Physicist Says: Scientific Proof That God Does Exist!

You are assuming things about my views.


Science is indeed a double edge sword.

Of course not all modern technology is "bad".


And I don't deny that the basics of Arithmetic, Geometry, physics, calculus, etc. are useful, and even necessary.


For example, see the following link I posted earlier:

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"The student that wants to elevate himself to the world of Intuition must be a Mathematician, or at least have notions of Arithmetic..."

"...No one was admitted into the school of Pythagoras if they were not knowledgeable about mathematics, music, etc."

However, the lunar-minded intellectual-mammals(as opposed to the Tibetan Adepts, for example, who are real Solar Men) are obviously not ready for much of this technology.

Why?

"The interplanetary voyages are only for divine humanities of the starry space.

"The human being of the earth is not yet worthy to penetrate the starry space.

"Let us put a chimpanzee or any other type of ape inside the laboratory and observe what will happen"...

When the intellect is put in service of The Lord God of Truth Within(the microscosm and macrocosm are inseparable), then true Science and Medicine will be the result.

But when the intellect is put in the service of the animal-mind, we then become much worse than animals.

The animals without opposable-thumbs and without intellect are not capable of producing pollution, nuclear weapons, etc.

The Master or Adept Sufi, Gnostic, Rosicrucian, Buddhist, Taoist Alchemist, etc. are not capable of creating such abominations either.

It is only the humanoid intellectual-animal(as opposed to the Solar Man or Hu-Man) that is destroying this planet.



And the modern "doctors" are pathetic.

They only make a racket out of butchering the human body and poisoning it with synthetic concoctions and what-not(so much for the Hippocratic Oath ).


But of course these ignorant know-it-alls laugh at the authentic Rosicrucian and Tibetan doctors.


Now the following were/are truly capable of healing people:

Imhotep/AEsculapius, Hippocrates, Yehoshua of Nazareth, Roger Bacon, Paracelsus, Nostradamus, Avicenna, Galen, Francis Bacon, John Heydon, Franz Hartmann, Yeshi Dhonden, etc.


It is rediculous that the contemporary doctors don't even know that the Caduceus is symbolic of the Kundalini Force, Shekem, Shakti, Holy Spirit, Shekinah, etc....




[edit on 27-5-2007 by Tamahu]

Albert Einstein believed in the type of God that Baruch Spinoza explained. A God that created the laws of the universe we live by, such as gravity and inertia, and the harmony of nature. Madnessinmysoul, you're taking Einstein's quote out of context. When he says that he does not believe in a "personal God," he means that he believes God does not interfere with mankind. But he DOES believe that there is a God who created the universe.

So he apparently was a Deist?



Newton, Hawkings, Einstein

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
Albert Einstein believed in the type of God that Baruch Spinoza explained. A God that created the laws of the universe we live by, such as gravity and inertia, and the harmony of nature.

no, that's not spinoza's god at all. spinoza's god WAS the laws of the universe. gravity, ineritia, etc.

Madnessinmysoul, you're taking Einstein's quote out of context. When he says that he does not believe in a "personal God," he means that he believes God does not interfere with mankind. But he DOES believe that there is a God who created the universe.

no, again, you're misunderstanding this. einstein used the word god a lot, so did carl sagan, but both were atheists. they used the word god as a metaphor for that which we don't yet understand or the laws of the universe.

spinoza's god was the universe. that's what you don't really get.

Originally posted by biotic
physics prove god exists?

well i guess now I HAVE to believe

AMEN to that.

How come some religious people try to make others believe, and this guy says he has proven it. i say £5,000 says its the God at the base of his religion, not the other ones.

God is a mathematician and its His Language.
The bible states this over and over.

The four fundamental forces along with Sound + Vibration = Geometric Shapes (Cymatics)

Sound makes shape
the Bigbang was a sound wave.
The Word created the Universe
Its really very clear.

God is leading us forward.
His universe is full of life that is in His Image
It takes Humanoid form

The EBE's use technology we have only in secret, future technology that incorporates fundamental elements of the universe is Spin.

Spin is essential to integrating the fifth force antigravity or dark energy
The use of spin is the technology of the future.

WORD!
Torsion Fields are the Physics that are missing from Physics Primers
Fascial System is the System missing from Anatomy/Physiology Primers

God exists outside of what science can observe or test

science has nothing to do with proving , or disproving God

people think (non-believers) that science negates faith . not really

this is partly why people like richard dawkins & their ignorant tirades where they lump all religons in together are a joke

Originally posted by Brad_cf
God exists outside of what science can observe or test

So how do you know this?

science has nothing to do with proving , or disproving God

Quite true, science deals with facts and religion deals with fictions

people think (non-believers) that science negates faith . not really

In a way it does - how can a scientist when working with facts believe the unbelievable (i.e. miracles etc)?

this is partly why people like richard dawkins & their ignorant tirades where they lump all religons in together are a joke

Why are they're tirades ignorant? Is it because you dont like what they say? Is it because you think that religion deserves to be respected and 'untouchable' i.e not a bad word can be said about it or its followers?

And heres a thing, us non-theists usually lump you religionites together because you believe in deitie(s) and we dont - it doesn't matter to us which deity you worship (nor do we care).


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Originally posted by Brad_cf
God exists outside of what science can observe or test

so you don't believe in miracles? or jesus? or any other intervention from god into our lives?

science has nothing to do with proving , or disproving God

you're right, proving fictional characters exist or don't exist doesn't need to be bothered with.

people think (non-believers) that science negates faith . not really

but it directly contradicts the very CONCEPT of faith. reason and faith are incompatible.

this is partly why people like richard dawkins & their ignorant tirades where they lump all religons in together are a joke

have you even read dawkins, sam harris, or dennet? they're quite knowledgable and far from ignorant on religions. and just because we make a sweeping generalization that all religious people believe in the supernatural (something that happens to be...true) doesn't mean we lump all those dangerous fictions together.

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There is an incredible misunderstanding as to the nature of God. Most
organized religions, particularly Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have
anthropomorphized God into something superhuman yet with human traits.
For example; in their so-called holy books; whether the Quran or the Old
and New Testaments; the imaginary deity communicates, judges, makes
covenants with, rewards, punishes, and occasionally terrorizes the
alleged prophet or one selected to receive the holy word. This is all
delusion.

God does exist. But you only get the correct answer if you ask the right
question. The question should be- What is God?- not Who is God? Here is
the solution to the riddle. GOD IS INFINITE ENERGY. Thus there is no
beginning and no ending to the universe. Planets may come into existence
and be destroyed. The human race and all living things may cease to
exist but "infinite energy" always was and always will be.

Prayer, meditation or other techniques may be quite helpful in enabling
mere mortals to tap into this "infinite energy." Adepts, savants or
illuminated ones may possess this ability. Miracles or supernatural
feats which cannot be explained by current scientific knowledge make
sense if done by aliens from another planet or galaxy. Perhaps they have
inherent abilities lacking in earthlings.

There is nothing inconsistent or illogical in positing a spiritual or
non-corporeal aspect of life as we know it. But as for the "Who is God?"
which judges, rewards, punishes, etc.- forget it- it can only lead to
fear, guilt, deception, and delusion.

radav, your answer is simply just as dogmatic and ridiculous as the proposition that god is truely a man with a long flowing beard sitting in a throne placed on some clouds... it just appears to be somewhat scientific.

where is this INFINITE energy you speak of and why isn't it boiling us alive as we type?

Originally posted by shihulud
...it doesn't matter to us which deity you worship (nor do we care).

If you don't care, then why are you on a forum that specifically pertains to religion and the deities they worship? Obviously, you do care, but only about your own self satisfaction from proving to yourself that God doesn't exist.

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
If you don't care, then why are you on a forum that specifically pertains to religion and the deities they worship?

i think shi meant that we really don't care about your specific deity because we don't think some of them are less false than others.

Obviously, you do care, but only about your own self satisfaction from proving to yourself that God doesn't exist.

the myth of the self-satisfied atheist... i thought that one was dead already. we aren't trying to prove that god doesn't exist because we don't need to disprove your hypothesis that it does. we're mainly doing it to follow the motto of ATS, you know the one.

What you qualify as ignorance and what I qualify as ignorance are two totally different things.

I haven't read the thread yet but have a question. Does he specify which God? Is it the Christian God, the Hindu God, the Pagan God, the Muslim God? Thanks in advance. I'm going to bed soon but wanted to have this in my ATS favorites.

Well the scientist is a born-again Christian, so I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say he's talking about the Christian God.

Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
What you qualify as ignorance and what I qualify as ignorance are two totally different things.

ignorance:

1. The condition of being ignorant; the want of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed.

now, in this situation we're talking about people being ignorant to the fact that there is absolutely NO REASON behind the belief in any deity, let alone a specific deity.

and griff, don't simplify things. it isn't just THE pagan god, it's one of a crapload of pagan gods.

Before the advent of modern religion, The ancients had a greater understanding of the mathematics of nature. Numbers and letters were one and the same. Mathematics is in fact the language of god.

Ancient art, calendars and architecture, are all based on the mathematical language of thier dieties. Using the certainty of these mathematical calculations, they were able to predict events in thier future.

There are scientific mysteries which are known, but not understood by contemporary physics. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle would be a demonstration or acknowledgement of the "wave particle duality of nature." An electron particle can be manifest as a particle with mass, or a wave that carries energy. Therefore all matter is comprised both of particles and waves at the same time.

Everything is a wave. The colors you see, the sounds you hear, the textures you feel, the things you smell, and the foods you taste. Our senses percieve wave mechanics. This can be demonstrated by stimulating nerves with electricity, and mimicking tastes, smells, and textures. Our universe being a "text" of god, is written in wave equations. And the results of these equations determine what we "read" with our senses. The balance of our universe is based on waves, or cycles of repetition.

Everything is a particle. The reason objects have mass is due to the amount of physical matter that it contains. Variables like density and particle motions are all based on the object's mass. Light has mass. This is proven by the ability of a black hole to bend light, and put it into "orbit." and by the presence of neutrinos. Space is not a complete vacuum therefore since light is a particle it is bound by the third law of thermodynamics, that all motion is transfered to heat via the process of friction. Otherwise we would be able to see every star and galaxy with our naked eye, and we would live in constant daylight.

Where am I going with this you may ask.

I see it as our ability to percieve waves and particles at the same time that contributes to our scientific quests. Without waves we could not percieve particles, without particles we could not percieve waves. Particles must reflect or produce waves in order to be percieved. Waves must enter our senses via particles. Therefore god is a wave, and a particle, but is not both at the same time. Creation can only occur when the duad becomes one. Like male and female, waves and particles come together to manifest creation. Therefore god lies outside the realm of creation, in order to create.

Harmony is manifest through balance. Balance reqires a negation of forces. When forces are negated an object or reaction remains in homeostasis. The planets orbit in cycles because the gravitational force of the sun is balanced based on the mass of the planet, and how fast it is traveling. We don't float away because the normal force is negated by force of our mass due to gravity. Every force also has an equal and opposite force attached to it. See newton's "principia mathematica." Therefore the universe operates on a system of balance. E-motions are forces as well, our imbalance of beliefs and imbalance of emotions creates movement. Movement that could be interpreted as chaos or a re-balancing of the system in order to bring it to a stable system. Our conflict with others on this planet is a force, in order for the balance to be sustained the forces must negate. This is how order is restored through chaos. Getting energy from the fission chain reaction, is a fantastic example of a balanced system through chaos.

Many notable scientists state these laws and principles. However nobody bothers to connect them on a metaphysical level. Until a scientist can come up with an eqation that sufficinetly expresses the physics of particles and waves in one form we will never see god. It is this unified theory of mathematics and physics that is relevant to our quest for god. Thermodynamics comes close to this principle, due to its dealings with energy flows and the potential of matter to generate energy.

The greek word Atomos, meaning "indivisible" is where our name for the atom comes from. However we now know that this idea is untrue due to the discovery of quarks. and the speculation of "strings." The ancients studied mathematics and science in order to gain understanding of god. Today I rarely see this as being the motivation for science, due to its lack of metaphysical connection.

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science deals with observable phenomenon

God is not one of these - science has nothing to do with God & cannot disprove anything about him

nor can scientists know when or what God chooses to make happen here on earth

people like dawkins have an aversion to faith which is understandable , but thinking that science can negate or disprove faith or Gods existance is beyond humans ability

as much as it may bite , atheists simply have to live with faith being a part of the human psyche . you are in the minority afterall (& have always been)

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
now, in this situation we're talking about people being ignorant to the fact that there is absolutely NO REASON behind the belief in any deity, let alone a specific deity.

Whaa--?! No reason behind the belief of God? Talk about ignorance...