Wrong galaxy, I am afraid!

Originally posted by ZikhaN

Originally posted by Toelint
Did I read that article right? I swear in one quote, the writer says we've experienced no less than EIGHT rotations around the Milky Way, at an off-angle...and then in another quote, the writer says our course will change and we'll join our galactic brethern on a permanent equatorial rotation.

Well, I gotta ask...which is it?

There's obviously some kind of confusion. It's still only considered a theory, so I'm going with the first quote.

Btw, I'm really enjoying everybodys posts. You guys really know how to back up your theories. I'm not experienced enough to join the argument yet, but I'm getting there

[edit on 24-6-2007 by ZikhaN]

"Only considered a theory"

What we all should know is that most related science is theory, and it is a real occasion to get actual measurements from Voyager I & II traveling out at 39,000 mph after being launched some 30 years ago laying waste to the bulk of those theories just two weeks ago with the ABC News release, and a real occasion to actually get these Discovery findings linked to real landmarks in the sky such as our solar system vs. the Milky Way.

Both above are theories quoted from a blog detailing 2003 and 2006 breakthrough theories that have synergistically moved to discovery status two weeks ago with the ABC News release Discovery. The qoute you quoted from and then did not answer-- was actually a misquote, for no such direct statement was made in the article blogged. An indirect treatment of what 'may happen' was addressed with the preface word "apparently"

"We are part of a smaller galaxy that the Milky Way has put the 'come hither' on and we are apparently going to actually turn and join with the Milky way after some 2 billion years of circling around it at a near right angle as part of our parent galaxy called the Sagittarius Dwarf."

"SUMMARY: THE UNION OF TWO GALAXIES -- A NEW BEGINNING FOR EARTH

After some two billion years of arching around in an off-angle galactic sized elliptical loop like a dolphin jumping from one edge of a round pool in an arch to the other, our whole direction is apparently to be changing. Rather than going up and around in a vertical loop while turning with the Milky Way below, we as a solar system are apparently going to be centering in with the turning whirlpool shaped Milky Way spiral galactic disc-- and moving horizontally like a dolphin swimming around with the current amidst the outer edge region of an incomprehensibly huge brightly glowing and turning whirlpool galaxy in space."

Such a treatment with the word apparently does not actually address the main discoveries or their veracity. Clearly.



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[edit on 24-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

What new “theory“!?

Lets check some facts (again):

* “Bullet Serious astronomy buff, inventor, author “-- Matthew Perkins Erwin ( that all I can found about this gay ) IS THE ONLY ONE with the idea of our solar system being part of SaggDEG.

* why only : because he is “root supporting data link“ is article from Virginia University - so lets look what Virginia people are saying:

- they are making first full extent of SaggDEG in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way

- that Milky way is eating its smaller neighborgs - including SaggDEG

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in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way

- that WE ARE PASSING THROUGH DEBRIS fo SaggDEG :"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."

- and finally :

"The shape of the Sagittarius debris trail shows us that the Milky Way's unseen dark matter is in a spherical distribution, a result that is quite unexpected," Weinberg said.

"The observations provide new insights into the nature of the mysterious dark matter," said Princeton's Spergel. "Either our galaxy is unusual or the dark matter has richer properties than postulated by conventional models."

* NOWHERE anything about our solar system being part of SaggDEG !



Regarding “magnetic field in interstellar space is propelling our solar system along at a 60-90° angle to the rest of the galaxy“ from abc net:

- our solar apex is knowen to be roughly 60 deegres to the direction of the Galactic Center - in a general direction of sun's galactic motion twords the star Vega.
Sun's orbit around Milky Way is elliptical +/- preturbation due to galactic arm and difference in mass distribution


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To measure our solar system, scientists study the places where the Sun's influence ends and interstellar space begins, an area known as the heliosphere

NO is is not called heliosphere, it is- HELIOPAUSE ... talking about “serious" scientific article!

about heliopouse if somebody is interested


Here is comprehensive information about SaggDEG ( which include Virginia University) and a lot of links...


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Astrophysicist Rosemary Wyse of Johns Hopkins University has estimated that as much as 10 percent of the stars in the Milky Way's halo came from dwarf galaxies like SagDEG, merging with the Milky Way over the past eight billion years or so. (In November 2003, astronomers announced that an even closer galaxy (located 25,000 ly from Sol and 42,000 ly from the galactic center) called the Canis Major dwarf may be losing stars to the Milky Way's disk as well.)

[edit on 24-6-2007 by blue bird]

I am sorry that you do not see.

I am sorry that you will not see.

Did not know Bluebird was a woman-- I taught women's self defense and have ultimate respect for women myself btw...

I am sorry that you think that it is just o.k. take offense and enter into name calling of the discoverer in such manner tho.

If you do not see the discoveries in the same light, that is completely up to you.

Discoveries are seldom seen for what they are until time has passed to the point that only the few have gotten the information and then the greater numbers are left to their own devices.

Wonder myself what kind of changes are in store for us all.

If the original postiing by the O.P. has helped anymore other than myself-- than kudos to him....


What are those 3 stages of truth...?


..something about it being violently opposed..?



Hmmmmm.


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[edit on 24-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

Originally posted by Scienceguy
--get a look at what this guy just said:

Never ceases to amaze me the ummmm "intelligence" level of some of those they let in here...



I suppose YOU never made a typo? And for a guy that has a name like Science Guy I have seen very little contributions to the discussion from you.

And just what is wrong with Bluebirds avatar? I thing Beth(Undo) did a really nice job on that one... A bluebird over Venus...

And just what makes you assume that English is this "guy's" first language? Come to think of it, what makes you assume Bluebird is a guy?

All these comedians out f work in Las Vegas and we get YOU

:shk:

I will not debate/fight somebody who is not in their right mind.

Great! Don't let the door hit you on the way out

[edit on 24-6-2007 by zorgon]

I hope this does not have dangerous implications for earth and the rest of the solar system

Originally posted by thesun
I hope this does not have dangerous implications for earth and the rest of the solar system

Gloom and Doom my friend... Planets coliding, stars exploding, being sucked into the black hole...

But we have a year or two before that happens
Now on the other hand if this has anything to do with Global warming...

then that's another matter

Originally posted by Scienceguy

I am sorry that you think that it is just o.k. take offense and enter into name calling of the discoverer in such manner tho.


[edit on 24-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

If you are referring to this :"Serious astronomy buff, inventor, author" look here..... that is how our 'discoverer' described himself in "Ask the Astronomer"....

....and when you google his name -this is all you can get!

You still appear to be into worshipping published science and us all getting a pat on the head from some august body for 'how to think' in the face of some of greatest original thought and discoveries we have ever come across.

I have seen so much out and out deliberate dumbing down in so many fields and astronomy/astrophysics included-- that I myself do not stand around with arms folded waiting to be told what to think. When things are finally published it is old news in most cases.


Since you have linked the page--

I'm just CURIOUS:

Can you YOURSELF ANSWER WHAT HE IS ASKING?

Give it a shot...

( If I am correct-- the question is so advanced -- simply as just the question, that no one here degreed or not knows the answer without looking it up? )



"Q: Regarding the current positioning of the Poles of the Sun..."

www.esa.int...

"this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during solar maximum. Instead of
reversing completely, flipping north to south, the Sun's magnetic poles have only rotated
at halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun's equator."

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[ Q: ]

"I understand from the quote that those were the measurements at the time of how the poles were magnetically positioning themselves as configuration. Has this configuration remained as an equatorial placement of the N/S poles still lying E/W? Are there further documents indicating the precise current positioning as actual measurements taken that I can in fact
reference in the interests of scientific accuracy?


Thank you for your professional courtesy on achieving the accurate answer to this question."

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Scienceguy again:

If I am correct-- the question is so advanced simply as a question, that no one here knows the answer without looking it up?

Infact -- even upon giving you time to look it up-- I think that even just the QUESTION he is asking is so advanced that we will have to educate ourselves before we even have a clue...

And you are trying to actually fault - find - discredit - and even belittle this guy who is apparently freely sharing all this to humanity on a free blog no less?


Sad.

I am part of a sad, sad, race full of such jealousy and ingratitude.


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Did you ever hear the true story of the man who discovered why all the women were dying in childbirth? They were dying by the thousands.

He discovered germs. All would either not hear of it and/or thought of how they could be actually guilty of causing a string of deaths themselves as medical practitioners. Medical practitioners would not wash their hands going between ill and diseased patients and those child birthing. The result? the knowledge was suppressed and thousands upon thousands more women died simply because these haughty human beings all decided to quash the data -- those entrusted with overall academic authority who would not allow the new data to be published.

The discoverer? He died penniless, and watched thousands more women die out of deliberate ignorance.

The actual true cause of Global Warming is presented herein which could change the course of history.

One of US could actually be the jump off point that propels this into the main stream just in time as they say...

Perhaps you don't believe you are capable of changing the world-- and that may be the difference between this man and us?

You know how many openings there are for a blogger to reach thousands with such a link?

Hmmmmm.....

We have the O.P. to thank here on this site









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[edit on 24-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

Originally posted by Scienceguy
You still appear to be into worshipping published science and us all getting a pat on the head from some august body for 'how to think' in the face of some of greatest original thought and discoveries we have ever come across.

I have seen so much out and out deliberate dumbing down in so many fields and astronomy/astrophysics included-- that I myself do not stand around with arms folded waiting to be told what to think. When things are finally published it is old news in most cases.


Since you have linked the page--

I'm just CURIOUS:

Can you YOURSELF ANSWER WHAT HE IS ASKING?

Give it a shot...

( If I am correct-- the question is so advanced -- simply as just the question, that no one here degreed or not knows the answer without looking it up? )



"Q: Regarding the current positioning of the Poles of the Sun..."

www.esa.int...

"this is due to the way in which the polarity changed during solar maximum. Instead of
reversing completely, flipping north to south, the Sun's magnetic poles have only rotated
at halfway and are now more or less lying sideways along the Sun's equator."

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Q: ]

"I understand from the quote that those were the measurements at the time of how the poles were magnetically positioning themselves as configuration. Has this configuration remained as an equatorial placement of the N/S poles still lying E/W? Are there further documents indicating the precise current positioning as actual measurements taken that I can in fact
reference in the interests of scientific accuracy?


Thank you for your professional courtesy on achieving the accurate answer to this question."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scienceguy again:

If I am correct-- the question is so advanced simply as a question, that no one here knows the answer without looking it up?

Infact -- even upon giving you time to look it up-- I think that even just the QUESTION he is asking is so advanced that we will have to educate ourselves before we even have a clue...

And you are trying to actually fault - find - discredit - and even belittle this guy who is apparently freely sharing all this to humanity on a free blog no less?


Sad.

I am part of a sad, sad, race full of such jealousy and ingratitude.

You know--

Don't feel stupid.

As I looked up the Linked page you provided--

It looks as though even the "ask the astronmer page" could not answer his question either!

Originally posted by Yandros
How do we even know the Milky Way is a spiral galaxy? We have no way of seeing it from above. As far as I know, this is just an informed guess to begin with based on the shape of other galaxies we can see from above.

Well actually, right now we don't know it's a spiral galaxy--not exactly. The current thinking is that it's a bit of a hybrid--a barred-spiral galaxy. That's the thing about science--real science. It's not dogma--it's as fluid and changeable as the evidence and logic allows. Some posters here have kind of a "science says this and thus it is so and to contradict that is false" attitude.

There seems to be some confusion about our orientation to the galactic plane. Break it down simple--the earth rotates on a plane that approximately matches the orbital plane of the moon. That plane approximately matches the orbital plane of the rest of the planets. That plane approximately matches the rotational plane of the sun.

But the rotational plane of the solar system, by the obvious appearance of the milky way in the sky--whether looking inwards or outwards--does not match. A slightly more astronomical way of putting it--the milky way does not run parallel to earth's ecliptic.

Whether that's due to our being part of a different galaxy's incursion into the milky way or whether we've been a part of the milky way all along but something occurred in eons past to skew our solar system's orientation--either way, we are visibly not rotationally aligned with the milky way.

I thought this article was fascinating, and I'd never heard of those barycenter "sleeves" in relation to sunspots and polar shifts. Interesting theory and tie-in to the Mayan calendar and subject matter of this thread.

Originally posted by St Udio

Originally posted by laiguana
Our solar system wasn't around when the galaxies collided right? Well I know the earth wasn't...I don't know about the sun...forgot how old that fella was. But I would think that the time this mini galaxy first smashed into the milkway it would have been way before our solar system was pooped out. Well I guess I'll look it up somewhere.

your hitting on something there,

scientists have deduced that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old
and the sun a max. of 10 billion years

so it would figure(or not figure) that the primeval solar system
was gobbled up by the larger milky-way, but hasn't had the time
to be completely assimilated...as evidenced by the apparent skewed
galactic horizons we in the Earth's solar system have in a sort of 'discordance' with the 'home' galaxy....

in another reference, it was pointed out that the earth's solar system
(a captured part of a different galaxy) has traversed the Milky-Way for ~8
galactic revolutions---the same scientists and recent extrapolations
have determined that a galactc rotation takes near 250,000,000 [250million years]===which, mathematically equates to 2 Billion Years

so that means the sun, Earth & solar system of 7 other planets,
along with the Oort cloud, the asteroid belt, all made it throught a gallactic merging...intact,
or a near as possible to our present condition without any major alteration in the solar systems profile for all those 2-to-10 billion years ?!

next, i recall that our sun & solar system is a product of a 3rd generation
supernova of suns....that is the only possible way all the heavy & exotic & complex elements in the abundance needed to create these inner rocky planets would have in the known laws of physics/science to become the real objects in space we see & know today

A dwarf galaxy is not a crucible furnace to generate this series of 3rd generation supernova...so at best the Earth/Sol solar system is born in the MilkyWay...but may have been 'tilted' as a result of this hypothetical collision/merging of Galaxies....


i rest on what i've said,
your >(the OP Author) extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, not just fantastic; Ifs, suppositions, fictional scenarios....

enjoy

[edit on 23-6-2007 by St Udio]

Hi, in response to your request for extraordinary proofs-- this fell into my lap as I was looking for something else-- and it may cause you to rethink the statement:

"i rest on what i've said"
"i recall that our sun & solar system is a product of a 3rd generation
supernova of suns....that is the only possible way all the heavy & exotic & complex elements in the abundance needed to create these inner rocky planets would have in the known laws of physics/science to become the real objects in space we see & know today..."

A dwarf galaxy is not a crucible furnace to generate this series of 3rd generation supernova...so at best the Earth/Sol solar system is born in the MilkyWay...but may have been 'tilted' as a result of this hypothetical collision/merging of Galaxies....


LINKED STORY:

Our solar system started with a nudge, not a bang

space.newscientist.com...

Most astrophysicists believe that the solar system formed from a cloud of gas and dust when a nearby supernova exploded, compressing the dust and triggering the birth of the Sun and planets, says Martin Bizzarro of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark.

To investigate, Bizzarro and his colleagues looked for iron-60, an isotope produced by supernovae, in meteorites that formed during the first million years in the solar system's history. "To our great surprise, there was no iron-60, ruling out the supernova trigger mechanism," says Bizzarro.

The team found another isotope, aluminium-26, suggesting an alternative trigger:

[edit on 24-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

Originally posted by Scienceguy
Quote:

"next, i recall that our sun & solar system is a product of a 3rd generation
supernova of suns...."

'Quoted' is theoretic data, presupposed upon a discussion as a deductive reasoning default-- for even in this snippet you have defaulted to a foundational theory that is only conjecture and not established as fact in the case of our solar system creation. You do not see in the new science presented what you can cognize as the answer that you can personally agree with, so what have you resorted to? You have defaulted to some other conclusion in hand as though it were fact-- based upon a suppositional theory -- the only other conclusion you have been exposed to, or allowed yourself to consider. Deductive reasoning is faulty in that if you don't have the answer in the pool that you are drawing from you choose the last one that is left to be chosen by default-- even though it may not be the true answer.

Inductive reasoning is altogether different in that it also permits the idea that old science and/or older understanding has not arrived yet at the true answer in the past and that more original thought is in fact required before jumping to such an incomplete conclusion and therefore wrong answer.

What you see is clearly backed up with the New Star Map, as well as the actual positioning in the sky before us of a Milky Way that is clearly sideways in the sky.




We have some smart people here... very smart people, and I am duly impressed-- and while I do not pretend to have all the answers, when I see fudging for the sake of either quashing new data or new discoveries just so that some can feel that their take on reality and their world is not falling apart, which can cloud the reasoning all by itself, we have to have the courage to speak up.

This stuff is on the money and you sitting in that chair there personally actually have access to a real first in history-- right in your very lifetime, and you are personally one of the very first few out of billions who has access to real knowledge and real discovery.


It takes real courage to set aside your programming and go for real truth...

What kind of stuff are you personally made of? What kind of courage do you really have to look square in the maw of Truth with a capital "T"..?


How many of you have "actually" had the 'courage' and even "dared" to look up the 10 min. SantaChrist link above?


This (above was my original reply) and appears to be something that stands thus far.





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[edit on 24-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

External Source

To measure our solar system, scientists study the places where the Sun's influence ends and interstellar space begins, an area known as the heliosphere


NO is is not called heliosphere, it is- HELIOPAUSE ... talking about “serious" scientific article!

about heliopouse if somebody is interested

No they are referring to the heliosphere. Here's another "serious" scientific article. Are you sure you are bluebird, because you seem to be having a bad day.
[link]http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap020624.html[/link]

[edit on 25-6-2007 by DuncanIdahoGholem]

[edit on 25-6-2007 by DuncanIdahoGholem]

[edit on 25-6-2007 by DuncanIdahoGholem]

Yeah, it was one fantastic typo festival


But, otherwise - I do mean all said in that replay!

Unfortunately, could not open your link - but let me clarify again:

HELIOSPHERE - is a bubble in space made by solar wind. Supersonic solar wind slows before meet the gases in the interstellar medium into subsonic flow, called helio sheath.

That outer surface of the helio sheath is HELIOPAUSE - place where heliosphere meets interstellar medium. Voyager 1 and 2 confirmed what astronomers believed before- the boundary between solar system and interstellar space. It was a confirmation that our Sun interacts beyond heliopause.

So, if they say, in article:

To measure our solar system, scientists study the places where the Sun's influence ends and interstellar space begins, an area known as the heliosphere.

'where  the Sun's influence ends and interstellar space begins" - this meeting/boundary plase is called heliopause. And that was a big thing Voyager confirmed for physicists. And where this heliopause ends it is still a big mystery.




source


[edit on 25-6-2007 by blue bird]

Getting back to the actual original topic...

ORIGINAL THREAD POST:

MasterP

"Wrong galaxy, I am afraid!"

Our galaxy is not the Milky Way, but Sagittarius:

curezone.com...

abc.net.au...

"Amazing! no sci-fi writer ever thought of this..."



Good point O.P.


How to figure this all out?

It may take us setting aside all that we think we know on the topic first (if at all possible) as most all astroscience will shortly have to do to restore accuracy after the ABC News release made clear that all relevant data is now corrupted for accuracy all the way back to Copernicus for not only not knowing which way we were going, but basing published science ( and unwittingly all the learning textbooks used even in a university class this very day today ) on what is clearly foundationally incorrect.

Rather than this being a bashing of Astroscience and/or Scientists, it is instead more a focus on true science, right on the cutting edge.

A razor's edge when sharp enough can slice up one's ignorance before we even feel it... if we are quick about it...

It says clearly on the discoverer's current blog that not all the scientists are on the wrong track and he has made it a point to give total and full credit to them for their work not long into the article:
curezone.com...

This is so funny to me.
If I understand correctly they discovered the sun is actually one of the stars of sagittarius? that's just so funny

This is what 'they' said 5 years ago about identifying stars in the milky way that belong(ed) to sagittarius:

"Finding a star of the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy is like picking a needle out of a haystack." - Space.com

After all this looking they now find out that the light of a sagittarius star shines brightly on their head's every single day, sitting in the sky, big as life itself

It's amazing though really, also the note that this likely is why the aztec/mayan calendars stop after the last cycle in 2012.

one last thing, this brings a whole new meaning to the word alien(s) in a way.
I realize we didn't exist that long ago but still.
who are really the aliens around this neck of space?

Cheers, David

PS.
As a kid I wondered what a galaxy collision might look or be like from within one of the galaxies (I didn't realize the timescale at that age). But still, now I know!!

[edit on 26/6/2007 by David2012]

Just a little background.

On MAY 29, 2006 I started a thread entitled "Could this be what's affecting the Sun?" on www.proxywhore.com.

Here's the link:

www.proxywhore.com...


Several months later one of our members, MATT, started the following thread, citing a "discovery" date of MAY 30, 2006.

www.proxywhore.com...

If I'm not mistaken, Matt is also using an article I posted (regarding Mayan prophecy) as part of his discovery.

I was thinking of signing up with the username "Mat's Muse" but decided against it.

FWIW, I do not believe our solar system is part of the SagDeg Galaxy. I do find Dr. Majewski's mention of stars from the Sagittarius Galaxy raining down on our present position in the Milky Way rather interesting but it's my understanding these stars are mostly M type stars which may be held together (gravitationally) by dark matter. It's late right now and I don't feel like looking it up, but if I'm not mistaken, our sun is not an M type star.

And FWIW, Matt's the latest part of Matt's "discovery" also came from one of my Google Alert articles. I posted it on his mega thread and then pm'd him to let him know it may be of interest to him.

I admire Matt's tenacity when it comes to this theory but I'm surprised to see articles such as this one:

Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!
www.theblackvault.com...

I have not yet found scientific mention and or evidence that the solar system is actually part of the SagDeg Galaxy (other than Matt's theory). Majewski states that the solar system moves through this area - "For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris" but he is not stating that the Solar System originates from the SagDeg galaxy (at least not as far as I can tell).

Oh, and by the way, I'm new here.










[edit on 27-6-2007 by leia1023]

Welcome Leia.

In searching your posted thread, we see that you had someone anonymously post a big:

"I-Don't-Give-A-F**k" emoticon somewhat after your posting.

Then a number of pages later we find that "Matt NLI"

is posted as coming to your defense, and your right to say what you are saying:

www.proxywhore.com...

"NLI MATT May 30 2006, 10:15 PM Page 6

coo-ool!

Thank you.

yes I do give a #!

I like someone with the individuality and originality to find and post such."

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Then, we find Matt coming in on page 7 coming back after Leia had a clear 4 months to make anything of her initial question with nary a mention from her as to any relevance whatsoever at all during that period... MATT deliberately makes the move to resurrrect an old post and further give Leia further recognition and credit as he does this follow up
as he goes public with his findings she is the first in getting her due:

MATT Nov 20 2006, 03:13 PM Page 7

Thank you Leia for resonating spontaneously with the Universal wisdom of the galaxies, and posting what you are inspired to post.

It has great relevence to:

www.proxywhore.com...

It is you who I credit as posting some of the key precursor information as a question one night about the Milky Way absorbing/devouring the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy that is in turn in process of raining down stars upon our position, and it was Candyman that I credit with spontaneously posting the key clue out of the blue in a posting right after about Voyager I & II which allowed me to make the jump to be exposed to the fact although NASA launched Voyager I and II probes were launched thirty years ago, WE still have not gotten beyond the moving helioshperic bubble that the solar system travels in to reach still space so they can determine once and for all: "WHICH WAY WE ARE TRAVELING IN SPACE TO VALIDATE THEIR THEORIES" -- As there is no close stationary landmark object to actually physically measure against, and all is just optically a single dimension from vantage point Earth and within our own moving bubble, they have only been able to guess our direction of travel.

We now know that we have been moving at a clear right angle which invalidates the very foundations of most all their theories that hinge upon this.

What you are reading is so huge that it is quite astonishing.




-- material copyright owned by poster --



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'No where' in any of the pages and by no other person than Matt do I find that 'inital' idea of actually 'what this meant' as the theorem now turned discoveries, or anyone with even the courage and original thought/thinking/ to actually say what is now becoming obvious quickly across the net.

looks like a time to review Schopenhauers law:

"All truth goes through 3 stages:

------ First it is ridiculed...

------ Then it is violently opposed...

------ Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."

(Schopenhauer)


On page 11 of another thread of the same site Matt gives a specific recognition to Leia (post 152) clear at the very top of a list of 22 supporters on a thread that was generating 5000 reads... to which Leia continues to come back in subsequent posts (post 154) to submit search result ideas to see if Matt thinks they are in fact relevant.

Quoting MATT:
OUT OF SPACE [character # limit]
SEE NEXT POST:



[edit on 27-6-2007 by Scienceguy]

Continued:

Quoting MATT from the PROXY threads:

Hi,

Part of my work professionally is as a technical troubleshooter called in when nobody else can solve problems. I am never seeking validation -- as I am looked to as a validator in the equation. I am required to see my self as such-- not because of some over-lofty sense of self -- but because it is simply required. Turning the dial of your mind into a mindset for the limitation of ideas and creativity and that is what you tend to get quite quickly.

If I find myself seeking validation from anyone it tells me my mindset has fallen short and I have somehow landed not in the future-present, but in the present-past where things are still lagging as a result of everything having to headbutt against stale theories, red tape, tenured clubs, and clearly not at the level of breakthrough.

Breakthrough is what is expected and not the exception. If you do not keep your thinking adjusted for that level of expectation, the mindset does not magnetize a regular set of breakthroughs as a normal course of affairs.

I am not interested in spending any of the precious little extra time I have at all at the present time cow-towwing to anyone currently in the ranks of payrolled science...

... cause even if I was, it is not in their best interests to align themselves at all with a shooting star independent, especially when the topics go far beyond the died in the wool entrenched boundaries of the entire conglomerate of current astroscience on the books.

I deliver the goods and if it takes a long time for the rest of the population to adjust and catch up, that's o.k.

You here are not requiring mainstream validation for what you think THANK GOD!

I think that those who are already capable of evolving their thought to wrap around such concepts of potentially higher truth and natural science that may very well affect their lives tomorrow and the next day and right on into the next through global warming into the future directly HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!

I like you here a great deal. You have earned the right to have at the latest.

You have kept me up on everything that you know and I repay honest favors big time.



Thanks Leia, October, Francis Parker Yockey, Candyman, fool, Anonoho, ehl, Squeeze, Sincat, Candyman, faydra, cazaq, starry, Nancy, Red, Foo Fighter, Kimberly, Stoni, Psyloki, Beth, Nosehair, clouseau, and also: guest, guest, guest, and you too guest for daring to stand with me on the event horizon.

PM me as you will.


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