I need proof! Or at least some information that makes sense?

I come into some of these threads here and there will be someone who has posted a ufo pic or some kind of ufo/extra-terrestrial information. However in these threads you get these strange responses. Such as "yeah thats such and such a craft... they use those to scout the earth, the other ships orbit the earth..." however they do this with an tone implying it is of course common knowledge.

A few threads i see them going into specific details about craft or why such a thing does such a thing. Most of the time i am baffled as to how they know such as it seems priviledged information. Are these crackpots? or genuine knowledgeable people?

So i am calling these people out to find out what they know and how they know this.

I do not blame anyone who does not believe something until they have seen it. I am very much like that. Then one day i saw a Massive black triangle only about 150ft away. An awesome life changing sight. This was in 95'. Would i expect anyone to believe in UFO's because of my sighting?.. No. My belief is that it was possibly a Black project from the result of reverse engineering by the MIC, or time travelling humans from the future.

I'm not saying UFO's specifically but some people seem to know precise details and it makes you wonder how do they know that? For example ohh you know thats a class C scout ship or something like that

People that are stating this are probably abductee's/experiencers/contactee's people choose the word that feels comfortable to them.

I could describe a few ships because I have been within.

There are different species that are here within the deepest of our waters they are safe and secure because there is no equipment that humans have that can reach them. To me even with them being within the Moon, etc. I still consider them to be just as much terrestrial as extraterrestrial.

Humans have different experiences so of course you get different information.

The people that have this happen to then try to share but if it doesn't fit into the way you have been taught and it's out of the box people insult and call these people names.

What it is going to take is people having there own sighting/experience then maybe they will understand a little better.

I shake my head when you get someone who puts you down calls you names then they see something that rattles them and they try to share and explain, lol cracks me up.

What needs to be done is a section has to be opened that is for contactee's/experiencers/abductee's and so on so we can talk without being put down.

I think it is time we put the pieces of the puzzle together and there are millions of us that have pieces. There are others like myself I am sure that have been sent back here to help when it is time for example. I know I am clean-up and Cures so to say and I know of others that are to protect the children in her area and gather them to safety.

The point is the time should be here that we are listened to because time is ticking and time is running out on us, humans not Earth.

Walk or ride a bike more we do have to cut the Fossil Fuels aand Plant those trees.

Everyone has their own unique experiences and stories to tell. They're entitled to their own opinions. Alot of people research such craft or get their knowledge from other stories. There's no way to really know if it's true or real. You just have to believe them or disbelieve them. The best way to handle it is in your own mind. Don't call them out and call them liers or something like that. That will just make it worse and bring you in to their level. Just research yourself and know what's right and wrong. Then you'll know who's who in these threads. That's all I can tell you. I myself have never been abducted or seen a real flying saucer or aliens.

I think you need to consider the possibility when people are talking about craft classifications they are referring to some sort of identification system in use by researchers and enthusiasts and not by the military. Such a system would be widely published in public domain UFO literature.

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Most people of the general public are stuck at "are the aliens real or not real?" and they don't explore much past that. At an informative gathering place like this forum you will find mostly people who are stuck a little further ahead, at "which of all this ridiculous various conflicting stuff about the aliens is true?"

Many people here have had some kind of alien or UFO experience of their own, and unfortunately, that often makes them even more prone to be lost in the confusion over all the various information available about the aliens. You should not just go believing any specific thing you hear or read about the alien races just because you know that 'something' is true about them.

The UFO field and the aliens are two different animals. If you study the humans' UFO field of information, you only learn about the humans. If you want to know about the aliens, you have to study the aliens. People who study the field use all the popular buzz words, and people who study the aliens hardly even fit into the UFO field at all. Even the aliens are odd balls to the UFO field.

"Many" humans have an alien experience or two, but few have progressive contact and really know something about the alien races, and fewer still are honestly doing their best to share what they learn with integrity for the sake of others. Most who have the opportunity to learn from the alien races can't handle the stress it causes to normal daily life. To most humans, believing what others believe is more correct and more important than what the truth actually is.

Consider all the different sources of information and which kinds of people will embrace which sources. You've got those who will believe whatever is the current popular material just because others believe it. And you have those who protectively believe nothing, or just won't admit that they believe something. And you have those who just keep on absorbing all the old and new junk coming by, erroneously assuming that every claim and theory is another viable piece of a whole puzzle and that they could solve it if they just keep on studying it all. You've also got a lot of people who expect the aliens to be either holy and divine or evil and demonic, just because our contact is usually by spirit and not usually by body.

Most popular alien/UFO material, both physical and spiritual, is professionally fabricated and/or spun to serve public confusion and doubt. A great deal is also fabricated by those who see a business opportunity to take advantage of the ignorance and needs of others in order to take their money. Most of the rest of the alien/UFO material is offspring of all the fabricated material. So when a poor human has a genuine experience he could learn from firsthand all by himself, instead he goes to the media to find out what everybody else thinks it might mean. Hardly anybody even trusts or thinks to ask the only true source, which is the aliens.

So, if you had the "proof" you feel you need, what form would that have to be in and from whom would you accept it? And, most importantly, what exactly would it prove to you about the aliens?




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I think your question is very fair. But the most basic work is not done - a hypothesis that can be properly tested against the available data has yet to be formulated. I've proposed the skeleton of less ambitious one (there are anomalous phenomenon not explained entirely by natural forces with known physics).

You are completely right that there are many pos(t)ers who pretend to have deep and detailed knowledge that they can't support with any evidence at all. This is a variant of what is known as "Cargo Cult Science" that Feymnan spoke about. With a little experience you can see it coming from a mile away.

Your first mistake is listening to these wackjobs in the first place. Most of them were "nerds" in school and were social outcasts, so the internet has become a way for them to try to gain attention in strange ways... because there really is no way to prove or disprove their statements.

They say they've flown around with Aliens and I say they haven't. See the problem? None of these people have 1 shred of proof, NOT 1! I wonder why that is.....

So go ahead waste your time reading the fairy-tales provided by people like sleeper and observe50... I'll focus on things that actually matter...

Originally posted by observe50

I could describe a few ships because I have been within.

Sure you have...

I believe you... really...

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by observe50

I could describe a few ships because I have been within.

Sure you have...

I believe you... really...

Ahh fine example! I do hope you're being silly. The "lol" say's "kidding" but the statement is exactly what he was talking about.

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All I want to know is why does everyone say Aliens are light sensitive. Through many abduction experiences, people have often said that their ships have many bright lights, and that the interior is quite bright, too.

I'm sure aliens would be smart enough to make a colour scheme that wouldn't annoy them. So I think that the whole light sensitivity thing is fake.

I have a really difficult time believing people who discuss aliens and there craft with an air of superiority. They come off so nonchalantly as if its common knowledge but offer no evidence at all and ridicule the one demanding some kind of proof.

I rate those with the out of body people, at least the obe's if its true could offer some kind of proof by popping over my house and giving me detailed info of say my living room. Neither group who make these fantastical claims can offer anything but there word and snotty reply's if you an "unenlightened" being should question there more advanced and evolved spirituality.

Until one lands in my back yard and brings a case of cold ones with them to share. Then ill have to say naw to the lil green men and find a more terrestrial explanation as to what these people are seeing.

Ha, nobody wants to socialise with you anyway.

I really do feel sorry for "some of you". From what I am reading many of you shouldn't even be in this forum IMO you only come here to cause trouble.

I come here to share with you what they have given me to share and you don't even realize it. You can use your insulting words it only belittles you, and when the time comes you sure will look .......... how sad.

If you don't like what Sleeper and I have to offer here just put us on ignore.

You can save your insults I'm not returning to this thread again.

Originally posted by All Seeing Guy
All I want to know is why does everyone say Aliens are light sensitive. Through many abduction experiences, people have often said that their

Good point. This needs an explanation, or at least for people to be sensitive to (no pun intended) when reviewing these stories.

Originally posted by observe50
I really do feel sorry for "some of you". From what I am reading many of you shouldn't even be in this forum IMO you only come here to cause trouble.

Translation: "Unless you agree that I have a personal relationship with space aliens and have special knowledge that you don't have, you should not be allowed to post here with any opinion contrary to mine. I am a contactee. I'm special. You are not."

It should be some sort of new cyber-crime to be a false all-knowing prophet who holds the answers to the universe. Then they always get all bent out of shape when they get called on it... They absolutely love the feeling of the sheep eating up all their fairy-tale posts here... it's ridiculous.

"I come here to share with you what they have given me to share and you don't even realize it." LOL, well if "their" plan was to send some guy named observe50 onto the internet to spread "their" message, then the plan isn't working very well now is it? They might want to take a different approach to conveying their message...

[edit on 4-6-2007 by Diplomat]

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by observe50
I really do feel sorry for "some of you". From what I am reading many of you shouldn't even be in this forum IMO you only come here to cause trouble.

Translation: "Unless you agree that I have a personal relationship with space aliens and have special knowledge that you don't have, you should not be allowed to post here with any opinion contrary to mine. I am a contactee. I'm special. You are not."

That is not what she said. You have every right to question observe50's message. Its the attack on the messanger and not the message she speaks of. Observe50 is a grandmother trying to share messages to as many who will listen. Whether you believe her is your will. At least try to be polite and show some respect for her onging courage to speak on this forum.

Originally posted by Rhain


That is not what she said. You have every right to question observe50's message. Its the attack on the messanger and not the message she speaks of. Observe50 is a grandmother trying to share messages to as many who will listen. Whether you believe her is your will. At least try to be polite and show some respect for her onging courage to speak on this forum.

Hmm, first time I've heard observer50 is an old grandmother. Now it makes even more sense that it is a very bored person who has a lot of time to post stories on the internet...

[edit on 4-6-2007 by Diplomat]