Iran threatens Gulf blitz if US hits nuclear plants

Agit8dChop
There are several diplomatic endeavours going on as we type. EU is trying to get to a peaceful resolution, but Iranian leadership is refusing to co-operate and/or to show any evidence that they are not a threat.

But one big problem in this whole situation is that Iran has been backing up terrorists for 30 years, if we allow them to go nuclear that would mean that we forgave their earlier actions. They have not proved themselves in the eyes of the international community.


And to those worried that Russia might join the battle, do not worry. Russians will sell Iran all the weapons they can afford to buy, but they will not lift a hand to help Iranians in combat. There is too much at stake for Russia. And besides, Russia doesn't need Iranian oil..


And if i was an american admiral in charge of the fleets in the Gulf, i would call them off ASAP, because for all we know they could be disabled at a minutes notice. Iranian anti-ship missiles are numerous enough to get a shot or two through US navy defences. And a one good hit can take out the carrier wing for a while.

Ps. Are there any F-22s stationed in Europe at the moment? If some arrive that's a good hint that war will start soon...

These are some very good questions Agit8dChop. Perhaps if we can answer the questions in our own little quagmire in the 9/11 boards we can better understand the politics at hand in the Middle East.

It is a different situation but shares many similar underpinnings like beliefs trumping debate, alliances, dividing lines, rhetoric, accusations and hurt feelings. In intrests of peace and stability ATS staffs comes in with scrutiny and sanctions much like the UN and there is some escalation and retalliation and rumblings on other sites.

Quite the study of the outside world, without the fear of a game thermonuclear catch. Both are about human behavior and what is acceptable and what is not.

If America attacks Iran we can pretty much consider this chapter in the book of world history "The Rise and Fall of the American Empire" a wrap. We have a dying economy, overstretched troops, and no respect from anyone in the world how much worse can it get? Much worse if we go into war with Iran especially with China threatening to attack our allies in Taiwan. That'll be fighting on how many fronts? 4. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Taiwan....DRAFT TIME!!!!

The gameboard is reflecting less American influence with each passing year......the bush administration is rife with frightened individuals that only know how to lash out and destroy...

China and Russia are investing in massive projects worldwide, Europe is regaining value as trade parter direct to Asia. Russia and China will be sitting on cash reserves equal to USA GDP relatively soon....

Why would china wish to Invade Taiwan...there is no strategic value, no economic value, nothing that China cannot simply wait for world politics to catch up to reality; the world is abandoning Taiwan and joining with China.

INvading Iran would be the last act of a despotic administration bent on starting a regional conflict and destabilize the middle east.

the USA is losing its economy....there is only war left.
Iran + China + Russia would cancel all US influence in the Middle east and create a trade bloc that can completely ignore US interests with no fear of economic retaliation.
the US cannot go to war with Russia or China...but it can attack Iran.

Originally posted by SteveR
The only losers? Is that all you can think of when people are dieing?

You didn't read the entire post Steve if you had you would have read the hidden sarcasm in it.

In wars specially pre-empty are not winners when it comes to populations from either side of the struggle.

The only winners are the profeteers of war.

Originally posted by sy.gunson
I am well aware of the global consequences but there is an even bigger consequence of doing nothing.

Agit8dChop I don't scream for millitary action against India, or Pakistan. Also had you been a member of an aviationforum which I belong to, you would have witnessed last year that I argued strenuously against retaliation against North Korea.

Iran is a different proposition because they have extremist, militarist leaders who preach martyrdom and destruction of the West.

They are entitled to their culture. I have some real respect for Iranians gouing their own way, but not for their provocative militarism.

It may interest you that I was a campaigner for nuclear disarmament for a huge part of my life and a huge thorn in the side of the NZ government pushing for New Zealand's independent stance from US foreign policy.

For me to come this far around in my thinking indicates there is something which I have seen in this issue which overrides my sense of pacifist values.

Sometimes in life you have to step outside the box and re-examine your long held values.

I really can't understand your mentality, really?

Iran is "different"? How so? You saw it on US news? There is a huge anti-Iran propaganda in the Western Media!

There is a "bigger consequence of doing nothing"? Which is?

What is worse than war? Nothing. But doing nothing will not start a war. Attacking because you "think" they "might" attack you is ten times worse than doing nothing. Even if you do nothing and you get attacked, you will have a clean face!

As far as I know Iran never said they will attack USA before USA said that Iran is in the "Axis of evil" and started to gather US troops for a potential attack. Iran is just responding to the threat! The danger here is USA not Iran.

A war with Iran is a pontential place for the beginning of World War 3. If USA attacks, they will be responsible for it. Iraq was also a threat? They had WMD! Can you believe it? They had NONE, Iraq was defeated in 2 weeks, Iraq was no threat to the world! But was invaded! Did anyone say anything? No, because the WINNERS write the history books! And winners can be evil too!

Same with Iran, they pose no danger to anyone, the only danger is USA wanting to control the world.

One of the big things that people are overlooking is that Israel is a nuclear nation, and I dont think that they would hesitate for one second to bobm Iran back to the stone age of they attacked them.

Iran is working towards nuclear capabilities, Israel is already there...and Israel is the U.S. friend.

my rough translation of this ` threat ` :

" if you disrupt our [ irans ] development of newer , more terrible weapons of mas destruction - which might be used to start WWIII in the future , we will use all weapons availiable to us today - indiscrimiately - in an attempt to start WWIII "

yeah - that IMHO sums it up

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my rough translation of this ` threat ` :

" if you disrupt our [ irans ] development of newer , more terrible weapons of mas destruction - which might be used to start WWIII in the future , we will use all weapons availiable to us today - indiscrimiately - in an attempt to start WWIII "

yeah - that IMHO sums it up

Well than, the name ignorant_ape suits you well if that is your take on this.

Even if they want to develop nukes, they still need their nuke plants to provide for their energy needs of the future. If you have not noticed, a good chunk of the worlds population are now able to have ore luxuries and amenaties whereas before they were never able too. This is going to require an extremely increased production of current petroleum exports, causing the prices to just get higher and higher eveyr year.

It makes sense that they would want to use their nuclear energy, seeing as they have sufficient Uranium reserves as well, to provide their own energy while they are able to sell off more of their crude oil and natural gas at a higher cost and to be less dependant on a dwindling supply.

Whether they plan on making nukes or not is mute IMO, they will get them if they want them and all the bombs in the US arsenal will not stop that. I aklready stated in another thread that this is exactly what Iran would do to counter the attack. Destroy the enemies ability to fuel itself, and it cannot wage war effectively. The allies were doing it against Germany in WW2. Iran will do it against US in this scenario.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Just like we've managed to contain Russia, France, England, Pakistan, India and Israel.....

Pretty ignorant of you agit, there is no country called england.....
There is an area inside the United Kingdom called england but they posses no nuclear weapons, the UK does however posses quite a few weapons.
But the question is , you have "contained" us?
Since when has britain conquered territory since 1939? Not very often is the answer, the last time we "claimed" something was a small island off the coast of northern ireland and scotland 200 metres long in the cold war. Yeah dont those sea gulls feel frightened huh....

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Why dont we create the largest missile defence around Israel, at their cost?

Because its illegal.....I thought you were one of those supporting international treaties?

Why dont we talk to Irans leaders, something we've been unable to do since the 70's.....

Last time the british did they had kidnapped 15 of our people and had students attacking our embassy.....oh and the whole raiding of the US embassy.....

Why dont we INVEST with them, in their oil fields, creating a future for our childeren?

Why when we have our own oil fields?

If Iran gets Nukes, I think it will bring peace to the middle east. Israel will be forced to play by the rules, and stop screwing over her neighbors. I'm no Muslim supporter or anything, but look at Pakistan. They are the country that has the most Arabs, and extremist Muslims, and you don't hear us talking about bombing their nuke plants. You don't hear Israel threatening them either.

So here is the message we are sending...... Get nukes and we leave you alone. Don't get nukes and we bomb you and invade your country. (when is the last time you hear about N. Korea?)

LOL

Originally posted by downtown436
If Iran gets Nukes, I think it will bring peace to the middle east. Israel will be forced to play by the rules, and stop screwing over her neighbors. I'm no Muslim supporter or anything, but look at Pakistan. They are the country that has the most Arabs, and extremist Muslims, and you don't hear us talking about bombing their nuke plants. You don't hear Israel threatening them either.

So here is the message we are sending...... Get nukes and we leave you alone. Don't get nukes and we bomb you and invade your country. (when is the last time you hear about N. Korea?)

LOL

Wow is this what its turning into? Muslims or democracy?
Having nuclear weapons is dangerous and well all I can ask : "Can we trust iran anymore than the world powers right now?

Originally posted by marg6043
You didn't read the entire post Steve if you had you would have read the hidden sarcasm in it.

I read it, but I didn't get your sarcasm.

Originally posted by buckhunter
I think Iran is highly underestimating the might of the US military. We have two carrier groups in the gulf and could bring in one to two more if necessary. I don't think we have fired a Tomahawk missile in anger since the beginning of the war, and our B1, B2, and B52 bombers are getting very limited use in Iraq. I am sure we have been watching them very closely for months, if not years with satellites and Special Forces to address the missile threat. I do not believe they even have enough launchers to shoot hundreds of missiles at once. They are sure to get a wave off in the early stages of any conflict, but they will not be around long to be a menace.

We have been fighting in Iraq with one arm tied behind our backs, and I don't think that is a good indication of our military. Who knows maybe we will bring out some of our new toys (F22) in a conflict with Iran? Not to mention we do have Iran surrounded with bases, and we will not have an issue with limits on attack strategy like we did when Turkey backed out.

I don't think anyone is underestimating the might of the American military, especially Iran. Iran has a formitable army, though there are a few armies in the world that could stand up to ours, Iran's is not one of them. No question abou that.

The question is not, "Do we want to attack Iran?" The answer there is obvious: yes. It's apparent that the U.S. government wants to increase it's worldwide grip, presence and influence.


The question is, "Should we attack Iran?" No. Absolutely not, without provocation.
Any country in the world would have objections to the United States attacking Iran. Granted, we may have a couple countries that would support our efforts of destroying their nuclear facilities, but as soon as we put a soldier into Iran the entire world would be up in arms at another invasion. One that would give the United States domonance in the Middle East.

An invasion of Iran would be akin to the German invasion of France, in my opinion. Unprovoked aggression. If Iran is training insurgents, take care of that problem. Otherwise the United States would be best to wait until Iran does indeed attack another nation. We cannot police the planet with the current laws that have been invoked here in the United States with the Patriot Act. Such laws abide actions that pre-emptively eliminate threats to the National Secuity. The world, thankfully, is not ours. It still belongs to all men and women that live upon it. Not the United States government.

Look for a "catestrophic" U.S. event in the coming months that points to Iran, or in one way or another has ties with Iranian government. My bet is that we know where Osama is and he's in Iran. That will ultimately be the link for U.S. invasion.

If you flaunt your power, be prepared to be threatened. Bush has been doing so since 9/11. Once we got attacked, by whoever it may have been, we jumped to war. Going into Afghanistan, I can understand. We were told that the Taliban were harboring Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Following up with the invasion of Iraq on the other hand, was truly uncalled for.

Look at it from the perspective of the guy in the middle. Afghanistan, occupied with U.S. forces. Shortly after, Iraq, occupied with U.S. forces. You now have a superpower straddling you. Would you not feel threatened? If Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy moved in on either side of your families house, would you not be locking the doors, looking out the windows from a dark room? If I were asked that question, my answer would be that I would sit at the front door with a shotgun, while my wife did the same at the back door. And before you can say that's a bad analogy, it's a perfect analogy!

Iran is scared, and they are being prepared to be invaded, or attacked in some form. Whether or not it will happen, nobody knows, but you bet you bottom that the want to be ready if it does.

should we attack iran im not worried about their firing off missiles indescriminantly all over the ME...i think we'll target them and take them out in the first round of tomahawks, what i AM worried about is all the suicide bombers...err sorry, martyrs they have lined up...

are they all KNOWN to be still in iran or are they in london, nyc, la, dc, miami etc...?

im worried they already have their cells in our cities and the first explosion in iran will trigger off explosions around the world in our own cities.

i have very little fear of an enemy i can face across the battlefield, an enemy who's in uniform and is trying to defend his home against us...

i have a lot of fear of a plain clothes enemy who doesnt care about killing innocents.

thats just me

Iran threatens Gulf blitz if US hits nuclear plants
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Iran must be dealt with to incapacitate their nuclear ambitions. Iran must be dealt with to incapacitate their funneling subversives into Iraq at present which are responsible for many injuries and deaths of coalition Soldiers.

Crush Iran's command structure as mentioned above and crush all things leading these extreme-extremists to nuclear proliferation.

Dallas

Man I would love nothing more then to have some foreign troops storm our nation so that all you arrogant war-thumpers can see the realities of war. Yeah I might die in the process but the fright on your faces would make it all worth it. Your cries to the U.N. to stop the foreign aggressor would make me smile. All you war lovers are going to be the reason why America won't be here in 100 years. I'm tired of all the bullying that America is doing across the world and I feel like somebody taking us over or eradicating us would be the best for the world. If you ask me, the only country that needs to be disarmed would be America. We're the biggest terrorist supporters in the world.


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