Hiv/Aids...its really a conspiracy...

The classic Hiv/Aids conspiracy and the FDA approval on toxic medication. You know what annoys its how that somewhere out there, there could or is a possible cure for aids/Hiv.

Lets look at it this way, let me tell you a story...

In class we had 2 people come in from the aids task force, they were both hiv positive and actually did have aids at one point, but because they take medication they are just barely doing good but still living. There was a women, she was diagnosed with hiv at 18, and over the years...lets just say that what that women went through was just horrible...she has my out most respect for living this long...she is in her 20's i think late 20s. She has to take 20+pills a day. The Guy found out he was hiv positive later in his life, he also went through allot and i have respect for him, he takes about 10 pills a day.

THe woman told us about her daily and weekly life. It usually begins trying to get up out of bed, taking your pills, having diarrhea for 3 hours, then doing what ever else you need to do...she trys to work, other days she just sits around the house. its just horrible...she also said that there were allot of side effects from the medicine that she takes.

I mean come on you cant expect stuff like AZT to be helpfull, i dont think she takes it though.

Anyway i mean i have been reading allot on homeopathic, and alternative medicine. Why doesnt the FDA just try to have medical tests done. I mean you look at the blood electrification, and other articles similar to that and you just think...wow maybe this can really help why dont they just try it. Its just there are so many things out there i know some are lies and scams but others like blood electrification i have faith in. I honestly think there is a conspiracy holding the cure, i mean there is too much money in it, the guy that takes 10 pills a day has to pay $2,000 a for his medication. And that stuff may keep him alive for 10-20 years.

Does the FDA rule over other country's. I have heard that Iran is having success with a possible cure and better treatment. I am sure they would be interesting in electromagnetic techniques for cleaning the body.


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I mean i have yet to find suitable scientific tests that prove that AZT can help to improve hiv/aids patients...or any tests to prove that it is good for you other than that it is very toxic.

I also have not heard of any major, scientific tests done that would prove that blood electrification and all of the possible beck protocols are good at fighting this disease.


go figure, if they could let a person take AZT, they could sure as hell do a study on blood electrification and show the world or any other alternative treatments, maybe they have and no the result.

just to name a few

- drinking apple cider vinegar
- Ozone
- Colloidal silver
- again with the blood electrification
- hydrogen peroxide in orange juice
- and what about just plain human biology, i mean what would happen today if the guy that supposidly found the hiv virus..never found it, would people still be dieing.

I would like to see some studies done about eletrofication techniques and success. Can you link to any sites? Thanks. I have heard about it but haven't really studied into it quite yet. Interesting topic.

Originally posted by ATSGUY
I mean i have yet to find suitable scientific tests that prove that AZT can help to improve hiv/aids patients...or any tests to prove that it is good for you other than that it is very toxic.

I'm pretty sure they don't use AZT anymore (why they did in the first place is beyond me also). I have two HIV positive friends. One has been poz for 20+ years, the other, about 4 or 5. Both do not take AZT anymore. The one who's over 20 years used to. I asked them outright if they did. I've also asked my doctor about this.

I also have not heard of any major, scientific tests done that would prove that blood electrification and all of the possible beck protocols are good at fighting this disease.

It is strange that "they" wouldn't even test this mechanism.

- drinking apple cider vinegar

Never heard of this. Use?

- hydrogen peroxide in orange juice

Wouldn't this be caustic?

- and what about just plain human biology, i mean what would happen today if the guy that supposidly found the hiv virus..never found it, would people still be dieing.

Something started the AIDS phenomenum. AIDS was here before they found the virus. Although, I agree about the human body. There are people who are "immune" to HIV I believe that are being studied. Also, people who have been poz for a long time that haven't developed into AIDS.

If the people that do the electrification haven't done any testing or tried to get it approved through the FDA, then it won't.

The FDA doesn't go out looking for stuff. They take what is submitted and then after testing...approves it. They're not a cure research group. That's in the hands of bio-tech companies that get government funding based on research.

My wife deals with the FDA and AIDs/HIV every day.


It's quite a process, but if a company screws up just a bit...many people could be affected in ways you can't imagine. That's why the FDA rides them so hard.

How would you like an AIDs test that would be wrong even 1% of the time? People that have it think they don't and those that don't think they do. FDA has to be sure. You can't guess it.

There are 2 good sites that give a good explanation on the basis of the machines, the use of the beck protocol and all is great.

Here is a wiki, and a educate-yourself article on it.

en.wikipedia.org...

educate-yourself.org...

The basis of the machine is just using small electric currents to disable the virus, then using colloidal silver and ozone to detox and help rid the body of pathogens, of course beck died a few years ago. He didnt realize that even though his machines did clean out and destroy the hiv virus and bring it down to minimal levels it didnt get rid of it all. Recently we learned that the majoprity of it is in the gut, so a man BG (BABY GRAND) used the information and constructed a device known as Godzilla...it should theoretically get rid of the hiv in the gut...Also the devices arent sopposed to work jsut for hiv but for all other diseases like cancer, and hep-c even smaller viruses. it takes time though...

This is all worked from the yahoo groups microelectricgermkiller group

health.groups.yahoo.com...

if you join you can find a wealth of information, its only sad that not many people know about it..if they did then the test could have been bigger.

here are some results on hiv, to find the hiv articles join the group, go to files,disease research,and hiv/aids research.

I want to preface that some say the numbers do not mean anything but
I go do the lab work because I need to see some results from my
Zilling and all my efforts. I know good health should be enough.
Anyway here it goes. I started Zilling April 1, 2003 with my home
made Gozilla. My numbers at that time were from my latest labs of
March 14, 2003. CD4 = 561 HIV PCR QN = 90654. After Zilling April
through May I finally got my Bob Beck SGR1 and started sleeping with
the machine on my wrist all night at the 4 ( mamps?) range. The first
one that shows up when you turn it on. I feel the pulses more with
that setting. So it would be 7 to 8 hours of sleep with it on every
day for a month. I just got my latest numbers 6/20/2003 and the
numbers came back as follows CD4 = 503 and HIV PCR QN = 24300.

THere are long results, all of them are posative

AIDS
January 26, 1982 was a fateful day. While in the hospital for breast
reduction surgery at the age of 44, I received a blood transfusion.
Within hours I felt I was battling for my life. When I was finally
diagnosed with HIV in early 1995, I was suffering from childhood
diseases-chicken pox and mumps-herpes sores in my mouth, a peptic
ulcer, aneurysm, numerous allergies, aches and pains, and I was
always tired. My liver was so bad, the doctor thought I was an
alcoholic. I was now taking a variety of prescription drugs.

there are more accounts, they are just too big to post, here is one on cancer...

RESEARCH FORM--please use for reporting your results. None of this
is mandatory, but it would help us if you would please fill in as
much as you can. You should file one of these about every month or
two during treatment, and once it's cleared up, then once a year for
a few years, so we have the followup information.

Subject info
a. Age: 46
b. Illness and diagnosis if any: Cancerous lesions on the liver as a
result of long term hep-c infection
c. Electrical treatment problems: electrical implants, pacemakers,
etc: n/a

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If those are the "tests" and the "results" then no wonder the FDA dosn't touch it and you being upset with the FDA is misplaced as well.


Like I said, the FDA doesn't do research.

Those results could be completely fake or imagined. It's certainly not real testing with numerious subjects and a control group. It's more like someone writing a diary. I could say the being around my dog each day fro 3 hours seemed to make my back muscles feel better too. It doesn't make it so.

They are making strides in HIV research and yes, there are conspiracy issues regarding the sudject (I've written lots on the subject), but I don't think this "cure" not getting to the FDA is one of them.

First of all there are more drugs avaliable than just AZT (AZT being one of the first drugs used to treat HIV infection). We currently have around 30 HIV medications avaliable, and while in many cases they do cause terrible side effects there are a number of people that have no side effects as well. Some HIV medications are particularly more tolerable than others such as Lexiva or Kaletra as opposed to Fuzeon, Sustiva, and Viramune.

What many people fail to realize about the medications is that although they have terrible side effects like diarrhea, dementia, dysentery, and schizophrenia just to name but a few they are all that we currently have developed to help stop the virus. As for a cure, you must all realize that by the time HIV infection has run it's course throughout the human body there are close to 900 Billion different strains of the virus in a single human. The virus, upon entering a T4 Cell, uses part of the cells own DNA to "mask" itself from all the rest of the cells in your body, so that when enough viral particles have built up inside the cell and the cell explodes the newly produced cells no longer recognize the newly formed virus. Then when the newly formed virus enters another cell and starts the process over again it uses part of that cells DNA and is constantly "morphing" and disguising itself from every cell in a persons body.

Now, as I mentioned there are estimates that up to 900 Billion strains of the virus live inside a single human after there have been enough replications. This essentially means that someone developing a vaccination drug and shot for the disease would have to account for all the different strains of HIV...meaning...a single human would need at the very least 900 Billion vaccination shots in A SINGLE DOSE.

As we know, there are essentially no cures for any viral infections. The polio vaccination shot you received as a child, or the influenza vaccination shot you receive as an adult are merely immune system boosters...not cures. In plain non-scientific terms a vaccination is merely a shot you get that loads your system with dead viral particles from a particular strain of virus. Then when your body is invaded by that virus, your body recognizes it and can kill it. So again, there are no cures for viruses...its just your own body doing the work with a little bit of help along the way.

When you get a vaccination for a particular virus what you are getting is a vaccine for ONE STRAIN of whatever virus might invade your body. This is why some people get several influenza vaccines throughout there life; one for each strain of the virus. Harkening back to HIV, remember the large quantity of strains I mentioned that are produced inside a persons body? Even a simple vaccination for one HIV strain is a complicated thing, now, imagine developing 900 Billion of those. Sorry to say, but it is very unlikely to happen anytime soon with the (let's be honest) primitive medical techniques we currently have.

So, people with HIV infection simply rely on medications to do the job where nothing else seems to work. Are the medications primitive and terrible to take? Yes. Are the medications expensive? Yes. Are there currently other options? No.

As far as the blood electrification issue is concerned...it's a novel idea, but I highly doubt it will work. When I teach classes on this subject I always get questions concerning blood electrification and possible cures through cryogenics. If you really want to know why they will probably not work I can explain it, but it's going to be a huge post (far more thant the 8000 character maximum we are allowed in our posts). Just do some searching on credible websites and you will find the answers, and remember...

HIV is not actually a "living" orgainism!

i would like to know more, please explain. Even though it may not work, i still would like there to be trials done on the blood electrification and bob beck protocols, just to see if they have any other effect on the body positive t words hiv, even though it may not cure...beck stated that it did cure symptoms and he is a man i respect and trust.

Originally posted by ATSGUY
i would like to know more, please explain.

I will post the information you want sometime tomorrow. I will have to gather a few materials from work in order to fully explain it, and I will try to do it in as few words as possible. Sorry for the late reply to your request, but I will provide you with the answer you want as soon as possible. Be ready for a lengthy post.

Ok, first off, everyone please take a look at this site...

HIV Fraud

This website, www.thebody.com, is a very reliable way to find information on HIV/AIDS and other diseases and is run and updated by Physicians. To be honest, Electrotherapy as a possible cure for HIV/AIDS is kind of like the machine from the early 1900's that proposed you could lose weight by letting a belt shake your midsection violently. It is very difficult for me to believe that passing electrical current through a person will cure them or even get rid of a small amount of HIV. There simply has been nothing done with it to prove that it works.

Also, anyone wonder why the only websites that claim to offer miracle cures for HIV are always independant websites, and why the claim they have performed tests, yet no real physician has ever heard of these supposed tests? I'm not about to say that electrotherapy has nothing to offer, but at this juncture I see no viable information to suggest otherwise.

Because HIV lives inside your T4 Cells as well as outside of them, you would essentially need to electrocute and destroy the T4 Cells as well. If you did this, your body would no longer have an immune system, and the effects of the constant electricity flowing through your body killing these important cells would far outweigh what even HIV can do to you. Various cells throughout a persons body are effected by electricity such as fibroblasts, macrophages, neutrophils and/or erythrocytes. T4 Cells belong in the category of cells called Lymphocytes and are produced specifically by the Thymus. However, it does not appear the Lymphocytes are directly or indirectly influenced by electricity.

So, because I see no research done which has verified that Lymphocytes are or have ever been affected by electricity I am forced to believe that an electrical current would have no affect on them. If this is the case, then Electrotherapy would not kill any virus (like HIV) that also lives within the T4 Cells.

Here is a pretty good webpage from Indiana State that describes the various types of cells and their effects on the body:

Indiana State- Immunology

Cells specifically produced for the body's immunological purposes serve an entirely different need in the human body and are quite different from regular red blood cells which also behave in a different manner. Electrotherapy may very well work (although I see no credible evidence of it) for other purposes in the human body, it does not appear that this somewhat evasive procedure will have much effect or affect on the Virus itself nor on the cells that it inhibits.

Well at least that didn't take as much time to discuss as I thought it would. I urge everyone to explore credible websites, and not to trust website that offer a "quick fix". Here in modern society we are inundated throughout our entire lives to believe that if we want something immediately, we can get it immediately. There is little to no PATIENCE in our vocabulary, and it continues when we want cures to illnesses that continue to afflict large groups of our population. People scream, "Why is there not a cure now", or "They must be hiding it if there is", etc. The simple fact is that humans have no cures to viral infections. Vaccination shots are not cures.

I hate to say it, but with some things in life us humans will simply have to WAIT for the answer or cure to whatever ails us to come along. I know millions die from this disease every day, and trust me, if there were a cure or possible course for finding a cure it would be front page news and not a minor blip on some obscure website about natural remedy's.

If you have any further question please don't hesitate to ask.

Great post i have to admit i am skeptical on some of the cure's against aids/hiv...to be frank there aren't allot out there. But blood electrification is the only one that had a meical trial...i am talking of course about the two einstien medical students who subjected a vat of blood infected with hiv with low current. They showed that the electricity didn't kill the virus but just inactivated the virus. I for one think that the a human red blood cells outer layer is more reseiliant to low electrical impulses. And since HIv is considered a weak virus, it could be that the outer layer is dismantled in a way that it cannot inject its RNA into the tcells.

Also it was given a class 2 status with the FDA, and a patent...

patent 5139684

To be honest i am just a high school kid, going to college soon. What i say cant really be considered gold, i try to take in what i read as the truth when it comes to blood electrification. I hope that in the future i can continue studies...i mean who knows, if we cant fight viruses with conventional medicine, maybe we need to think of a new way to fight against them.

I mean either use the blood electrification, create a super virus that attacks the hiv virus (wow thats a great idea there), or try to stop the billions of strains of hiv in the body with a little vaccine.

Great find ATSGUY, reading through that patent will take me awhile, but I will do so eventually. You have sparked a bit of interest in me on this issue and I will do some further research at work to see what I can find. Thanks for bringing this topic up.

PS- It doesn't matter if you are in high school, college, or the good ol' workforce. You seem to have a very inquisitive mind I say more power to you if one day you or someone else discovers that some form of electrotherapy is good for people with HIV infection, or maybe even (dare I say it) a cure!

I'll get back to you after I do further research.

Along with the blood electrification i also found this on another site, it is mainly a health bored

I thought this would be of interest to you all. Hopefully this would be of interest enough to make it on some hiv/aids websites. I am shaking my head in disbelief the mainstream media has not mentioned one word of this.

Here is the gist of story. There is a doctor in Canada by the name of Harold Foster who made some interesting observations about hiv in regard to geography. In areas of the world that have high soil level concentrations of selenium also have extremely low hiv infection rates. He mentions Senegal as a case and point. Senegal lies in area that has very high selenium levels and also have very open sexuality - the hiv infection rate is around 1%. He mentions that many viruses use selenium as a que as to when to reproduce. Hiv is parasitic for selenium in cells, and when it senses selenium is about to be used up, it starts to replicate in search of more selenium. Basically once selenium is used up in a cell, it hunts for another cell and this process goes on until selenium is used up in the body. Selenium is also crucial for the human immune system. Without it, the human immune system collapses. There are a 3 amino acids the human body uses to make a substance called glutathione which work in concert with selenium that is strongly antiviral. He tested his theory in africa recently with almost all recovering after a few weeks. It's been said that a hiv victim in the western world is worth 250,000 dollars to the drug companies. And along with the prejudice against people infected with hiv, it's no wonder this hasn't made the news. Imagine someone being able to go back to work with just supplementing with selenium and a couple amino acids?

Finland is another example of a country that had started using selenium enriched fertilzer in it's soils and also has low hiv infection rates - something like less than 1%. In Finland, selenium has been added to fertilizers since 1984, which has raised the selenium intake of Finns to an adequate level. Neighboring countries that have poor soil selenium have much higher infection rates. So if a person who is hiv - eats a diet that is elevated in selenium, this appears to have a protective effect against hiv infection.

Interestingly, Foster states that several viruses including HIV-1 have evolved the ability to create an even greater selenium deficiency in those they infect. [ deleted ]

For further reading:

"Environmental factors and the pathogenesis of selenium-CD-4 cell tailspin in AIDS." Chinese Journal of AIDS and STD, Vol. 10(5), p 390-392,402 2004.
"AIDS and the selenium-CD4T cell tailspin." World Journal of Infection, Vol. 3(6), p 456-459, 2003.
"Micronutrients in pathogenesis and treatment of AIDS," Foreign Medical Sciences: Section of Medgeography, Vol. 24(2), p 49-53, 2003.
"Why HIV-1 has diffused so much more rapidly in Sub-Saharan Africa than in North America." Medical Hypotheses, Vol. 60(4), p 611-614, 2003.
"How HIV-1 kills: Implications for the treatment and prevention of AIDS." Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, No. 255, p 76-78, 2002.
"Aids and the 'selenium - CD4T cell tailspin': the geography of a pandemic," Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, No. 209, p 94-99, 2000.

site but someone posted this..

Now this was found on another site, i hope the mods don't think im trying to direct people to another bored site, i am not it is just there is too much information to post about this, here is a discousion about it on the aids health bored site...

www.healthboards.com...


Also one more thing, i was thinking about this, there are things and enzymes that probably kill the virus... would it be possible that if a person eats or drinks a food with enough of this enzyme, over time it can be absorbed into the body and help destroy the virus...just a theory, maybe there is that special food out there...
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I was looking for something new on this subject and found this thread.

I became interested, when i first found out about Dr. Becks blood electrification. I started researching the whole AIDS thing, and was very surprised, when i found more info.

So much actually, that i started writing a book on it, back in 2000.

I started researching, and ended up reading thousands of documents full of incredible stuff.

There are many scientists, who don't agree with the official HIV/AIDS theory. Some say HIV is a harmless retrovirus, others say HIV doesn't even exist. But they all agree on the fact, that it doesn't cause AIDS.

I don't have the time to explain even a part of it, but if anyone is interested, it would be better for them to check out the documents themselves. I might get something wrong.


Anyway, this is the site with all this info: www.virusmyth.net


There you can read:
- how Robert Gallo "discovered" HIV, after "discovering" two other viruses, which turned out to be a cross contamination and not viruses
- how he actually stole the "discovery" from a french scientist
- how this french scientist doesn't even believe himself anymore that HIV causes AIDS
- where AZT and other AIDS drugs really come from and why
- what AZT and other drugs really do
- and much more.


Now, i don't pretend to know everything about HIV and i forgot quite a lot in the last few years, but reading those official FDA documents and articles published by scientists made me feel i'm reading a crime novel, or a very good conspiracy.

For me it was enough to discover that many scientists don't agree with the official theory. I did not expect this. And i'm talking about serious scientists here, mostly well known for their discoveries, one of them even a nobel prize winner.

I still can't say for sure, if it's a conspiracy or not, but i also don't simply believe the official theory anymore.

[edit on 21-12-2007 by deezee]

Originally posted by deezee
I was looking for something new on this subject and found this thread.

I became interested, when i first found out about Dr. Becks blood electrification. I started researching the whole AIDS thing, and was very surprised, when i found more info.

So much actually, that i started writing a book on it, back in 2000.

I started researching, and ended up reading thousands of documents full of incredible stuff.

There are many scientists, who don't agree with the official HIV/AIDS theory. Some say HIV is a harmless retrovirus, others say HIV doesn't even exist. But they all agree on the fact, that it doesn't cause AIDS.

I don't have the time to explain even a part of it, but if anyone is interested, it would be better for them to check out the documents themselves. I might get something wrong.


Anyway, this is the site with all this info: www.virusmyth.net


There you can read:
- how Robert Gallo "discovered" HIV, after "discovering" two other viruses, which turned out to be a cross contamination and not viruses
- how he actually stole the "discovery" from a french scientist
- how this french scientist doesn't even believe himself anymore that HIV causes AIDS
- where AZT and other AIDS drugs really come from and why
- what AZT and other drugs really do
- and much more.


Now, i don't pretend to know a lot about HIV and i forgot quite a lot in the last few years, but reading those official FDA documents and articles published by scientists made me feel i'm reading a crime novel, or a very good conspiracy.

It is really a mystery but recently a video was put on the web that might explain allot:

Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America

www.youtube.com...

This stunning censored interview conducted by medical historian Edward Shorter for WGBH public television (Boston) and Blackwell Science was cut from The Health Century due to its huge liability--the admission that Merck drug company vaccines have traditionally been injecting cancer viruses (SV40 and others) in people worldwide.

This segment of In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and freely contributed by consumer protector and public health expert, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the world's leading vaccine expert, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck's vaccines have spread AIDS, leukemia, and other horrific plagues worldwide.

Please forward this clip (link) to everyone you know who thinks vaccines are "safe and effective."

I also found this document to be very interesting;

www.mikehagan.com...
password: phasefive1978

this PDf is the last of 15 annual reports that document the laboratory creation of the aids virus with the research and study of cancer causing viruses...it is over 400 pages!



www.youtube.com...
there are some sick people in this world!!!

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You shouldn't quote entire posts in your replies. Just a couple of sentences your reply is related to.

Otherwise the entire quote will get deleted automatically.


BTW: For me the question is not where HIV came from. I've heard theories about it being made in labs before.

But after reading almost 4000 pages of documents and articles, the real questions became:

Does HIV really exist?
And if it does exist, does it really cause AIDS?

And i would never raise these questions, if i didn't have a good reason and investigated it A LOT, first.


The thing is, many scientists and doctors believe in AIDS, but not in it's connection with HIV. Instead they treat the diseases, that occur in AIDS themselves, and are sucessfull at it.

I could go on for days, without end but i simply don't have the time to explain it all. But i can list a few things i remember:

- HIV tests are unreliable and can show a positive result with many other conditions or no conditions whatsoever.
- AZT and other drugs have side effects that read like AIDS symptoms (give a healthy individual AZT and he'll look like an AIDS patient soon)
- AZT aprooval study was criminally flawed
- there is NO test, to proove the presence of HIV, only supposed HIV antibodies
- HIV was never trully isolated (there is a reward to be collected for anyone who can isolate it, or even proove it already was by showing the documents) Since it wasn't isolated, how can we then test for it, or even prove it's existance?
- "virus count" tests are in reality DNA multipliers (PCR) and are not supposed to be used in a quantifying manner (says Kerry Mullins - the discoverer of PCR, who won the nobel prize for it. He also believes HIV doesn't cause AIDS) Since they multiply the DNA (or DNR in this case) they multiply it's numbers, and if you then coun't the multiplication you get the result of it, and not the original number
- besides, how can HIV even be tested for if it was never isolated in the first place?


I don't remember more right now. If i do, i'll add it. And BTW: I have literally thousand of documents to back it all up, and everyone can find most of them at www.virusmyth.net

After reading all that information, a picture emerged in my mind.

A picture of how reality might look like.

And it was quite interesting in the beginning (when i started writing) and horrifying in the end (when i stopped).


I could have just believed it all and write about it, but i'm not a doctor. I could be wrong. But could all those 1000's of doctors and scientists be wrong?

Well, one group definatelly is wrong. The larger group consists of those, who believe in the HIV/AIDS connection.

The (much) smaller group consists of those, who don't.


But the fact is, that the latter group researches all this, while most from the first group simply believe the official theory, and don't bother researching.



BTW: A funny thought occured. The "proof" of the HIV's existance and connection with AIDS reminds me of the proof of the Al Quaeda's connection with 911..

Oh i forgot this one:

- where AZT and other AIDS drugs really come from.

Most (or all?) of them were very old FAILED cancer drugs. Failed, because they killed all the rats in tests!

The only reason they started using them was because they already had them on the shelf and were in a rush, to be the first, to put out an AIDS drug.

They "prooved" it kills HIV in vitro, and stated that it does so at non-toxic levels.

Then, in the trials, they simply didn't count all those people, which actually died from it.

It was supposed to be a double blind study, where neither the patients nor the doctors know, which group is getting AZT and which is getting the placebo.

But the effects were so toxic, that the doctors soon realised which group is getting the drug. Many in this group needed constant blood transfusions to stay alive. Many still died. Also, the patients were trading the pills, hoping they would work, thereby contaminating the results.

In the end, all this was ignored, and they stated, that AZT is so good it would be unethical to deny it to the many AIDS sufferers, so they stopped the study BEFORE it was over.

But! How could they draw conclusions BEFORE it was over, since it was supposed to be a DOUBLE BLIND study?!?

They knew very well, who was taking what, since it was so obvious from all the people dying even faster than usual. But they just ignored it, aprooved it and started pushing it.

After the study was released through the FOIA (Imagine this! Why was it even kept secret at all?), independent scientists discovered that patients taking AZT actually died FASTER then those taking the placebo.

The other, newer drugs may be slightly less toxic, but they all have the same origins and the real question is not if they work or not, but if there is something (HIV) to work against in the first place!

Interesting thread
Here's some scientific studies done, that prove that silver kills HIV and any other virus......

I took some collodial silver quite a few years back, but unfortunately apart from the dent in my pocket it didn't seem to improve my overall health at all..

www.physorg.com...
www.colloidsforlife.com...