Will the Real Planet Venus Please Stand Up!

Hey Mr Lear, I cant send you a U2U since I dont have 20 posts yet. My father just retired from the AF. (24 years Colonel). He flew the B52s, B1s as a OSO (offensive systems operator) and retired as a b2 squadron commander. He works now as a contractor for the AF. I believe he is in teh "know" about a lot of highly classified stuff. (UFOs, secret bases ect..)

Originally posted by Rilence

Not interested in any mars photos, this is a thread about venus...

Thanks for your post Rilence.

I repectfully request that you modify your responses to eliminate any qualities that might be considered rude. Zorgon asked you a question and it would be polite of you to answer.

With regard to the venusian photo, I have no idea what the rectangular feature on the photo is...Knowing the dodgy quality photos the russians sent back of the place, it could be anything

Rilence, I respectfully request that you cease this type of evasive response. The Russian photos are compartively very clear and for you to say the rectangular feature cold be [i[anything is evasive and untrue.

For instance, the rectangular feature could not be an animal. Nor could it be a cloud. It is not a blemish nor is it natural as you propose.

So lets please stop this type of obfuscative responses. I don't appreciate it. Yesterday you sent me a lengthy U2 outlining your interest and then immediately post this obstructive answer.

We would appreciate your input and your help on this thread but not if it going to be silly little comments like it could be anything. Thanks again for your post and I hope that further posts will be slightly more helpful and informative.

haven't really been following this thread much, partly because of the lack of good surface images available of Venus. But in new news, didn't the spacecraft "Messenger" just recently do a fly-by past Venus? I'm a bit fuzzy on that information, but I seem to recall reading something about it, anyway did it snap any images??!!

Originally posted by greatlakes

I'm a bit fuzzy on that information, but I seem to recall reading something about it, anyway did it snap any images??!!

Thanks for your post greatlakes and not to worry. Any pictures of Venus that were snapped would be as fuzzy as you claim to be.

True pictures of Venus which would show it very similar to earth in beauty will not be seen for many years. For now it will remain (at least for the uninformed) a sulphuric clouded pressurized exploding volcano!(Pictured in the yellow and orange tones that have become the standard for Venus.) (Yes, Virginia, there are people who truly believe NASA!)

Originally posted by johnlear
True pictures of Venus which would show it very similar to earth in beauty will not be seen for many years. For now it will remain (at least for the uninformed) a sulphuric clouded pressurized exploding volcano!(Pictured in the yellow and orange tones that have become the standard for Venus.) (Yes, Virginia, there are people who truly believe NASA!)

Thanks John, you're always such a voice of logic and reason in a world full of tabloid-like reporting!

Originally posted by greatlakes
haven't really been following this thread much, partly because of the lack of good surface images available of Venus. But in new news, didn't the spacecraft "Messenger" just recently do a fly-by past Venus? I'm a bit fuzzy on that information, but I seem to recall reading something about it, anyway did it snap any images??!!

I found this image from the official Messenger site.

Approaching Venus

On Oct. 24, 2006, the MESSENGER spacecraft came within 2,990 kilometers (1,860 miles) of Venus during its second planetary encounter. Twenty days before closest approach to Venus the MESSENGER Dual Imaging System snapped pictures of the planet from a distance of about 16.5 million kilometers (10.3 million miles). Despite the low resolution of the image on the left, one can see that Venus is shrouded in a thick blanket of clouds that hides its surface. The picture on the right is the same image expanded four times, clearly showing the dense Venusian cloud cover.

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[edit on 8-6-2007 by bridas]

Originally posted by bridas

I found this image from the official Messenger site.

Thanks bridas. Truly amazing, amazing pictures of Venus. I can only imagine what exploding, lava spewing volcanos, pressurized by 90 bars of atmosphere, lit by a thousand million lightning bolts breathing pure sulphuric acid lies beneath. Blues.

I am awed that Messenger got even that close without being shredded to itty bitty teenie weenie pieces by earth's Evil Twin. Obviously an ally of the earth based Axis of Evil. Oh, the humanity!

Thanks for the post bridas.

Originally posted by johnlear

Thanks bridas. Truly amazing, amazing pictures of Venus.

You`re welcome John. I thought the cloud cover was a nice touch.
Why can`t we see more pictures of when Messenger was closest to Venus? This one was taken twenty days out.

Yup, must be those pesky volcanoes. Wouldn`t want them erupting!

oh! Let me clarify:

The signals aren't from a spacecraft. Radar signals are fired from the Goldstone Deep Space Communication Complex to reflect off the surface of Venus. The round trip (Earth-Venus-Earth) takes something like 12 seconds..

A special antenna is used (diameter 64 meters) to facilitate planetary probes and the station's 400 kilowatts transmitter was used to obtain radar-images of Venus since 1974. The frequency used is 2320 MHz or the S-band. The best images were obtained when Venus was at inferior conjuction or nearest to Earth..

The Arecibo telescope is the biggest at 305 meters and has been used to transmit powerful signals to any possible civilization which might exist in the globular cluster M13. Several radar images of the surface of Venus were obtained between 1975 and 1977.

MARINER 10 - on its way to Mercury - has provided some good images of Venus in 1974; the PIONEER orbiter has sent back several high-resolution images during 1979.

Now: The ESA Portal regularly publishes the updates including video coverage on VENUS EXPRESS which reached Venus on April 11, 2006 after a five-month, 400 million kilometer journey inside the solar system and still in orbit around the planet.



The REAL Venus is standing up!



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Originally posted by watapi

The REAL Venus is standing up!

Thanks Watapi. Here is a picture of me and Bob Lazar at Goldstone. You would be surprised at how helpful they were. Of course, oddly enough, the most helpful one got fired about 2 weeks later. Can you imagine that?




As far as your theory that the real Venus is the fantasy given to us by NASA and ESA? No. No, thats not the real Venus. But hey! Thanks for your input. It is greatly regurgitated!

Originally posted by greatlakes
haven't really been following this thread much, partly because of the lack of good surface images available of Venus. But in new news, didn't the spacecraft "Messenger" just recently do a fly-by past Venus? I'm a bit fuzzy on that information, but I seem to recall reading something about it, anyway did it snap any images??!!

No it just shot laser beams at the planet... kinda a cosmic "drive by shooting"

practicing perhaps?



That's weird... I was sure I posted that the other day in this thread... I just checked... not there...

So here it is...

Venus Flyby

June 5, 2007: Picture this: A spaceship swoops in from the void, plunging toward a cloudy planet about the size of Earth. A laser beam lances out from the ship; it probes the planet's clouds, striving to reach the hidden surface below. Meanwhile, back on the craft's home world, scientists perch on the edge of their seats waiting to see what happens.

Sounds like science fiction? This is real, and it's happening today.

SOURCE

So now NASA has a new sport!!! They can add this to their previous "scientific research" that deliberately smashes multi million dollar probes into objects( some containing many pounds of Plutonium), just to see what they can "stir up" in the dust! Now they are taking pot shots at the planets with Laser Cannons!!!

I wonder if any of those "scientists" have ever considered the repercussions of dropping that much plutonium onto a planet in case there MIGHT be any microbes around?

Oh wait seems they did! They were concerned about Galileo contaminating Europa... (they had considered smashing it through the ice) so they turned it to crash on Jupiter instead

Here is what Enterprise Mission has on it

Nuking Jupiter

Fat man bomb 14 lbs of Plutonium
Galileo 50 lbs of Plutonium

Okay the "Cannon" part is an exagerration

To Rilence:

Its okay, no comment IS a comment... I can understand your reluctance to comment on the Mars image I posted... its a standard tactic for most skeptics to ignore anything really interesting


[edit on 8-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon

To Rilence:

Its okay, no comment IS a comment... I can understand your reluctance to comment on the Mars image I posted... its a standard tactic for most skeptics to ignore anything really interesting.

And on that note, Zorgon, it would be interesting to know what connection, if any, Rilence has to the Beacon Hill Boys.

Beacon Hill Boys?


Sounds like a gang from the twenties... What are the Beacon Hill Boys?

Did a quick google but nothing clicks


BTW Nice picture of you and Bob... I never saw that one before

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Originally posted by zorgon
That's weird... I was sure I posted that the other day in this thread... I just checked... not there...

Perhaps you've done this: Ever write a new thread and fail to insert any TITLE to the thread before posting? DOH, yea it gets deleted, and the back button don't work neither. Not that I've ever done that - I've just heard about from others

Fine, and one way or other we'll know the truth someday!

Thanks for the nice pic of yourself with Bob Lazar.

Originally posted by johnlear
You would be surprised at how helpful they were. Of course, oddly enough, the most helpful one got fired about 2 weeks later. Can you imagine that?

Strange that, isn`t it? You`d think he would be promoted being so helpful! Why is it that help is not appreciated?

Originally posted by bridas



Strange that, isn`t it? You`d think he would be promoted being so helpful! Why is it that help is not appreciated?



The poor guy was just trying to explain how all incoming signals came from Australia and that usually there was a 24 to 72 hour delay. So I asked why the delay in Australia and why didn't the signals come direct to Goldstone? So there was a big to do and nothing really got resolved or answered.

After the guy got fired he came to Vegas and applied for a job up at the test site. He got the job but had to wait about 9 months for a clearance. I guess he got the clearance and went to work there because I haven't heard one word from him for about 5 years. Imagine that! You'd think he'd check in once in a while and at least tell me if he was dead!

Originally posted by uberarcanist
Thanks for that, bridas. Very helpful. So the question must be asked, were the Soviets in on the deception, if it indeed existed?

During the 60's and most of the 70's there was in fact active collaboration between the USSR and parties in the US and while governments might fight over certain issues they agree on such basics as keeping their various citizenry ignorant of the truths that would enable them . Both countries kept the truth about Mars secret so we know there is not only economic and political collaboration but also shared ideas of what their populations should and should not know and how best to keep it from them.

I think the answer must be "no" on both counts.

Why?

There was no deception, there is no deception, and if there had been, the Soviets almost certainly would not have helped America keep the wool over the world's eyes about Venus' true nature.

There are now a number of threads about Mars and how much the science community had to admit in the last decade and if seeing all that information, and noting how long must of that has been known or suspected based on good evidence, does not convince you of the effectiveness of their deception strategies i might not be able to help you.

At this stage i have not really looked at the Venus information but i do have a number of questions.

1: How were the landing craft slowed down for a soft landing; as i remember they used parachutes but how is that possible with such pressure and heat?

2: As a previous posted pointed out how did the equipment survive the heat, pressure and acidity?

3: What is producing the carbonyl sulphide, where is the carbon monoxide and why is the hydrogen sulphide and sulphur dioxide not interacting as they are expected to?

www.newscientist.com...

4: Where did the Venusian Oceans go and why are Ocean floor mineral deposits still on the surface with so much volcanic activity and general weathering??

findarticles.com...

Stellar

Originally posted by greatlakes
Perhaps you've done this: Ever write a new thread and fail to insert any TITLE to the thread before posting?

Nah its in another thread

Venus Born Again

This may be a fictional story about how our current concept of Venus was developed.

Early in the 1960’s, at the beginning of the space program it was decided by the ‘deciders’ that no planet in our solar system should be inhabited. At least as far as the public was concerned.

Deep in a secret underground bunker, a secret meeting is brought to order.

“Gentlemen, I have been assigned the task of making Venus uninhabitable and you are here to help me.

Now, whatever preconception you’ve had about Venus, whatever you’ve heard about it being a beautiful and habitable planet similar to earth is out the window forever. Venus is no longer habitable, the lights are out and nobody is home.

Now, let’s have some ideas.”

“How about heat…how about making it 150 degrees?”

“150 degrees? Heck we’ll make it 1000 degrees!”

“Too round a number. How about 800 degrees?”

“800 degrees it is. Heck lead melts at 600.”

“How about a few volcanoes and lava?”

“Good, good, but not just a few volcanoes, I want ‘em all over the place, the entire planet carpeted with hot, flowing lava.

Come on now lets think outside the box. Ideas?”

“How about an atmosphere of sulphuric acid?

“Excellent, excellent. We’ll mix it with carbon dioxide. Come on now guys, lets not be bashful. We want this place to be so scary that nobody will ever think it to be habitable.”

“How about an atmospheric pressure several times that of earth?”

“Several times? We’ll make it a hundred times! No, no…that’s not believable, make it 90 times. That’s it, 90 bars! 90 times earths’ atmospheric pressure. Anything that is not burnt or suffocated will be squished to smithereens!

Gentlemen I think we have ourselves a planet. One more thing. Any pictures of Venus will be henceforth be rendered in yellow and orange. That will make ‘em think it hotter than you know where.”

"Sir, let me respectfully suggest that this is a joke. Nobody is going to believe that all of this could be on one planet. It’s crazy!"

"Let me tell you son: if we repeat it often enough and loud enough, they’ll believe it. Believe me."

And so earths Evil Twin was born. Again.