Nasa baffled by soil properties on mars in latest photo.

This is an official statement on the NASA site.
(My conspiracy sense is tingling...)

Due to unprecedented demand for our high-resolution images, we have temporarily taken down our video content.

Could it be the video shows more than "they" want us to see !?!? Will it be edited for public display !?

darklanser,

actually mars doesn't look that bad from that perspective does it?

and if Mars had an atmosphere would it be that cold? I mean it is closer to the sun than earth is correct?

makes we go hmmmm...

Originally posted by THENEO I mean it is closer to the sun than earth is correct?

No, further out. Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, rocks, Jupiter, etc.

Originally posted by lilblam
I found a place where NASA cut out a part and pasted in part of the image WRONG with a huge line that makes one part of the image veer to the left of the rest, what the hell?

photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...


See that big rock in center-left side? Underneat it I can see a line going left-to-right and anomalies because of it... some of the rocks are shifted on their top halves.

Wow, thats sad. Are you totaly unaware that these are photomosaics? Thats not an error, that a mosaic line.

As for NASA taking down the video I have one serious comment... It is probably a bandwidth issue, hoever, a lot of people tend to bite the hand that feeds them. If you judge things in the images, cry conspiracy, and start bashing the people sahring thier info with you, then of of course they will stop sharing. I've worked on several research projects that weren't for public view, and many that weren't for public view only because the same thing would happen.

STOP ACCUSING PEOPLE WHO GIVE YOU THESE IMAGES OF DOCTORING THEM. If there was anything they didn't want you to see, NASA would never release ANY pictures.

As for my research, I work mostly in experimental explosives and metal alloys. And I don't share my work outside the scientific community because some people would start making unfounded claims about it. So, UNLIKE NASA, i just don't openly share it.

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by ScienceGuyQ]

It recieves 44% of the sunlight as the Earth does. The average temp during the day is 14� F. It dips down into the -100� F's during the day. Of course this is without a proper atmosphere. Pretty cold, but it would be liveable under certain conditions.

EDIT: ScienceGuyQ....I was j/k. I do appreciate what it takes to get us these pics. I'm not always a paranoid psychopath....

[Edited on 1-6-2004 by darklanser]

photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...

See those lines in the middle? What's with the fake cut outs on the pic. Something's up.


edit: ah sorry didn't see ur reply

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by lilblam]

Oops my error thanks for pointing it out that Mars is the next planet outside of earths orbit.

I also just found this interesting info:

Mars' orbit is significantly elliptical. One result of this is a temperature variation of about 30 C at the subsolar point between aphelion and perihelion. This has a major influence on Mars' climate. While the average temperature on Mars is about 218 K (-55 C, -67 F), Martian surface temperatures range widely from as little as 140 K (-133 C, -207 F) at the winter pole to almost 300 K (27 C, 80 F) on the day side during summer.

seds.lpl.arizona.edu...

They said in a news conference earlier that thier website had over a billion hits since the thing landed. I imagine the already stretched NASA server is really smoking at the moment. I imagine this is the problem.

Originally posted by THENEO
darklanser,

actually mars doesn't look that bad from that perspective does it?

and if Mars had an atmosphere would it be that cold? I mean it is closer to the sun than earth is correct?

makes we go hmmmm...

Mars is 128 million miles from the sun, earth is 93 million miles from the sun.

Mars has a thin atmosphere of mostly carbon dioxide. It would look blue durring the mid day, and reddish for most of the rest of the day as the sun is lower on the horizon. Mars also has some thin clouds now and then.

Surface temperatures on Mars are around -80F.

Originally posted by ScienceGuyQ

Originally posted by lilblam
I found a place where NASA cut out a part and pasted in part of the image WRONG with a huge line that makes one part of the image veer to the left of the rest, what the hell?

photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...


See that big rock in center-left side? Underneat it I can see a line going left-to-right and anomalies because of it... some of the rocks are shifted on their top halves.

Wow, thats sad. Are you totaly unaware that these are photomosaics? Thats not an error, that a mosaic line.

As for NASA taking down the video I have one serious comment... It is probably a bandwidth issue, hoever, a lot of people tend to bite the hand that feeds them. If you judge things in the images, cry conspiracy, and start bashing the people sahring thier info with you, then of of course they will stop sharing. I've worked on several research projects that weren't for public view, and many that weren't for public view only because the same thing would happen.

STOP ACCUSING PEOPLE WHO GIVE YOU THESE IMAGES OF DOCTORING THEM. If there was anything they didn't want you to see, NASA would never release ANY pictures.

As for my research, I work mostly in experimental explosives and metal alloys. And I don't share my work outside the scientific community because some people would start making unfounded claims about it. So, UNLIKE NASA, i just don't openly share it.

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by ScienceGuyQ]

Why would you say it's a photomosaic? It's just a regular photograph, with a distinct LINE through it that distorts part of the image and shifts it to the left. I have seen photomosaics, this isn't one. What makes you say that?

The notion that NASA would never release certain pictures may be a bit unrealistic. Consider that NASA is a public agency using public funds (Illuminati favourite method of getting their agenda advanced but annother time and place), and as such has to 'show' something especially for such public projects of interest as this one is.

The average citizen has this belief that the scientific community and academic community have an above board and honest orientation which may be mostly true but is demonstrably not always so.

Thus this caveat, question everything or else fall prey to the control system.

Originally posted by lilblam

Why would you say it's a photomosaic? It's just a regular photograph, with a distinct LINE through it that distorts part of the image and shifts it to the left. I have seen photomosaics, this isn't one. What makes you say that?

Because it is. I don't know what else to say, read the info on NASA's Site (give me a few min and i'll find you a link). All the shots of that scope commingback are photomosaics, and the reason there is a line at one point is because the mosaic fits in the rest of the shot. I'll find you a link to the info, but it still stand, if you point out simple thing like unaligned mosaics are conspiracy evidence, you are just asking NASA to stop sharing information completely. Don't use info from scientist and at the same time call them liars.

It is most definitaly a mosaic. Without a doubt. That's why there's distinct distortion in the image where the tiles meet. The camera lens is not the center of rotation and it is not a perfect system.

Out of interest, I stuck the 40 meg tiff file on the panorama to see how much detail we are going to get.



I think the final panorama is going to be about 23,000 pixels across. This is an unprecedented amount of detail. I can't wait.

Originally posted by Zzub
It is most definitaly a mosaic. Without a doubt. That's why there's distinct distortion in the image where the tiles meet. The camera lens is not the center of rotation and it is not a perfect system.

Thanks Zzub, the JPL site is sloooow. Haaving trouble going page to page. Also tricky finding a simple "these are mosaics" statements ince thats standard for these shots.

BTW, sorry if i sounded harsh in my reaction to people claiming NASA was releasing Doctored photos, but I used to work for JPL/NASA and take it a little personaly when people call my friends and excoworkers liars.

But such are conspiracy theorist i guess. It the fact that you don't know a person that lets you claim things about them that just aren't true.

Great thread, Zzub! Keep up the good work, guys!

Well I didn't know it was a compilation of little photos stacked together to be made into one big one. I thought it was just one picture. Besides, I just saw an anomaly so it would actually be WRONG to keep it to myself. Either I was going to be right, or corrected and proven wrong. Thanks for clearing it up .

I still distrust NASA and the government and I know they cover up a LOT of things. No offense to your ex-coworkers, but I just don't trust them. Any of them.

ScienceGuyQ,

see my above post regarding temperature extremes on Mars surface. There are seasons and locations where the temperature reaches 27 degrees C.

seems rather hospitable to me...

Originally posted by lilblam
Well I didn't know it was a compilation of little photos stacked together to be made into one big one. I thought it was just one picture. Besides, I just saw an anomaly so it would actually be WRONG to keep it to myself. Either I was going to be right, or corrected and proven wrong. Thanks for clearing it up

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I still distrust NASA and the government and I know they cover up a LOT of things. No offense to your ex-coworkers, but I just don't trust them. Any of them.

Cool! Like i posted above, sorry if i reacted badly. Posting more pictures is great too.

If you have an imagination, it kinda looks like some sort of lizard carcass.