A Public Banning Today...

Originally posted by Sauron
Proof please, ever real members know you better be able to back up your claims?

It`s a claim not a statement.If you think I`m wrong please use your skills to post why you believe so.please post proof I`m wrong.Sorry two sided coin and not really relevent to the thread.

One thing in life thats for sure beyond doubt, you have to have money too live.I doubt even SO has enough time in the day to run a private life,job,social life and contribute the time to this site.

That sounds fair to me, and most members hope the owners will one day make enough for them selves to live well,

As you started the childish responses please prove that there not.

after all it is there sweat that has put this forum here, does that upset you?

Not at all I welcome enterprise, anybody who start a business that they enjoy doin and get bucks for doin derserves everything they get.Nothing wrong with SO,Simon getting rich.

it must or you would not have tried to claim it as proof of a banning. More Proof please sir.

You confused me, then again I`m writing something and you seem to be reading a different meaning.

How long have you been a member here? yea I know " reading here very, very long time"

Duh joined yesterday.

How many posts have you made? yea I know none " I just had to post about this unfair banning"

I read through many yesterday but didn`t have anything constructive to add to any.I don`t get a kick out of reading my words on the net.Got pasted that when I stopped entertaining myself.

How creditable do you think you are, after what is it posting to one thread?
I'll answer that one for ya too, zero. zip, nada get the picture.

I couldn`t give a four ex for any creditability from this site.I have friends with faces.Don`t come here for friendship just intelligent debate with like minded individuals.You should try it when your mommy lets you.

Well I'm off to click some of the adds, put some more money in the pockets of the owners and keep this simple site up and running

You seriously saying you don`t know how businesses work.You watch say Indy car all those names you try to read on the cars arn`t to make them look good.They pay.whooo big supprise.same as the web site, the more popular the site the bigger the bucks.You wouldn`t spend loads putting your name on a site that only gets 100 hits a month, but you would if millions read your ad.How naive are u


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Originally posted by nescafe8572
Classic govt Disinfo tactics, the more info out the more debating, arguing.The best way to hide a tree is to plant it in a forest.

Certainly. The Internet has become a forest of deception in regards to 9/11 questions, issues, and conspiracy speculation. Between the conspiracy profiteers with agendas tied to specific theories, and purposefully deceptive sites (either through design or hoax), it's getting more and more difficult to know what has merit, and what does not.

Originally posted by nescafe8572
I`m supprised conspiricy buffs even bother debate on sites such as ATS

Perhaps because it's the only such site where editorial content is not driven by the agenda of the owners? Every other major 9/11-related website with user-comments, discussion, or input is actively banning people who disagree with the agenda of the site admin/owners. ATS is the ONLY conspiracy site where ANY 9/11-related subject can be discussed with absolute freedom. All we ask as that you do it within simple, common sense, everyday standards of civility.

In fact, when the "no planes" theory became a hot item on ATS in the past few weeks, we received advice from more than one admin of other 9/11 boards, and 9/11 Truth activists to immediately ban the no-planers with impunity and delete all such threads. Well, we didn't outright ban anyone (until their attitude became a problem), and all their subjects are still wide-open for discussion.

And, on top of that, many of their "no planes" threads are very high (if not #1) on logical Google searches on the subject... and our members flagged more than one of the threads to top-level positions on the site home page and in our email newsletter.

Now... knowing that... which site do YOU think makes the MOST sense for "conspiracy buffs?"

Originally posted by nescafe8572
This banning has more to do with ATS lossing credability and protecting its main interest,

Well, it IS protecting our main interests, our members. Plain and simple. Throughout this thread, we see an overwhelming number of members who agree... and oddly enough... only "recently registered" members seem to disagree. (hrm)

Originally posted by nescafe8572
This is a simple site, we the members are given a place to talk, debate using good manners etc etc.In return the "3 Amigos" earn a living just the same as any other business.

Thats all ATS is.

I concede that many who sit back and criticize ATS from a distance may want to paint us with this simplistic brush, but it's not the whole story.

First, yes, we are a business with significant expenses. We are a very heavily trafficked discussion board, one of the top-20, and discussion boards by their very nature, are incredibly processor intensive websites... so our technology requirements are significant. And in fact, we're currently planning our sixth technology upgrade from a cluster of three servers, to a cluster of five with an additional contract with a distributed media hosting service for all images, podcasts, and video.

And, yes, manners are important. Four years ago, we were tiny, hardly a blip on the universe of discussion boards. Then we implemented the one initiative that sets us apart, enforcement of manners... now we're one of the most popular... do you think it's an accident that simple manners drove our growth?

But you've missed the point... ATS is not about an income stream for the owners. I've been running online ventures since it was possible to do so (1989), and trust me, there are hundreds of easier ways to make money online. ATS is about the passion of promoting what everyone and anyone has to say... and that simple concept is reflected in everything we do. Our agenda is our members, first and always. We feel that if we stay true to that, in everything we do, the income will eventually happen.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
ATS is about the passion of promoting what everyone and anyone has to say... and that simple concept is reflected in everything we do. Our agenda is our members, first and always. We feel that if we stay true to that, in everything we do, the income will eventually happen.

So, in essence, you're saying that ATS is what America should be.

Sorry for putting word in your mouth, but your last statement filled me with a sense of pride and importance. Which is a diminishing quality in American culture today.

Well, I'll be glad to stand up and say that I'm proud to be a member here. This is a fine place to learn and discuss, to stretch one's mind out a bit.

I see no problem with banning someone who was intent on doing harm to this place and the reputation that ATS has. If there was no problem being civil, then there would be no banning.

In the short time I've been here, I've asked some tough questions of the staff, disagreed a few times, and generally spoken my mind. Nobody has tried to stop me from that.

I do sometimes speak a bit harshly to folks, and I've had to go back and apologize to them for my heat. NOT because I was ever asked to by staff, I've never even gotten a warning. I did it because I was wrong, and I try to be man enough to admit being wrong.

I would bet that the person with no name who was banned made no apologies for bad behavior, else he wouldn't be so proud of himself now, as evident by his posts on other unmentionable sites. You have to act like a grown up to play with the big kids.

So, in essence, you're saying that ATS is what America should be.

More like a good quality product.Any successful business is born by a person/persons with a passion and belief in the product they produce/sell.

That`s basic business principles, you won`t be succesful sell a product that you trully believe to be bad even if the profit margin is great if you don`t have the desire the drive and the belief you`ll loose.

All the great business people have struggled to get successful it`s that belief that keeps them going.

Unfortunatly after a small period of time larger business see`s a chance to expand, use the name of the product to eventually sell there crap using the name of the quality product that was the original.

examples can be seen all over the Car Industry, look at Rolls Royce, Aston Martin etc etc etc.

I no expert in the Internet business, but if Simon and the boys are making bucks and lots of them it`s only natural people with the power too remove them will want a slice.

Originally posted by NGC2736
Well, I'll be glad to stand up and say that I'm proud to be a member here. This is a fine place to learn and discuss, to stretch one's mind out a bit.

I second that.

Those who feel concerned at this recent (and honest) turn of events, obviously haven't been here very long. You will learn that ATS is not just cosmetically different from other discussion forums, but totally different.

Do not cry over 'killtown'. I for one am suprised he wasn't removed long ago.

Personnally I don`t care about anybody being banned or 9/11.It is a subject similar to JFK it will go on for decades, without any real substance.Sure the truth will be there but without insider knowledge nobody else will ever know or believe.If I were to have the truth there`d be so much debate argueing etc etc etc that it is useless info.

Personnally I would recommend a total ban on 9/11 being disscussed.Let the small sites deal with it.This would result in a loss of a huge amount of traffic but my opinion is if this site is to be the best it will only be judged by the quality of its content/contribution than by traffic.And you would also then reduce your costs/outlay.I think a risk needs to be made too which direction ATS wants to go.

Either quality or Quantity.One brings money the other brings Satisfaction

Originally posted by nescafe8572
This would result in a loss of a huge amount of traffic

Not really... 9/11 issues have been declining in popularity for some time...
About ATS -- check the forum stats.
Survey -- check the response to 9/11 topics.

And, I feel that limitations on any broad topic with actually hurt ATS's credibility.

Originally posted by nescafe8572

More like a good quality product.

I agree with your entire response, but I was speaking more about how everyone on ATS is allowed to have a voice, state their opinions, ask questions and respectively be heard.

That's not always the case with the American legislation system these days. I know when I've asked question of Moderators on here they've always responded with kind, intelligent, prompt answers. Somtimes when you write letters, make phone calls, drop an email, or simply ask a direct question to some political leaders you do not always get a timely response, if they feel inclined to respond at all.

What I was trying to convey is that sometimes in the United States it would seem people only have a "voice" when it's convienient for a political leader to benefit in some fashion from representing your questions or suggestions. On ATS everyone has this basic right.

Originally posted by nescafe8572

I no expert in the Internet business, but if Simon and the boys are making bucks and lots of them it`s only natural people with the power too remove them will want a slice.

Now there is the possibility for an interesting discussion...net-mafia. Are there little pockets that buy "hit-men" to cause problems for other groups that they disagree with or did not pay their "protection" money?

Personnally I would recommend a total ban on 9/11 being disscussed.Let the small sites deal with it.This would result in a loss of a huge amount of traffic but my opinion is if this site is to be the best it will only be judged by the quality of its content/contribution than by traffic.And you would also then reduce your costs/outlay.I think a risk needs to be made too which direction ATS wants to go.

Either quality or Quantity.One brings money the other brings Satisfaction

I guess you missed that part about this site being open, with no subjects banned? I know the concept is a bit odd, considering the agenda driven sites all over.

And since you have such "sound" advice for what this site ought to do, maybe you could explain how you know these things so well? Where does your own web site sit in volume and income?

See, I'll come right out and say it, MY OPINION ONLY, you're a killtown clone. You real reason to be here is to try and get a few "points" to use on another site. And it would really be nice if you could report back there that the whole 9/11 forum was shut down on ATS. You could brag how 'we' were not able to talk about that over here. How 'we' were censored over here, leaving you and your little friends as the "last true voice" in the matter of 9/11.

So, IMO, the best thing I can do with you is exactly what I did when I saw the direction killtown was going, I'll just turn a blind eye to ignorance.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord


And, I feel that limitations on any broad topic with actually hurt ATS's credibility.

I can imagine dealing with peoples opinion`s must give you guys some headaches.

Hopefully 9/11 interest will die out naturally, it could be a reason why people want to make a drama on the net.

I don`t think ceasing 9/11 disscussion would hurt ATS too much, you might gain credit and you might get people to say "hey you know what those guys got the balls to say enough is enough this is a waste and frankly bad for Conspiricy disscussion, every base has been covered".

Might help just to run a vote system where people simple vote "do you believe 9/11 was govt run or a terrorist act".No opinions debate just votes.

Works in politics you only need a few months debate then a vote and eventually a conclusion.

I absolutely agree with stopping the whole 911 area, as it never really progresses beyond getting new members to the site.

Where I do believe that all have an opinion and are entitled to it, i feel that this topic has been discussed to death and then re-born then murdered again and again and again.

More focus can be made on other areas

Valorian

Originally posted by Ahabstar


Now there is the possibility for an interesting discussion...net-mafia. Are there little pockets that buy "hit-men" to cause problems for other groups that they disagree with or did not pay their "protection" money?

Nothing to do with Mafia or illegal.Large companies see growth and buy whilst the small company is still cheap enough to make a quick return.You obviously never heard of Private Equity Companies.They buy cheap strip out and sell for a profit.They don`t care about the product or its people, simple profit gain and low loss risk.

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Originally posted by Valorian
I absolutely agree with stopping the whole 911 area, as it never really progresses beyond getting new members to the site.

Well that's an interesting idea, but can you tell me which of the forums here do show any progress towards a final resolution?

I completely disagree with shutting anything down. Information continues to come forward and this is an excellent place to disseminate and dissect.

Whether it be the UFO/Alien topic (sure no "resolution" there), 911, Cryptids, or anything else.

Originally posted by NGC2736

I guess you missed that part about this site being open, with no subjects banned? I know the concept is a bit odd, considering the agenda driven sites all over.

The admin have the right to change the business plan at any time.

And since you have such "sound" advice for what this site ought to do, maybe you could explain how you know these things so well? Where does your own web site sit in volume and income?

I`m a multi millionaire thats why in the middle of the working day I`m here debate with you kind folk.

See, I'll come right out and say it, MY OPINION ONLY, you're a killtown clone. You real reason to be here is to try and get a few "points" to use on another site. And it would really be nice if you could report back there that the whole 9/11 forum was shut down on ATS. You could brag how 'we' were not able to talk about that over here. How 'we' were censored over here, leaving you and your little friends as the "last true voice" in the matter of 9/11.

I`m glad thats only your opinion and not any psychic ability.

So, IMO, the best thing I can do with you is exactly what I did when I saw the direction killtown was going, I'll just turn a blind eye to ignorance.

Umm OK then.

would a real "multi millionare" really go around bragging about it on the net?

Are you here to try to buy into ATS?

Originally posted by elevatedone
would a real "multi millionare" really go around bragging about it on the net?

Are you here to try to buy into ATS?

Yes I`m in the process of contacting Simon now, and if he dosn`t accept my offer, I`m well connected

Originally posted by nescafe8572


Yes I`m in the process of contacting Simon now, and if he dosn`t accept my offer, I`m well connected

If Im not mistaken that sounds like a veiled threat to the owners of ATS.

Originally posted by etshrtslr


If Im not mistaken that sounds like a veiled threat to the owners of ATS.

it was a joke...........DUH

An example of a threat would be" I`ll kill him if he doesn`t", being well connected isn`t a threat.It could mean I know his partner and I`ll get them to sing "99 bottles of beer on the wall" until he gives in.

Sorry I now this is of topic and childish but it warrant`s my attention as being accused of make threats is serious and not my intention.