Iran threatens Gulf blitz if US hits nuclear plants

Originally posted by sy.gunson
...and if we wait until those missiles have nuclear tipped warheads he will use them anyway, so I say bite the bullet and do it now.

Thank you Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for removing all doubt what a threat Iran is.

So Iran is a "threat" because they will retaliate if attacked? They're an even greater "threat" if they can use nukes to strike back, or is it they're a threat if "we" cannot simply attack them without fear of nuclear counter measures, meaning "we" can't simply attack them whenever "we" want?

The hypocrisy in this country is obscene.

Originally posted by Dallas
Iran must be dealt with to incapacitate their nuclear ambitions.

Who are "we" to say whether or not another nation can embrace nuclear power?

Iran must be dealt with to incapacitate their funneling subversives into Iraq at present which are responsible for many injuries and deaths of coalition Soldiers.

So if Iran invaded Canada out of aggression, would Iran deserve to then bomb and invade US for sending the freedom fighters there resources and help?

Devilwasp,

the UK/Great Britain does not possess any nuclear weapons. All the weapons nominally "owned" by the UK/GB are located in the Norfolk Naval Yards in Virginia USA. The UK/GB has to ask permission of the septics for access.

What is wrong with the idea of 'simply' bringing the troops home, protecting the US borders and spending the billions on the US poor (and needy)? Let everyone know we are done, but screw the US once and glass parking lots will be arranged?
A few honest politicians can avert a 9/11 to blame on another country. It's not all about blowing # up. Our knowledge and wealth (of the few) can make some serious strides in the world today.
As a side note, my wife and I cashed in our 401's and IRA's to avoid losing our home. Sad stuff and the only recourse is to have the feds 'take; it. $38,000 in taxes and penalties plus another 13 G in taxes due next April. I only delay our loss and that should not be so if our (US) gov gave a #. Not really proud at this moment in time.

No, you are right. Flatten 'them'.

Sorry for a sour first post under this name.

Originally posted by hippichick
Devilwasp,

the UK/Great Britain does not possess any nuclear weapons. All the weapons nominally "owned" by the UK/GB are located in the Norfolk Naval Yards in Virginia USA. The UK/GB has to ask permission of the septics for access.

And how about the warheads of the submarine Tridents? are they filled with firecrackers?Correct me if i am wrong but these submarines with the tridents form the backbone of UK's nuclear arsenal..
As far as i see this, countries as Iran, Syria play it very slick..They hold a large standing army mostly for defense, invading others countries are one of the last [resort] options. In this case for a blitz krieg as retaliation..But they do this sponsoring proxy wars and destabilizing the ME and using the oil weapon untill they have the nuke, then weird things can and will happen. The fact that the clerics are the one with their fingers on the trigger, frightens me.. why? cause they dont think rational..they will sacrifice the Iranian people for the sake of Allah, look at what they did with Iranian children in the Iran-Iraq war!, sending them into the minefields.hundreds of thousands of them.
They pose a threat now mainly by supporting terrorists or special commando's incognito involved in Iraq, Lebanon, and some might say even Afghanistan.. this makes this whole region unstable, and the influence of the US/NATO weakening.
I am talking about how to deal with the contemporary situation not about the mistake invading Iraq in 2003..
I am afraid the longer we wait the tougher the clash will be..still i dont believe in invading or attacking Iran shock&awe style..
But we have to get rid of those Iranian nuclear plants, period..


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[edit on 11-6-2007 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by hippichick
the UK/Great Britain does not possess any nuclear weapons. All the weapons nominally "owned" by the UK/GB are located in the Norfolk Naval Yards in Virginia USA. The UK/GB has to ask permission of the septics for access.

Sounds like a misconception to me.

And can somebody explain me why this Iran situation is going to lead to WW3[i've just ordered the Nostradamus code so excuse me for my ignorance]..
Is it China? they can get their natural resources elsewhere, Russia? they have their own, the SCO?, and as if Iran is that strategic..The UN security council is already posing sanctions on Iran, including russia and china..
Except for maybe Syria no country[since most of them are sunni] will back Iran.
A thing that might happen is a new preemptive -strike-no-one-will-bother-me doctrine where countries as the US China and Russia might invade and play in their own backyards as Taiwan, Chechnya etc...carteblanche kind of thing..
But i dont see the structures as we had in WW2 and neither the blocks in WW1





[edit on 11-6-2007 by Foppezao]

No misconception. All those British submarines who sail around "armed" with Trident - toothless tigers.

Originally posted by hippichick
No misconception. All those British submarines who sail around "armed" with Trident - toothless tigers.

I've red some time ago here on ATS that UK exchanged the VX agent for nuclear technolgy with the US. why should the US deposit their arms?

you know i apologize for saying this in advance but *occasionally* i think the faster the human race is wiped out the faster we can start over and maybe develop a more intelligent species, one who's focused around service to others, probably will need a bit of genetic engineering to get this done, but the level of ignorance regarding the way certain "figure heads" of countrys supposed comments earn there millions of citizens the right to be bombed by us is pathetic logic.

bordering on inexcusible


but i have said it before and will say it again, humans are not that smart, the way the mind works and associates and gets confused based on words and there meanings and the misunderstanding and violence and ignorance this breeds will never be able to enjoy a peaceful society i know i sounded very pessimistic in this last paragraph i think if we used our free will collectively to wish for more peace and end suffering in the world, that over time radical changes will occur (actually i konw they would) otherwise...we get to look forward to the same old same old

maybe americans will care a bit more when the economy sinks lower over the year STagflation here we come

[edit on 11-6-2007 by cpdaman]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It would be folly to only take out the nuclear plants.

The best course would be to take out hospitals

Grady. I know you're better than that. You've applauded me before. I'll never forget the good times we had.

AAC

Originally posted by hippichick
Devilwasp,

the UK/Great Britain does not possess any nuclear weapons. All the weapons nominally "owned" by the UK/GB are located in the Norfolk Naval Yards in Virginia USA. The UK/GB has to ask permission of the septics for access.

Oh really? And those 4 nuclear ballistic submarines we own float around with empty tubes? I think not. We joined our nuclear strike technology because well it was cheaper and easier for both sides.

anyway you slice it attacking Iran while US troops are bogged down in Iraq is just too risky, they are likly to cause a great deal of damage with their ballistic and anti-ship missiles, US will be forced to bomb a little and then accept a cease-fire having accomplished pretty much nothing..

and bombing a nuclear facility-forget it, absolute madness, if the thing goes up thats basically a nuke first strike and if it turns out they already got nuclear weapons, then it could cause armaggeddon..

some people have brought up the israeli attack on the iraqi nuclear site, but that site was in early construction, it was just 1 site and there were no nuclear radioactive material on site, just cement and steel..the iranian facilities are already operating and or the construction is complete..too late now, best option negotiations ending US involvement in Iraq and allowing the Iranians to enrich uranium on industrial scale at natanz providing it's monitored so that the enrichment is just 5% power plant grade, not the 95% weapons grade.

Originally posted by Foppezao

Originally posted by hippichick
Devilwasp,

the UK/Great Britain does not possess any nuclear weapons. All the weapons nominally "owned" by the UK/GB are located in the Norfolk Naval Yards in Virginia USA. The UK/GB has to ask permission of the septics for access.

And how about the warheads of the submarine Tridents? are they filled with firecrackers?Correct me if i am wrong but these submarines with the tridents form the backbone of UK's nuclear arsenal..
As far as i see this, countries as Iran, Syria play it very slick..They hold a large standing army mostly for defense, invading others countries are one of the last [resort] options. In this case for a blitz krieg as retaliation..But they do this sponsoring proxy wars and destabilizing the ME and using the oil weapon untill they have the nuke, then weird things can and will happen. The fact that the clerics are the one with their fingers on the trigger, frightens me.. why? cause they dont think rational..they will sacrifice the Iranian people for the sake of Allah, look at what they did with Iranian children in the Iran-Iraq war!, sending them into the minefields.hundreds of thousands of them.
They pose a threat now mainly by supporting terrorists or special commando's incognito involved in Iraq, Lebanon, and some might say even Afghanistan.. this makes this whole region unstable, and the influence of the US/NATO weakening.
I am talking about how to deal with the contemporary situation not about the mistake invading Iraq in 2003..
I am afraid the longer we wait the tougher the clash will be..still i dont believe in invading or attacking Iran shock&awe style..
But we have to get rid of those Iranian nuclear plants, period..


[edit on 11-6-2007 by Foppezao]

[edit on 11-6-2007 by Foppezao]

what about North Korea? They've been testin ICBMs for years and now have the nuclear arsenal they've been after for quite some time. why are they allowed this technology and not Iran?

Might it be the constant mass media propaganda that has persueded your conclusions? If the media were still pushing the North Korea issue would you be on that bandwagon as well? Where are they in the news after testing their first nuclear detonation? I'll tell you ... still testing the Inter-Continental Ballistic Missles - the ones that could easily reach the U.S.

Fact is the majority of America has now been brainwashed by the media to think Iran is a threat. They are less of a threat that North Korea is the American homeland.

"but, but .. they're pushing suicide bombers into Iraq."
Then deal with that. Not the fact that Iran is developing Nuclear poweplants. When they start the detonation of their nuclear weapons ... start worrying.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. As far as we know, they're pursuing this technology for the advancement of their people. Which they should. And of course they will develope nuclear weapons. I think we all should have nuclear weapons, or none of us should.

Originally posted by tyranny22


what about North Korea? They've been testin ICBMs for years and now have the nuclear arsenal they've been after for quite some time. why are they allowed this technology and not Iran?

Might it be the constant mass media propaganda that has persueded your conclusions? If the media were still pushing the North Korea issue would you be on that bandwagon as well? Where are they in the news after testing their first nuclear detonation? I'll tell you ... still testing the Inter-Continental Ballistic Missles - the ones that could easily reach the U.S.

Fact is the majority of America has now been brainwashed by the media to think Iran is a threat. They are less of a threat that North Korea is the American homeland.

"but, but .. they're pushing suicide bombers into Iraq."
Then deal with that. Not the fact that Iran is developing Nuclear poweplants. When they start the detonation of their nuclear weapons ... start worrying.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. As far as we know, they're pursuing this technology for the advancement of their people. Which they should. And of course they will develope nuclear weapons. I think we all should have nuclear weapons, or none of us should.

Yes i do agree with you on the media propaganda thing, Fear is largely created by them, specially in the us[fox]
But the situation in the ME is unstable, the situation on the Korean peninsula is stable since 1953, N korea having nuclear weapons hasnt changed much, maybe it even consolidated the deterrent principle.
Maybe because the us west coast is already covered with the missile defense shield in Alaska. In Asia there are no proxy/civil wars N Korea is involved.China wont back Korea in such a situation cause they have no interest in that country, no country has[except maybe as a black market of buying nuclear weapons?] Iran is involved in proxy wars and to stop the suicide bombers? well you actually have to shut down the tap first before mopping the floor[dutch saying ]
About being guilty? yes they are, they've signed the NPT and are in violation with that treaty, thats one reason why they're sanctioned by the security council.
About deterrence..The situation is Israel is not allowing Iran to have those weapons, its to much of a threat, the arabic [sunni] countries arent happy either. [So its up to Iran] If Iran doesnt back down, Israel will strike.
Or if the situation doesnt get any better in Iraq and elsewhere[economic situation] due to Irans involvement i wouldnt be suprised bush attacks and implements martial law in the US, and so postponing the coming elections..




[edit on 12-6-2007 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by corruptioninvestigator
and bombing a nuclear facility-forget it, absolute madness, if the thing goes up thats basically a nuke first strike and if it turns out they already got nuclear weapons, then it could cause armaggeddon..

You clearly don't have an ounce of understanding about nuclear power/weapons, do you?

Nuclear power plants cannot cause a nuclear explosion. They meltdown, releasing radiation on an enormous scale into the air and that irradiated air travels and diffuses to nearby areas, infecting people all over. Still horrible, but it's not the same as a nuke strike.

Something else that pisses me off is that nuclear power is like 10 years of research away from nuclear weapons. One has to use the products of nuclear power (rather, a purified form of the products, weapons grade plutonium) to make the bomb. I'm not sure, but I don't think that there's such thing as "weapons-grade uranium", but maybe. U-235 is power-plant stuff, and plutonium-something is typical weapons material.

WHY ARE WE ATTACKING THEM FOR UTILIZING ONE OF THE MOST CLEAN, EFFICIENT, RESPECTABLE POWER SOURCES ON EARTH!?

Sorry, I'm a nuke-plant lover. No air pollution, no water pollution, only radioactive products. High energy output. Loads of U-235. The products can be put under a few feet of water and no radiation escapes, or put under a few yards of Earth with the same effect.

Originally posted by Foppezao

Originally posted by tyranny22


what about North Korea? They've been testin ICBMs for years and now have the nuclear arsenal they've been after for quite some time. why are they allowed this technology and not Iran?

Might it be the constant mass media propaganda that has persueded your conclusions? If the media were still pushing the North Korea issue would you be on that bandwagon as well? Where are they in the news after testing their first nuclear detonation? I'll tell you ... still testing the Inter-Continental Ballistic Missles - the ones that could easily reach the U.S.

Fact is the majority of America has now been brainwashed by the media to think Iran is a threat. They are less of a threat that North Korea is the American homeland.

"but, but .. they're pushing suicide bombers into Iraq."
Then deal with that. Not the fact that Iran is developing Nuclear poweplants. When they start the detonation of their nuclear weapons ... start worrying.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. As far as we know, they're pursuing this technology for the advancement of their people. Which they should. And of course they will develope nuclear weapons. I think we all should have nuclear weapons, or none of us should.

Yes i do agree with you on the media propaganda thing, Fear is largely created by them, specially in the us[fox]
But the situation in the ME is unstable, the situation on the Korean peninsula is stable since 1953, N korea having nuclear weapons hasnt changed much, maybe it even consolidated the deterrent principle.
Maybe because the us west coast is already covered with the missile defense shield in Alaska. In Asia there are no proxy/civil wars N Korea is involved.China wont back Korea in such a situation cause they have no interest in that country, no country has[except maybe as a black market of buying nuclear weapons?] Iran is involved in proxy wars and to stop the suicide bombers? well you actually have to shut down the tap first before mopping the floor[dutch saying

]
About being guilty? yes they are, they've signed the NPT and are in violation with that treaty, thats one reason why they're sanctioned by the security council.
About deterrence..The situation is Israel is not allowing Iran to have those weapons, its to much of a threat, the arabic [sunni] countries arent happy either. [So its up to Iran] If Iran doesnt back down, Israel will strike.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by Foppezao]

I guess I should pay more attention before posting. I didn't realize you were in the Netherlands and not in the U.S., thus, not being subject to the mass media propaganda that we are in the states. My apologies.

You make valid points.

Originally posted by FoppezaoOr if the situation doesnt get any better in Iraq and elsewhere[economic situation] due to Irans involvement i wouldnt be suprised bush attacks and implements martial law in the US, and so postponing the coming elections..

It's been my opinion that this will culminate within the next year. I fully expect a "terrorist act" that points to Iran and Bush will invade, or at least attack full force.

IgnoranceIsntBlisss hit it right on the head again. I think members need to think logically before they post absurd comments. Yet again, it's pretty clear to me: If we attack, we should expect retaliation...simple as that. This pre-emptive strike attitude that people seem to have is more disturbing to me than anything else...

Corruptioninvestigator you are naive and clearly have not followed the news.

There were years of negotiations with iran to offer them reactors which could use low or even non enriched reactors. They refused point blank and said it was none of anyone else's business.

Well when they are clearly using this program to build nuclear weapons, then it is the world's business.

Waiting until they have them is ridiculous. These people will use nukes once they have them and in their threats have obliquely said as much.

"but, but .. they're pushing suicide bombers into Iraq."
Then deal with that. Not the fact that Iran is developing Nuclear poweplants. When they start the detonation of their nuclear weapons ... start worrying.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. As far as we know, they're pursuing this technology for the advancement of their people. Which they should. And of course they will develope nuclear weapons. I think we all should have nuclear weapons, or none of us should.

Innocent until proven guilty requires proof beyond reasonable doubt. That burden of proof has already been met because there is no other reasonable rational explanation for nuclear power stations which Iran does no t need and only has uranium fuel to feed for 6 months per reactor.

I'm not sure, but I don't think that there's such thing as "weapons-grade uranium", but maybe. U-235 is power-plant stuff, and plutonium-something is typical weapons material.

Pondrthis, it is a bit rich you denouncing others for not understanding nuclear technology when you make comments like that.

Uranium in nature is 0.7 U235 and 99% U238 plus a little U233.

Reactors use up to 10% U235 versus 90% U238

Some modern reactors do not require uranium enrichment at all.

Bomb grade is 90-95% U235

You should know this if you are going to criticise others. Iran has no peaceful need for bomb grade uranium.