Where can we go six years later....

I have realized that it is almost 6 years post 9/11 and there is still some debate over what happened, and who was involved. What is the driving force behind the research, the conspiracy, the players, the government, the terrorists and the people who still cannot grasp what happened that day.

Is it denial, need for attention or the search for the truth? That is all there is in this arguement, and after reading many of these posts and bieng a part of them, I think there is no longer light at the end of a tunnel for some, closure for others and the still the need for attention for others still.

There are 3 sides to every arguement, yours, mine and the truth and that is what we have with the 9/11 conspiracies. You have the people who saw a plane hit the towers, people who were there to see the people fall. People who were there to see the towers collpase. People who were there who searched through the aftermath for their comrades. There were millions of people watching it live. Millions of people mourning the next day. Is it time to let this go and look for closure to the personal feelings we hold for what happened that day?

Is it the fact that we dislike the government and if there is something to discredit it, we will jump on the bandwagon and talk to anyone who will listen. If you do not listen, then you are blind to the world is the most common response. How can this be? Who am I to believe. I have one side telling me the media is evil, one side telling me the government is evil and another that tells me we need to protect ourselves so it does not happen again. Where do we go from here?


What direction can those who doubt the official story and those who concur with the 9/11 commission and the NISt reports go in to make sure that closure can be provided for all. Remember, 3000 people died in one day for nothing more than doing their job. That is what should be remebered about 9/11, not shaving 1000's of seconds from data to fit an opinion.

So I ask, where can we go?

Originally posted by esdad71
Remember, 3000 people died in one day for nothing more than doing their job. That is what should be remebered about 9/11, not shaving 1000's of seconds from data to fit an opinion.

And many thousands more have died in its wake in the War on Terror. Its a war started on a murderous lie and needs to end.

I am not here to talk about the War on Terror. That would have occured even if 9/11 did not happen. We went into Iraq based on UN sanctions he did not adhere to and intelligence that I still believe was correct in stating that he had WMD's, chemicla and bio. More than 3000 US and coalition forces have died in last 6 years from Afghanistan to Iraq to areas we never hear about because it is not released and putaway somewhere.

back on topic, where can we go six years later?

Originally posted by esdad71
I have realized that it is almost 6 years post 9/11 and there is still some debate over what happened, and who was involved. What is the driving force behind the research, the conspiracy, the players, the government, the terrorists and the people who still cannot grasp what happened that day.

Is it denial, need for attention or the search for the truth? That is all there is in this arguement, and after reading many of these posts and bieng a part of them, I think there is no longer light at the end of a tunnel for some, closure for others and the still the need for attention for others still.

There are 3 sides to every arguement, yours, mine and the truth and that is what we have with the 9/11 conspiracies. You have the people who saw a plane hit the towers, people who were there to see the people fall. People who were there to see the towers collpase. People who were there who searched through the aftermath for their comrades. There were millions of people watching it live. Millions of people mourning the next day. Is it time to let this go and look for closure to the personal feelings we hold for what happened that day?

Is it the fact that we dislike the government and if there is something to discredit it, we will jump on the bandwagon and talk to anyone who will listen. If you do not listen, then you are blind to the world is the most common response. How can this be? Who am I to believe. I have one side telling me the media is evil, one side telling me the government is evil and another that tells me we need to protect ourselves so it does not happen again. Where do we go from here?


What direction can those who doubt the official story and those who concur with the 9/11 commission and the NISt reports go in to make sure that closure can be provided for all. Remember, 3000 people died in one day for nothing more than doing their job. That is what should be remebered about 9/11, not shaving 1000's of seconds from data to fit an opinion.

So I ask, where can we go?

I honestly didnt think the goverment had any involvement at first. But the more I looked at it, the more I realized it was obvious.

1. physical evidence - burning jet fuel will never be hot enough to melt the structural steel according to hundreds of college professors involved with the truth movement. In addition, there is physical evidence from steel samples left that show thermate was responsible and therefore someone must have added this before the jets hit the towers. This isnt my opinion, these are cold hard facts based on steel samples and video showing thermate reacting.

2. I find it very hard to believe that a bunch of uneducated cave dwellers could possibly fly a commercial jet into a building and control the passengers with nothing more than box cutters. We now know from Operation Northwood declassified documents that the govt in the past has considered using remote control technology to crash planes. Commercial jets are quite difficult to fly, nobody taking a few classes on small planes could possibly learn enough to maneuver one, much less fly them several hundred miles and hit their target. I think its very likely that these jets were remotely crashed into the towers.

3. There were training exercises happening that morning of sept 11th. Amazingly the scenario was an attack on the pentagon and the trade center towers. This is a classic diversion used by govts in the past to throw off anyone listening so they'd mistake it for the exercise. They used this tactic again in the UK for the bus bombings. This is also done in case any police were to stumble across a govt agent doing this nefarious deed, gives them a way to get away by claiming exercise.

4. one of the "terrorist" passport amazingly was found down the road after the attacks. We the idiot public bought this ridiculous story that somehow one of the terrorist's passport managed to survive the impact, get blown out of a raging inferno, and conveniently land on top of billions of tons of rubble so we could find it.

5. invasion plans for afghanistan were already drawn up and ready a day before the attacks took place. Negotiations had been ongoing for months with the taliban to build an oil pipeline but had failed.

6. not a single piece of evidence exists to support the govt's claim that a plane hit the pentagon. All evidence points to a missile instead. The security cameras from the local stores across the street from the pentagon were immediately seized after the attack. The one video released to the public doesnt show any plane hitting the pentagon

7. and the biggest piece of evidence of all...somehow NORAD and the local air defense managed to not bother to scramble a single jet to shoot down anything. F-16's were less than 6 miles from the pentagon and yet never left the ground. Only someone very high up in the govt could have ordered NORAD and the airforce to stand down to let the attacks happen.

There is no doubt in my mind that the govt remotely controlled those planes and crashed them. If flight 93 hadnt been seen to have crashed, I bet the govt would have used another cruise missile against the capitol building (the alleged target of flight 93). There were thermate charges already in place when those planes hit. WTC7 building obviously came down from this controlled destruction.

Operation Northwood, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and others all prove the govt is definitely capable of doing 9/11

Originally posted by esdad71
I am not here to talk about the War on Terror. That would have occured even if 9/11 did not happen. We went into Iraq based on UN sanctions he did not adhere to and intelligence that I still believe was correct in stating that he had WMD's, chemicla and bio. More than 3000 US and coalition forces have died in last 6 years from Afghanistan to Iraq to areas we never hear about because it is not released and putaway somewhere.

back on topic, where can we go six years later?

There arent any weapons of mass destruction. We're still looking and its obvious they dont exist.

The UN inspectors said prior to the invasion they didnt exist.

So why this war...simple...

The sanctions were going to be lifted since Iraq had complied. Who would benefit from this...the govt of France who had oil contracts in place once the sanctions were gone.

Who benefited after the invasion...well it certainly wasnt France who was tol by Bush that only american companies and their allies would get contracts.

The war on terror is a complete joke. Its the dream war brought to you by corporations. Terrorists have no borders, therefore the war can last forever and anyone can be labeled a terrorist

OK,Ok. I understand the anger on the war, but that is not what the post was about. It was about where are we to go 6 years later when there is no new evidence and it has come down to holograms, right/left wing conspiracy and, as some have stated on here, junk science to fit theory.


What direction can the country move in to come to closure on 9/11. Do we need another commission that will cost millions of dollars, or do we take the disinfo and anger and put it to a postive force in our communties so that 20 years from now maybe your kids will not be living under a different flag or impoverished by their own government.

I guess what I am asking is, Is it time to let it go and come to terms with the cold, undeniable facts of September 11th, 2001, and which way do we go? A cross roads is appearing leading up to the 2008 elections. Do we allow people to use 9/11 as sympathy as well as smearing? WHen is it time to let go.

Originally posted by esdad71
OK,Ok. I understand the anger on the war, but that is not what the post was about. It was about where are we to go 6 years later when there is no new evidence and it has come down to holograms, right/left wing conspiracy and, as some have stated on here, junk science to fit theory.


What direction can the country move in to come to closure on 9/11. Do we need another commission that will cost millions of dollars, or do we take the disinfo and anger and put it to a postive force in our communties so that 20 years from now maybe your kids will not be living under a different flag or impoverished by their own government.

I guess what I am asking is, Is it time to let it go and come to terms with the cold, undeniable facts of September 11th, 2001, and which way do we go? A cross roads is appearing leading up to the 2008 elections. Do we allow people to use 9/11 as sympathy as well as smearing? WHen is it time to let go.

It sounds to me that you dont think the govt or elements of it had any involvement. Using terms like junk science or conspiracy theories shows this.

There wont be any "moving on" for people like me. Not until everyone wakes up and understands whats really happening here.

A commision wont solve anything. It would never be independent. Like all previous commisions, it would be filled with folks who have no interest in the truth coming out. And even if one did manage to accomplish this, so what. Look at the later commissions (after the warren commission), they determined that indeed there was a conspiracy behind JFK's murder and likely others were involved. Did anyone care or protest, did anyone go to jail...NO.

I think eventually it will come down to a revolution. Perhaps the govt will label me a terrorist but theyre wrong. Our founding fathers believed it was the right of americans to rise up and overthrow the govt if it isnt functioning to serve the interests of the people. And its obvious the govt isnt...its a servant to corporate interests now. We have the right to bear arms. That right wasnt given to use so we could hunt deer and turkey.

As far as the election goes, I see no hope unless a miracle occurs and Ron Paul manages to get the GOP nomination. Otherwise, all the other candidates are just tools.

And you should be ashamed. Saying its time to let go is disgusting. Was anyone jailed for murdering 3000 people yet ? Are any of the corporations being held accountable for profiting off the suffering of the iraqi people ? No letting go for people like me until the people responsible are imprisoned

[edit on 12-6-2007 by admriker444]

Well it depends if we want peace and order in a one world Government, or constant secular, religeous wars forever?
If the NWO get their own way we will be living in a strict police like state, with no borders, a single religion, a one world currency, having Governers from our areas that form a one World Government, of course this will be after 2/3 of the people of the World are dead after a terrible 3rd World War and a possible Alien attack.
Or they wont get their own way and we carry on as we are, but with the terrible worry of renegade nations producing dangerous weapons and probably destroying the World as we know it.
For me the NWO's option is the only way, after the initial hardships, we can live fairly well and progress as a species, it may sound harsh, but imo it is better than the alternative, which is a road to ruin for our glorious Earth.
It is time to be patriotic for our World, and enter the New Age with optimism.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Well it depends if we want peace and order in a one world Government, or constant secular, religeous wars forever?
If the NWO get their own way we will be living in a strict police like state, with no borders, a single religion, a one world currency, having Governers from our areas that form a one World Government, of course this will be after 2/3 of the people of the World are dead after a terrible 3rd World War and a possible Alien attack.
Or they wont get their own way and we carry on as we are, but with the terrible worry of renegade nations producing dangerous weapons and probably destroying the World as we know it.
For me the NWO's option is the only way, after the initial hardships, we can live fairly well and progress as a species, it may sound harsh, but imo it is better than the alternative, which is a road to ruin for our glorious Earth.
It is time to be patriotic for our World, and enter the New Age with optimism.

I would suggest a 3rd option.

A one-world govt using the US Constitution as a template. The elimination of the monetary system. No more corporate greed = much more peaceful world.

As long as money of any kind exists, the world remain as it is.

from admriker444

And you should be ashamed. Saying its time to let go is disgusting. Was anyone jailed for murdering 3000 people yet ? Are any of the corporations being held accountable for profiting off the suffering of the iraqi people ? No letting go for people like me until the people responsible are imprisoned

I think you are mistaking what I am stating. You have already pigeonholed me to be a Neocon since I used the word junk science. This is what I was trying to get across. Unless people can work together there is no hope for our country. A revolution? You want a revolution from people who are to wrapped up in Ipods and lattes. I am trying to stated that we should let go of the past and look to something to do for the future, not to forget but to venture in another direction.

You post exemplifies the state of the nation. ANyone who is not Paul is a tool? This shows narrow minded thinking. Please do not try to derail this thread, I was hoping to hear some actual ideas rather than partisan bashing.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by selfless]

Oh selfless, you have to U2Ume what you edited. C'mon, that is the point of this thread. I want new blood, a direction to take if we are to change this nation and if people feel that our government could have purpotrated 9/11, it is a sad day in the State of the union.

You are not going to get any where with the 9/11 crowd. They and others will see "conspiracy" in everything, to them their is no truth. Just wild claims over and over again. From 3rd generation nukes....to no planes, the list gets longer every day.

And with all these wild claims it seems that the conspiracy ones should start arguing amongst themselves pretty soon to whos claim is more valid. Their are just way to many different "conspiracy theories" to hold any water.

In todays world it seems easier to place the blame of every tragidy on the white males of the USA, from 9/11 to Katrina, if its a disater it most likely was the white american male behind it. Even the NWO folks get in on this one!

George Bush is apperantly the devil, yet america has never been attacked since 9/11!!?? Well how many other world leaders can say that? Yet none the less he and americans alike are scrutinized day in day out!! It doesnt even matter the topic, you pick, And you can find a thread here on ATS about how GW, or americans in generall are responsible.

Just watch the replies that quote me that are soon to follow, you will see what I mean.

Anyway six years from now??? Who knows.

Originally posted by redseal
You are not going to get any where with the 9/11 crowd. They and others will see "conspiracy" in everything, to them their is no truth. Just wild claims over and over again. From 3rd generation nukes....to no planes, the list gets longer every day.

You DO know that this is a conspiracy site, right?

George Bush is apperantly the devil, yet america has never been attacked since 9/11!!?? Well how many other world leaders can say that? Yet none the less he and americans alike are scrutinized day in day out!! It doesnt even matter the topic, you pick, And you can find a thread here on ATS about how GW, or americans in generall are responsible.

Just watch the replies that quote me that are soon to follow, you will see what I mean.

No ones twisting your arm to stay here dude. Feel free to use this:




Did you expect that reply?

intrepid,

You speak what most of us were thinking.

Way to go

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by redseal
You are not going to get any where with the 9/11 crowd. They and others will see "conspiracy" in everything, to them their is no truth. Just wild claims over and over again. From 3rd generation nukes....to no planes, the list gets longer every day.

You DO know that this is a conspiracy site, right?

Well I would say its "about" conspiracy, but in whole I like to think of it as a "Truth" finding website. What makes your truth more valid than mine?

George Bush is apperantly the devil, yet america has never been attacked since 9/11!!?? Well how many other world leaders can say that? Yet none the less he and americans alike are scrutinized day in day out!! It doesnt even matter the topic, you pick, And you can find a thread here on ATS about how GW, or americans in generall are responsible.

[qoute]Just watch the replies that quote me that are soon to follow, you will see what I mean.

No ones twisting your arm to stay here dude. Feel free to use this:

Did you expect that reply?

See that right their is the point, if you dont agree with them they want you to leave. Even some of the moderators here as shown above.

Originally posted by redseal
See that right their is the point, if you dont agree with them they want you to leave. Even some of the moderators here as shown above.

You funny dude. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm here for the politics. That's my thang. Your thang? Stirring up trouble? Then I call it. Don't like it, you've seen the door.

Originally posted by selfless
intrepid,

You speak what most of us were thinking.

Way to go

And here again, it just never stops!

So totally based on "Your truth", you will either be a hero (for believing GW, was behind it all), or an outcast for thinking outside of the norm.

This seems to be what that mass u2u was all about, but fell on many a def ear.

Originally posted by redseal
See that right their is the point, if you dont agree with them they want you to leave. Even some of the moderators here as shown above.

What do you expect?...

You are a registered member on a CONSPIRACY THEORY message board and all you do is ridicule conspiracy theorists or conspiracies...

How is it possible that you have intentions that goes beyond the realm of a troll?

Most forums share a common interest and the interest of this forum is conspiracy theories. So why do you come to a place you ridicule?

Let's say a person were to go on a forum for hockey fans and then a person registers to that forum and all he do is tell others that hockey sucks. That's basically what you are demonstrating redseal.

So don't be surprised by intrepid 's comment about your conflict of interests.

OK guys, let's get back to the topic, what was it?

Oh yeah- Where can we go six years later.