would not.

I don't believe in god, I used to and I got over it. I'm not getting fooled by a mind virus again. I've been innoculated with reason.

Unless I go off into the land of psychosis (anything is possible, I suppose) I wouldn't allow myself to die in such a horrible manner for a figment of everyone's imagination.

And it's not as if Jesus was the only person ever crucified. It was a very common method of execution under the Romans. When Spartacus was finally defeated, the Romans crucified the entire remainder of his slave army all up the Appian Way. Miles and miles of crosses.

Personally, I find Christians' preoccupation with Jesus' engine of death to be quite creepy. If he'd been drawn and quartered, would you wear little horses and ropes on a chain? What if he'd been fed to the lions? Or put as a rowing slave on a ship or died of hard labor in a salt mine?

It's almost as if they worship death, and not the man at all. They even symbolically eat his body.

Sounds more like a George Romero film than a religion to me.


[edit for wrong word - not enough coffee yet]


[edit on 17-6-2007 by MajorMalfunction]

I'm not a theist.... so... 3) No i wouldn't...

That's cause, i don't think you have to die on a cross to have eternal live. I believe that energy never dies just changes into something else, and cause of this we will always exist in one way or another. No mayrters death needed.

well, it would be eternal UNlife if i died...
but probably not. i don't really want to live forever. it would get boring

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
Personally, I find Christians' preoccupation with Jesus' engine of death to be quite creepy. If he'd been drawn and quartered, would you wear little horses and ropes on a chain? What if he'd been fed to the lions? Or put as a rowing slave on a ship or died of hard labor in a salt mine?

Actually that's a really good question. I guess I would have a tattoo on my back. I don't know if I could fit 4 horses and chains on my arm. I know what you're getting at, but the cross is a symbol much like the 13 stars on our flag. It's not to say that we worship stars. The red represents valor, as in valor and bravery in combat. It doesn't take to much imagination to realize that the red stripes could very well be stripes of blood. That doesn't imply that we're blood-thirsty barbarians although you could argue that point.

Symbols are short-hand notations that represent a broader, larger event or occurrence. Christians use the cross as a symbol because that was the turning point or event.

Option #3.
Since I don't believe in a deity, I have no wanting to be killed on a Crucifix.

Besides, I plan on living forever without any deity anyhow.

no it looks all painful and i dont want to live forever. not as a human at least. nah its cool.

I don't have to hang myself up there do I?

Lol. Just teasing, but yeah I'd do it.

There is no logical answer to this question, as there is no correlation between eternal life and dying on a cross, except as described in the Bible, in which case, it was Jesus who died on the cross, so that the rest of us could have eternal life.

If you believe the Bible, then the answer is here;'

John 3

[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Bible: King James Version

For a Christian, the only answer would be simply that there is no need. Jesus paid the price for my salvation already.

Clearly, Muslims would answer yes, as we see them blow themselves to smithereens on almost a daily basis for an eternity with 72 virgins.

For non-believers, it is a nonsensical question.


[edit on 2007/6/17 by GradyPhilpott]

GradyPhilpott, in response, what about the following:

"Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Matthew 10:37-39

"Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?" Matthew 16:24-26

Peace and Blessings.

Well, I would die in whatever manner I felt I could if I felt it was a necessary process to achieve something.

In the case of the Christ story, it seems he knew in advance the outcome, so all he had to do was to endure a short period of suffering to pay for an infinite amount of sin by all humanity for eternity - this life and the next.

I could do that if I were given knowledge of the purpose and outcome, no problem.

I had a similar experience, but it became inconclusive.

Originally posted by GreatTech
"Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Matthew 10:37-39

"Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?" Matthew 16:24-26

In neither case does Jesus say that dying on a cross, or in any way, is necessary for salvation. To take up one's cross means to take up Jesus's cause, even when it involves family conflict or even death.

Taken in full context of the time that Jesus lived, allying one's self with Jesus was a dangerous thing to do. The Romans might kill you, or the Jewish religious leadership might kill you, or one of your own family members might kill you because of your beliefs.

The better question would be, Would you be willing to die for your faith or would you abandon your faith in the face of adversity?

According to Christianity, the price of salvation has been paid. Belief is what is necessary to secure that salvation, even if it means death.

As we speak, men and women are facing death in Afghanistan and Iraq in defense of their beliefs.

This kind of loyalty is what Jesus was speaking of and the belief that eternal spiritual life is more important than physical life.

It is not very much different when warriors lay down their lives for freedom. It is not done so as to earn their freedom, because their freedom was paid for by the blood of those who died even before they were born. They are willing to die, because the cause of freedom is greater than any one man's life.

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
Personally, I find Christians' preoccupation with Jesus' engine of death to be quite creepy. If he'd been drawn and quartered, would you wear little horses and ropes on a chain? What if he'd been fed to the lions? Or put as a rowing slave on a ship or died of hard labor in a salt mine?

As a comedian (can't remember which) said:
'What is with the whole Christian-preoccupation-with-crosses about?
I mean, if the Second Coming does occur and Jesus returns, the last thing he wants to be reminded about would be his crucifixion'

I'd be a 3, as currently I do not believe in a deity/deities.

And GreatTech I'm just curious but can you start a thread without 3 questions? It's just I do not suffer from 'Black/White/One-shade-of-Gray syndrome', into which anyone can be categorised either as 'for' 'opposed' and/or 'neutral'.

[edit on 17-6-2007 by Chaoticar]

Wouldn't one kind of need to know exactly where eternity is before commiting to such drastic measures. I mean its obviously not on earth right. It has to be in some spiritual relm IMHO.