"The Missing Bees Explained" Hoagland's Groundbreaking Theory.

Richard C. Hoagland -Hyperdimensional Bees-ART BELL Coast to Coast Show, 5-12-07

Hoaglands explanation of the Bee Disappearance is complex and unlike no other causes that have come up so far I believe. The C2C show link...

www.coasttocoastam.com...

This is what I gathered from the coast to coast show tonight:
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It all has to do with the "Torsion Field Effect"

This effect is is from the rotation of any body IN CONJUNCTION with another movement or force in another direction. This other movement or force is a vibrational in nature. These two movements, the rotation and the vibrational, causes the Torsion Field Effect. This effect can be seen in a gyroscope or in a planet body such as the Earth.

So What the Torsion Effect Does to the Bees?

The effect creates a frequency that can be measured. The frequency is very small but in relation to the background noise, is relatively large, thus it can be measured and recorded according to Hoagland. This frequency in turn affects the bees in that the bees build the honeycomb hives according to the frequency and are sensitive to any changes.



A CHANGE in the frequency has caused the bees to build homes that the bees are not tuned to and with the frequency change, bees either DONT RETURN purposely, or cannot return due to lack of homing frequency to find their way home.

Why or What is Causing the Frequency Change?

Thats the big question. Hoagland believes that it is caused by the solar system approaching the GALACTIC CENTER plane, or the GALACTIC ecliptic. Even thought the galaxy, our milky way is huge, the center plane could be extremely thin. So this is causing solar system changes, and frequency changes due to the torsion effect.

EARTH CROSSES GALACTIC CENTER>>TORSION FIELD EFFECT FREQUENCY CHANGES >>BEES ARE THE CANARY IN THE COAL MINE



Pluto is getting warmer, Neptune is changing, mars is changing. This could be due to added energy into the planetary systems. Is this from the Sun? No, it seems to be coming from somewhere else, since Earth would be affected hugely if the sun was adding significant energy to far away bodies such as Pluto.

Hoagland has gone as far to measure changes in the frequency of the Earth in events such as eclipses and planet alignments via a tiny tuning fork and amplified via computer system.

He also states that this is a NORTHERN HEMISPHERE ONLY ISSUE. Why? The torsion field physics is asymmetric only effect. Thus Europe, the USA etc are affected, whereas Australia is NOT AFFECTED.

Thats my take of the C2C show, I think this offers an amazing reason for the bee problem. He plans on posting his papers on his site soon hopefully. Here is Hoagland's site:

www.enterprisemission.com...

Now here is some information on Torsion Field Physics:
en.wikipedia.org...
amasci.com...

Questions and follow-ups?

Can this be affecting Humans?

Can this affect other animals?

What is affecting the planets, mainly our planet? (its not SUV's)




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[edit on 18-5-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Interesting theory. Thanks for posting.

Since when did a Bee use frequencys to get to home they find the hive by scent markers. Theres actually nothing there that makes any sense at all but then again I guess thats normal for Richard C Hoagland.

The idea of the whole world vibrating and only hives in "one single" Country being affected well lets just say unlikely.

Just saying.

A lot of Hoagland's info makes sense to me. Some is out there and unconfirmed, but to say we know everything about the bees is not correct either. If we knew it all we wouldn't have all of the Disappearing Bees threads here on ATS.

What I do like about Hoagland's work is that he tries to confirm them, with the bee frequency, he is planning on testing 'wild' bee hive and the frequency of the resonance of the hive itself-as compared to commercilaized and manipulated beehives.

It just seems to me the bee is a "canary in a coal mine" as I stated before and may be a portent of things to come in the future.

Also:

The idea of the whole world vibrating and only hives in "one single" Country being affected well lets just say unlikely.

That isn't true, just do a search on Google, countries across the world are reporting bee dieoff in alarming quantities. Japan, USA, France, Brazil, Canada, all across Europe actually. Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Greece and more....


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Richard Hoagland has posted part I of his information on his website. It is MUCH better to say the least of an explanation of the bee problem and Torsion Effect than I have out down in my post...Recommend all to read it and to look for part II which I suppose is coming soon...

Linkie: www.enterprisemission.com...

interesting I was just reading about a patent for antigravity device that works on the principle of two rotating bodies
patft.uspto.gov


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[edit on 18-5-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

I have a big question on his exotic theory,
'we' on Earth will enter the imaginary 'Galactic Plane' in another 5 years (2012)

now, i can concede that this imaginary 'equator' plane is wide enough
so it may take Earth & the SolarSystem years to 'pass through' it...

But!...does Hoaglands' formulas take into account that the Earth & our SolarSystem will not be Actually or Realistically passing through
this 'Galactic Equatorial Plane' in 2012...
As the Earth, on it's 23.4 degree axis tilt, is positioned in space so that
we are 'Apparently' crossing thru this imaginary Galactic Plane...

so in reality our Earth is some 23.4 degress Below an actual crossing of this region that supposedly has some vibration or whatever
that affects life on the planet...

I don't get it!

The bees are now no longer able to pick out their special bee frequency, transmitted from their hive, because they now live in more structured enviroments. these special environments that they have been living in for quite possibly 100 generations. And now their getting lost because of it.

I don't think this is the answer. What about all the hives that have been found to be full of dead bees? Let me guess, they got lost - found their way back - but died as they crawled through the door.

Hhhhmmmm A touch dramatic don't ya think?

"The ultimate drivers are changes in our landscapes; intensive agriculture, extensive use of pesticides, drainage, nitrogen deposition.

"All of these factors favour subsets of plants and subsets of bees.

"And if you want to prevent them you have to look at the ecosystem level, protecting the habitat and the groups of species."

Source

Maybe it could be the impact we have on them??? It doesn't always have to be some crazy out there theory.

There are several problems with Hoagland's theory:

First, as someone said, bees don't operate by "vibrations." Otherwise they'd never be able to fly in cities -- the effects of the electromagnetic fields from the cables and wires and other technology would have left cities bee-less and hive-less ever since we first started wiring for electricity.

Secondly...

Originally posted by St Udio
I have a big question on his exotic theory,
'we' on Earth will enter the imaginary 'Galactic Plane' in another 5 years (2012)

now, i can concede that this imaginary 'equator' plane is wide enough
so it may take Earth & the SolarSystem years to 'pass through' it...

The "galactic equator" is huge. We never actually leave it.

Hoagland and others are acting as though the sky is simply painted over our heads and what we see out there is not a vast universe, but rather some sort of line drawing.

The solar system doesn't leave the galactic plane. It's part of one of the arms of this huge spiral galaxy and never floats above it or below it.

But!...does Hoaglands' formulas take into account that the Earth & our SolarSystem will not be Actually or Realistically passing through
this 'Galactic Equatorial Plane' in 2012...

No, and in fact they don't take into account that it's the tilt of our planet that positions the sunrise in respect to the "galactic plane."

If these "vibrations" are real, then they have ALWAYS been present.

Originally posted by fiftyfifty
"The ultimate drivers are changes in our landscapes; intensive agriculture, extensive use of pesticides, drainage, nitrogen deposition.

"All of these factors favour subsets of plants and subsets of bees.

"And if you want to prevent them you have to look at the ecosystem level, protecting the habitat and the groups of species."

Source

Maybe it could be the impact we have on them??? It doesn't always have to be some crazy out there theory.

BBC is correct -- we do a lot of things to our landscape. Changes in the average temperature of the Earth also affect what parasites hit the honeybees. Some of the dead colonies have huge infestations of variola mites (according to beekeeping boards.) We have always been in the "galactic plane" and to blame it on vibes or unknown radiation is not good science.

There are a number of things that influence the situation -- thankfully people are becoming more interested in the problem.

Oh God, that's a hoot! Whenever I click on something with Hoagland's name on it I know I'm in for a laugh.

Originally posted by St Udio
now, i can concede that this imaginary 'equator' plane is wide enough
so it may take Earth & the SolarSystem years to 'pass through' it...

Actually I believe the Ecliptic Plane is relatively THIN compared to the HUGE HUGE diameter of our galaxy the milky way. It is theorized that the plane and the effects from it can theoretically be paper thin, or so thin that the effects are only seen for a short amount of time and will increase and decrease exponentially fast.

reads like a bunch of gobblygook to me... way too complex to actually be a valid argument. Look to environmental problems to be the real cause. Back in the 90's 2 mites seriously weakened the bee population and the odds are that it is either something like that or related.

Originally posted by Byrd


The "galactic equator" is huge. We never actually leave it.
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The solar system doesn't leave the galactic plane. It's part of one of the arms of this huge spiral galaxy and never floats above it or below it.

Actually, Byrd, the Sun (and every other star in an Arm) isn't a permanent member of said Arm. All the stars move in and out of different Arms throughout their Galactic Orbit. The Galaxy isn't a rigid structure, but is rather fluid.

The Sun takes 100 million years to change arms completely, taking 10 million years to pass through the denser part of an Arm. The Arms are just representations of gravitational density waves in the galaxy.

We also move up and down out of the elliptic every 35 million years, so our orbit of the Galactic core oscillates. So that means we do indeed cross the elliptical plane of the galaxy.

It has been postulated that our motion into and out of the different arms and also the oscillating motion of the solar system through the galactic plane is cause for mass extinction events. This has to do with the amount of cosmic radiation able to reach Earth during these different phases in the Solar Galactic year.

Maybe the honey bee has just simply gone on strike?
Maybe they're boycotting the hives?
Maybe the worker bees simply just want to be paid?
Maybe they just want to be accepted as first class citizens in our country?

To bee or not to bee, that is the question!

More like hybrid bees been getting fed too much corn syrup to get the hives to grow in the winter. Then their immune systems are sub par and they breed sickly bees who fly off and die.

You can't fool mother nature, where Hoagland must of ate too many mad cow burgers to find reason in his twilight zone theory, rather than looking into how bees are raised.

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I have mixed opinions of Hoagland. On some things I think he's right, e.g., NASA's intransigense regarding reimaging anomalies like the shard and cube on the moon, and strange areas on mars such as the banyan trees, which would be an interesting mission for a probe rather than the usual rock-strewn plain. He is correct that JPL sets the geology space agenda rather than exobiologists, and the public (the funders) are bored. There is all kinds of evidence that NASA willfully hides signs of extraterrestrial life, including intelligent life (Shuttle videos). I also find some of his planetary analyses fascinating, e.g., his 4-part Iapetus study.

On the other hand, he always seems to go out of his way to step over the edge of credibility, e.g., the Egyptian obsession he insists NASA builds into their missions. Or rocks on mars that he thinks looks like "Data's head," machinery, temples, etc. One thing he never learned from the Cydonia fiasco was to not overwork the evidence. He created a martian city from evidence insufficient to support his claims, and in the wake of modern imaging, the city has crumbled. Where is the fort? Not there. The face? Looks like a hill. Pyramids? Look natural. Having learned nothing and nothing much to lose, the fiasco continues. Look, absolute proof of a crashed flying saucer! Second imaging, whoops, it's a boulder. It isn't wrong for him to look for these things; the trouble is the certainty he habitually adopts with regard to scant evidence.

He seems to me to have the heart and imagination of an explorer, but not the discipline of a scientist. Maybe he jumps to all the conclusions he does in the hopes that by chance one of his theories will be proven correct, at which time he can claim authorship before more cautious, pragmatic researchers. If it's fame and fortune Hoagland is seeking, he's going about it at substantial detriment to his reputation and credibility.

Originally posted by stumason

Actually, Byrd, the Sun (and every other star in an Arm) isn't a permanent member of said Arm. All the stars move in and out of different Arms throughout their Galactic Orbit. The Galaxy isn't a rigid structure, but is rather fluid.

Do you have a source for this?

The Sun takes 100 million years to change arms completely, taking 10 million years to pass through the denser part of an Arm. The Arms are just representations of gravitational density waves in the galaxy.

I hadn't heard of this (but on that time scale, I guess it's not implausible.) I'd just like to see the physics behind this.

It has been postulated that our motion into and out of the different arms and also the oscillating motion of the solar system through the galactic plane is cause for mass extinction events. This has to do with the amount of cosmic radiation able to reach Earth during these different phases in the Solar Galactic year.

Except the time frames don't match mass extinction events. There's no apparent periodicity to them.

One of the more interesting things about the missing bees is that two countries that banned a certain pesticide HAVEN'T had the massive disappearances of other countries. They can't say for certain that this is the cause of the disappearances, but it's interesting that France and Italy have banned imidicloprid pesticides, and haven't had serious reports of CCD. I've found several recent websites (Feb and May 07) that report that they haven't had CCD cases in either country in the massive numbers of other countries.

French beekeepers fought Bayer to pull the "Merit" pesticide off the shelf in France. Bayer eventually pulled the pesticide and payed a huge settlement without admitting fault or that the imidicloprid played any roll in bee disappearances.