Virgin Mary visits South African teen

Virgin Mary visits South African teen

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Johannesburg - Hundreds of people of all religious persuasions are flocking to be blessed by a 17-year-old girl who claims to have had visions of the Virgin Mary around her home.

She said the visions seemed to come at an opportune time for her daughter who had finished school and was going through a transitional period in her life.

"I think this is her calling."

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I don't know what to say of this... Can be a teen with good acting skills and is seeking attention in a unorthodox manner, or she is actually telling the truth.

I can't remember where I read it, but she said something about "the end of the world is here" (or something similar)... couldn't find it. But I doubt the "the end of the world" is here, in anyway. Or close, for that matter.

What does everyone think about this? Real prophet... or Drama queen?

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The Virgin Mary predicted the end of the world at Fatima too, if I remember correctly.

I am sympathetic to people having religious visions. If I can believe in ghosts and UFOs, why not religious visions? Who am I to say that the universe is or is not complicated in one way or another?

I always find it interesting when people say they see a picture of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich or they've had a vision of Mary. How do these people know what Jesus or Mary looked like? Just because they see a dude with long hair on a piece of grilled bread, does that mean it was Jesus?

Anybody have any photos of Mary that we can compare her visions to? Nope, didn't think so.

She is correct, and the Vision is genuine.
Just like the Fatima kids. If the Church considered it to be classified AND eventually only released a watered down version of the 3rd secret, i take it very seriously.
Vatican officials that have read the true Third secret have sometimes come out of the woodwork and reiterrated the true third secret. Which speaks of the destruction of the Church, a devestating 3rd World war and an end of times scenario by an impacting comet... Why you think they built an observatory and have been tagteaming with NASA for years... They all know what is coming. But the information is classified as it would cause panic and become a threat to national security and stability.

Originally posted by closettrekkie
I always find it interesting when people say they see a picture of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich or they've had a vision of Mary. How do these people know what Jesus or Mary looked like? Just because they see a dude with long hair on a piece of grilled bread, does that mean it was Jesus?

Anybody have any photos of Mary that we can compare her visions to? Nope, didn't think so.

It is not always so, but most of the time the people who have visions of the virgin Mary, and or Jesus were usually brought up in religious families who normally have in their homes, or have seen representations of both religious figures. Now if they see the vision of a figure which resembles the religious figures they were brought up to believe in they will recognize them as those figures don't you think?

I could be wrong but I believe that those figures are some sort of ultradimensional beings which appear, normally when there is a message they need to deliver, and take the form according to the belief of the person who sees them.

Some people really see such figures while others "think they saw something" but it could have been their imagination at play.

Seeing religious figures in a sandwhich, etc, imo is no really a religious/spiritual experience. If you look hard enough into a mosaic of swirling shades, and different shapes you are bound to find something which looks humanoid.

Originally posted by closettrekkie
I always find it interesting when people say they see a picture of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich or they've had a vision of Mary. How do these people know what Jesus or Mary looked like? Just because they see a dude with long hair on a piece of grilled bread, does that mean it was Jesus?

Anybody have any photos of Mary that we can compare her visions to? Nope, didn't think so.

Well, there is historic representation in statues, fresco's, paintings, and the likes. Though im sure the acuracy is off slightly, it can be safely assumbed that those images hold some similarities to the actual actors they are taken from. The idea is a holy spirit is taking a recognizable form, at least thats how ive understood it.

Frankly the whole end times vision scenario never really made sense to me. Why tell us days, months, years, or minutes in advance when theres nothing we can do to stop it?

I guess so we can repent, but if all it takes to save ourselves is to repent, then why kill the species off in the first place? Why not float down on a cloud and say "look, im God, repent and believe, or ill obliterate your species." ?

I'm no art historian, but I always was under the impression that those pieces of art and frescos were done way after Christ had died. What makes them an accurate portrait of what he looked like? Again, maybe I'm wrong, but are there any pics of him from when he was actually alive?

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
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Frankly the whole end times vision scenario never really made sense to me. Why tell us days, months, years, or minutes in advance when theres nothing we can do to stop it?

To prepare. the world is not going to end, imo these "beings" are able to see the future, and for them it appears for all intent and purposes that "the world is going to end", when imo what will happen is that a lot of changes are coming, changes which will cause chaos and destruction and people will have to fight and/or run to survive, but at the end some people will survive.

This has happened many times in the history of the world, when people had to leave entire cities, or died, because of some catastrophe or another.

We are in a time of change and many of these changes will "appear to bring the end of the world", just like it appeared to be "the end of the world" for people in ages past when similar changes happened.


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Originally posted by closettrekkie
I'm no art historian, but I always was under the impression that those pieces of art and frescos were done way after Christ had died. What makes them an accurate portrait of what he looked like? Again, maybe I'm wrong, but are there any pics of him from when he was actually alive?

Nor am i an art historian. I think the major point is people believe they see things akin to religious figures and believe whatever they want/whatever they've been taught. Jesus or Mary could have had 7 eyes and 3 arms, but so long as the historical representation of them shows them as being human, people will accept it. If you've ever hallucinated (purposely or not) the hallucinations generally draw from images you've seen threwout your life, generally speaking of course (there are those hallucinations you simply cannot explain.)

Edit to add: You have a very interesting take on world religion and spiritualism Muaddib, have you ever looked into spiritualism through alteration of preception, and the resulting visions?

[edit on 12-6-2007 by InSpiteOf]

Satan is called the great deceiver for a reason. Using visions of Mary would not be beneath him. This is most evil, because when God chooses to send messages he uses angels. At least that is what I read in the Bible.

I dont see any"supernatural"aspects regarding the girls sightings in that story.As anyone knows the girls from fatima had all displayed unusual phenomina.Like walking backwards,eyes insensitive to bright light etc.I do believe ive read while in trance state during marys visit the children couldnt be moved by several strong men!

What if it is a deviant being that is just playing with people?

Did anyone ever think about that?

I dont know if this is real or demonic. There's a fine line there somewhere.

Who knows!

We got any covert intel guys here, I would love to know what she saw!

Heard an so forth, That my friends would be the Money shot!


Beings playing jokes I dunno, think about it, Your a being on earth bored, Your dead or simply just here for some unknown reason, I kinda doubt they would be playing tricks like this. Plus what about the counter balance beings, the ones regulating the afterlife?

I agree with what InSpiteOf and Muaddib has posted so far, many of the reasons people get visions base on religious faith and believes are influence by the perception they have of their surroundings and what they heard about what is going on in the world.

If you live in a environment full of disasters, death and wars the perception you will have of the future is one that may involved some deliverance from higher spiritual source, because is nothing else that at this point can bring to you any other good news.

Having visions of the end of the world or visions of spiritual beings may be the desire to end what is wrong and evil around us and the hope to be moving into a better state of being even if it means death to all.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
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Edit to add: You have a very interesting take on world religion and spiritualism Muaddib, have you ever looked into spiritualism through alteration of preception, and the resulting visions?

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but perception changes from person to person, as an example to someone who might look at my truck they will think the color of the truck is blue, but to me the color of the truck is green. My truck has that sort of paint which seems to be both blue and green. But most people see it as blue, I see it as green. There is nothing wrong with my eyes btw...

If what you are asking is if i have looked into spiritualism by altering perception through drugs, I have never had to use any drugs of any kind to have the spiritual experiences I have had.

I am not so sure this is some genetic trait, since many people in my family have never had such spiritual experiences. However i do have an uncle who as a young boy in many ocasions he claimed to have seen the virgin Mary, mostly up in a tree, and everytime he saw her, he said he smelled roses, and his face would turn up white to anyone who saw him when he saw this figure of light.

Although the figure he saw was not evil, or portrayed any evil feelings, as he would say, he was always scared, and would cry running to my grandmother, on my mother side, telling her what he saw. I became aware of this in my 20s.

As a young child I saw a figure which i can only describe as a humanoid figure of light. The lights would go out everytime at almost the same time at night in my apartment, when i was very young in Spain, while both my parents were working til late at night.

I would often look outside and see that the light on the apartments in the building in front of ours were on, but i never got out of our apartment to see if the the lights were out in the entire building. I was about 8-10 years old back then.

I knew it would happen every nigth, so I actually had some candles ready for when it happened. One night while the lights were off I saw the figure of light, I got scared and hid behind a chair. When i mustered enough courage and looked again the figure had gone to my room and i only saw half of it's body, as the other half was hidden by the entrance to my room. I got scared once more when I saw it again and ran to the kitchen.

At another time before my grandmother on my father's side died, we went to visit her at her home and were helping her clean the house when suddenly she yelled and pointed at the wall, i saw some swirling lights of different colors in the wall and there was no apparent source for the ligth, my grandmother and my mother said they saw the virgin Mary in that light, and although i wanted to believe them all i saw were swirling lights of different colors with no apparent source, and i could not discern any humanoid shape.

There were no windows in that part of the house. I looked for over 20 minutes trying to find the source of the light and colors, but there was nothing. We didn't have the lights on because the front door was open, and the natural light was lighting the room. I stood in front of the entryway to the room and looked around there trying to see if there was anything distorting the natural light and giving out those colors, but even the angle of where the lights appeared was wrong in reference to where the natural light was coming from.

Anyways, after about 10 minutes the lights just dissapeared.

Anyways i know full well by experience that there is more to life in the universe than what most people can see or experience.

Many people are just brought up not to believe in the spiritual part of the Universe, others are brought up to believe that if you don't immediately declare it is in the name of Jesus, then it is the work of the devil. There are people who have experienced the spiritual, and since they were brought up in certain religious circles, they ascribe those experiences as part of their religions, while others can see and experience the spiritual despite their upbringing, and because of their experiences see it a bit different than "being a religious" experience.

I was lucky enough to be born with certain skills/gifts that most people don't have. On the one side i always thought these skills were gifts for me to realize there is more to this world than what can only be seen by most people. On the other it did brought a lot of pain and suffering, in the one part because my own mother thought for many years as i was young this was something to do with the devil, since she could not see these things, and i was able to tell her things that would happen before they happened. I would tell her without realizing, it would just blurt out whatever poped into my mind when I saw something happening somewhere else in my mind.

Since my mother was brought up as a very devout Roman Catholic, she did the same to me, and put me in religious circles such as Opus Dei in Spain, these sort of spiritual experiences are considered by many in the clergy as "acts of the devil", and that's what I was taught to believe, but I never believed their claims.

I was taken to doctors to "see what was wrong with me", and after catscans, and other sorts of medical examinations" my mother was told on several ocassions there was nothing wrong with me.

Slowly but surely i helped change her mind. Many things both my mother and father didn't believe in for many years changed because of those spiritual experiences.

On many occasions, mostly in my late teens these gifts would manifest themselves physically. The tv in rooms where I was in would turn on and off by themselves, the dial on the wall AC in my room would move and turn on without anyone touching it, etc, both my parents saw in many occasions these occurrences.

I guess after years of me telling them things, explaining it to them, and them seeing things which "shouldn't be happening" they started opening up and they are a bit more open minded now than they used to be.

All of this is my opinion according to those spiritual experiences I have had.

I have also been lucky enough to know at least some of the "UFO" phenomenon is also real, as in a couple of occasions i have seen ships that could in no way have been built by us. I have seen those both while in the military, in one occasion, and as a civilian in at least two occasions.

My own parents didn't believe for a long time until they saw a triangular ship fly over them at night as they were going home. They stopped their car and got out and saw this thing. According to them it was at least bigger than a baseball field.

A lot of people are not lucky enough to experience or see such things, so it is only normal for these people not to believe, some people don't want to believe even if they experience something they can't explain, but even through science we know that there are energies, and parallel universes where things exist which vibrate at a level the regular person cannot see, or experience.

Everything in the Universe, and multiverses has a certain rate of vibration, and depending on that rate of vibration that energy exists either as pure energy, or as matter. There are a whole myriad of other energies in between the "material" and "pure energy" states, and many of the spiritual things people experience are part of this realm. Just because most people can't see, or experience these energies, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anyways, there are better ways than "using drugs" to being able to experience the spiritual, but imo this is something not everyone is prepared for, nor everyone should be able to see and know these things.

Many people will literally go crazy if their minds was open to spiritual experiences.


[edit on 12-6-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by marg6043
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If you live in a environment full of disasters, death and wars the perception you will have of the future is one that may involved some deliverance from higher spiritual source, because is nothing else that at this point can bring to you any other good news.

Having visions of the end of the world or visions of spiritual beings may be the desire to end what is wrong and evil around us and the hope to be moving into a better state of being even if it means death to all.

In some occasions what you say could be possible, but this is not so always.

I started having visions of the future when i was a little boy, and I wasn't "gleefully running around thinking about death and destruction".

Whether you, or other members want to believe it or not, I don't like wars either, or violence, or seeing bad things happen to many people in the world, but bad things do happen to good people unfortunately.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Anyways, there are better ways than "using drugs" to being able to experience the spiritual, but imo this is something not everyone is prepared for nor everyone should be able to see and know these things.

Many people will literally go crazy if their minds was open to spiritual experiences.

I was just courious as to what you had experianced to bring you to your previously stated beliefs, and having read your recent post, i can certainly see how you would develope your point of view.

As for the use of mind altering substances, yes that was the point i was driving at. I was wondering if you had any experiance with spiritual molecules (the views you previously posted on other demintional beings parallel with the views of many psychonauts.)

By the way, thats quite the interesting history.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

I was just courious as to what you had experianced to bring you to your previously stated beliefs, and having read your recent post, i can certainly see how you would develope your point of view.

I have been able to see and experienced many things spiritually, and naturally. To this day i still do, but it is a bit different.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
As for the use of mind altering substances, yes that was the point i was driving at. I was wondering if you had any experiance with spiritual molecules (the views you previously posted on other demintional beings parallel with the views of many psychonauts.)

By the way, thats quite the interesting history.

Using drugs to alter your mind is the worse way to try to experience the spiritual. Mind altering drugs, all of them, leave you open to all sorts of influences and beings, what some call demonic.

As a piece of advice, never use any sort of mind altering drug.

There are better, and natural ways to start training yourself to experience the spiritual.

Some people can achieve a trancelike state and experience the spiritual by listening to certain songs/music, meditation, praying, etc. There are other natural ways, which are faster but kind of also leave you open to a lot of things which you might not want to see/hear and experience, those other natural ways (nothing to do with any drugs, or any satanic rituals or anything like that...) should only be used by people who are ready to experience the spiritual side, and not many people are ready for such experiences.

PS: If you are supposed to, and if you are ready to experience the spiritual, you will experience it.

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