PC MOD Ban Pin-Ups On RAF Jets - In Case They Offend Women

PC MOD Ban Pin-Ups On RAF Jets - In Case They Offend Women

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In killer heels and little else, they have a definite deadly charm.

But the risque images of women that have decorated warplanes since the First World War have been scrubbed out.

The Ministry of Defence has decreed they could offend the RAF's female personnel.

Officials admitted they had no record of any complaints from the 5,400 women in the RAF

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Have the members of the MOD in the UK gone Bonkers? This is akin to the abolitionist movement of the early 20th century. One would think they would have far more important matters to attend too in life then a few pin ups painted on Aircraft. :shk:

What is next; do we ban all pictures of statues that have bare breasts etc., do we demand that all famous statues in churches that are nude be removed?

This appears to be similar to what China did earlier this year when they banned advertizing ads for the year of the Pig for fear it might offends a religion, also uncalled for. Why send up a white flag if not one is complaining???

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It's the same thing that happened after WWII in the USAAC and later USAF. Hell, until the late 1980s early 1990s the USAF couldn't even have nose art on the planes.

A time will come when you won't even be able to fart with out getting a licence to do it, and then showing it to everyone in your surounding area at least 20 seconds before releasing said toxic gases from your human bodily system.

I am not, will not, ever be P.C.

What a complete load of horse droppings.

BTW: I live in China and there were plenty of Lunar New Year adverts on the retard recepticle. There were even adverts asking you to place adverts! $58'000 for a special New Year package if my memory serves me correctly!!

The loader crews will obviously have to stop writting on the bombs as well then. Wouldn't want someone being offended and turned in to "Pink Mist" as well: would we now!

Originally posted by ChiKeyMonKey
The loader crews will obviously have to stop writting on the bombs as well then. Wouldn't want someone being offended and turned in to "Pink Mist" as well: would we now!

I don't know man, I think I would be quite offended by being turned into pink mist course if I was I bet it would be a little difficult for me to go and complain.

This is a load of donkey doo, if none of the women have complained then why stop a tradition?

Thats it I am going to go apply to some all womens retreat and sue when I can't get in.

Sigh

Originally posted by shots
One would think they would have far more important matters to attend too in life then a few pin ups painted on Aircraft.

Surely the same can be said for you? Why focus on this single issue, when it shouldn't be important to them when there are so many more important issues about?

I think it's a sad state of affairs - really, how many female pilots have pictures of semi-naked men on the plane?

Furthermore, the same can be said for the people painting it - maybe they should be doing something better with their time? Such as checking on the planes? More training? Getting some rest?

It's not needed - there's no point to paint such pictures on a plane. I'd rather soldiers - soldiers who I pay - do something better with their time than this. Now the MoD has got this out of the way (before someone did make an issue out of it) than they can focus on real issues.

This is just silly.......

Post some nose art in protest of this inane decision.




If the fairer sex wants to get in on the action, get out your photoshop and make some of your own.

Originally posted by Odium
Furthermore, the same can be said for the people painting it - maybe they should be doing something better with their time? Such as checking on the planes? More training? Getting some rest?

It's not needed - there's no point to paint such pictures on a plane. I'd rather soldiers - soldiers who I pay - do something better with their time than this. Now the MoD has got this out of the way (before someone did make an issue out of it) than they can focus on real issues.

It's a morale issue. They used to have competitions to see who had the better nose art on the plane. And it gave them more of a connection to the plane, and wanting to get it home in one piece. Most of the time in WWII the planes were named after a mother, grandmother, girlfriend, wife, etc.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Hell, until the late 1980s early 1990s the USAF couldn't even have nose art on the planes.

Zap I do ot think that is a true statement. Many aircraft during Korea had nose art and so did helicopters during nam.

Just few example can be found here

Originally posted by Odium
Furthermore, the same can be said for the people painting it - maybe they should be doing something better with their time? Such as checking on the planes? More training? Getting some rest?

It's not needed - there's no point to paint such pictures on a plane. I'd rather soldiers - soldiers who I pay - do something better with their time than this. Now the MoD has got this out of the way (before someone did make an issue out of it) than they can focus on real issues.

Focus on "real" issues?
What are our pilots not allowed to unwind at work? Not allowed to take some pride in thier work or thier machinery?
Next thing you know we'll be cutting back on uniforms because its not "cost effective" to have tradition....but ofcoures it has to be PC and "cost effective to the tax payers". Lord knows we're enforcing a "cost effective" policy on our lads for ammunition....

Originally posted by Zaphod58
It's a morale issue.

When a war is just - you don't need morale to be put into soldiers. When a war is for the "right cause" than you don't need morale to be put into soldiers. If they can't take pride in what they are doing for their country - surely what they are doing is at fault?

If we are meant to live in fear from these evil terrorists and they are protecting us, shouldn't a job well done be good enough? I don't see the Police, Fire-service, etcetera, needing to do the same.

It's a very poor excuse for it.

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Hell, until the late 1980s early 1990s the USAF couldn't even have nose art on the planes.

Zap I do ot think that is a true statement. Many aircraft during Korea had nose art and so did helicopters during nam.

Just few example can be found here

The fighters might have, but if you look now the KC-10s and B-1s and KC-135s have it as well. It was against regulations for them to have anything painted on the nose until the late 1980s. And even the fighters weren't allowed to have anything but pilot and crew chief name painted on the for a long time.

ETA: SAC was the first to allow the return of nose art in 1985.

After Vietnam, there was a long break in the creation of nose art, probably because restrictions were enforced during peacetime. Another factor that holds to this day, was that the transfer of Strategic Air Command (SAC) aircraft between units discourages the practice, because they are repainted each time (Ethell, p. 173).

From the early 1980s through 1991, nose art was on the rise, beginning with a few selected units, and expanding to all types of aircraft in the air force. Its comeback is largely due to its official revival. The resurgence actually began as early as the 1970s with the U.S. Air Force Project Warrior, which was an effort to commemorate aircraft's past history. The 380th Bomb Wing and the 509th Bomb Wing, in the spirit of the project, began painting art on its aircraft, and, although against regulations, the art was allowed to remain. In the early 1980s, SAC ruled that specific historical units could have historical nose art (Davis, v. 3, p. 7). In the interest of morale, in 1985 a SAC regulation permitted nose art for other aircraft with the provision that the presentation was tasteful and that there was no nudity.

parentseyes.arizona.edu...

[edit on 6/9/2007 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by Odium
When a war is just - you don't need morale to be put into soldiers. When a war is for the "right cause" than you don't need morale to be put into soldiers. If they can't take pride in what they are doing for their country - surely what they are doing is at fault?

If we are meant to live in fear from these evil terrorists and they are protecting us, shouldn't a job well done be good enough? I don't see the Police, Fire-service, etcetera, needing to do the same.

It's a very poor excuse for it.

It has NOTHING to do with the war. They started putting nose art on planes just before the first Gulf War, and have allowed it since then. It's just a way for crews to have fun and see who can come up with the better nose art.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
It has NOTHING to do with the war.

Then why mention morale?

Surely if morale is low than there must be a problem. Hard to say it has nothing to do with the wars we are fighting, people don't need morale to fight a war which is just. If morale is low it is a bi-product of the war you are fighting.

Morale isn't just for fighting a war. If you're stuck with a commander that's a real jerk and rides your butt all the time even though it's peace time you're morale is still going to suck. And ANY time morale goes down you're risking more accidents and people getting killed, because you're not going to want to do your job.

ETA:

Morale (also referred to as esprit de corps) is a term for the capacity of people to maintain belief in an institution or a goal, or even in oneself and others. The term applies particularly to military personnel and to members of sports teams, but is also applicable in business and in any other organizational context, particularly in times of stress or controversy.

According to Alexander H. Leighton, "morale is the capacity of a group of people to pull together persistently and consistently in pursuit of a common purpose".[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Morale can apply to any group, any TIME.

[edit on 6/9/2007 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Post some nose art in protest of this inane decision.

Agreed, its PC lunacy

Having said that, its a moot story really. You will never, ever see an operation RAF jet with art on it, unless its specially painted for an Airshow.

Well done - Zaphod58.

So when a cause is just they won't need to boost morale.

From your own source:

An army with good supply lines, sound air cover and a clear objective possesses, as a whole, good morale.

so we need to boost morale? Surely it'd be better to fix those things? And if those things are sound than surely we don't need to boost morale unless there's a problem with the war. :-)

Morale does NOT just apply in a war Odium. Do you truly not understand that, or are you just trying to find a way to twist it to being about the war? I've seen units when we weren't even CONSIDERING fighting a war that had HORRIBLE morale, and had accidents about every three weeks. Luckily they didn't lose anyone in them. If morale ONLY applies in war, then please tell me WHY the US military has the MORALE Welfare and Recreation department? Just because the easiest examples are during war, doesn't mean that morale ONLY applies during war. Although I have to applaud how you're twisting it to ONLY apply during war.

Thats mad, everyone KNOWS any vehicle (planes boats cars bikes) are allways female.

And buildings / structures are always male. Ask any engineer.

I don't know any women who would object to this (or many that object to the female form!)