Religion Vs. World

Originally posted by SKUNK2
Religeons are just fairy tales to scare the weak minded masses and to control them

The day people realise this 99% of the worlds problems would dissapear, but this will never happen.....unfortunatley.
Also there is un deniable proof in 4000 year old cave paintings in Australia and such that EBE's have visited this planet. There is also undeniable proof that us humans have been on this planet far longer than religeon and science would let us believe.

It will happen, we are entering new age and it must happen. Forces behind this move are too great for any world leader or NWO to stop it. They can try and die.

Yes, 4000 years is nothing. You wouldn't believe how old this planet really is and how many civilizations developed here. Some of them left time-capsules with encoded information. Some of the artifacts are in museums and some still undiscovered, but technology today is still too primitive to decode information contained there. It will be possible soon.

Kindred, i agree. Being positive and in harmony with nature and cosmos is something people today easy forget. They are not to blame since they were never introduced to this. Church maybe helped some to find compassion and kindness but more or less is just used to grab money and hide real truth from people, controlling them by fear.

I really like the article. Thanks EarthOne.

Through my search for the truth, I have come to a point where I can accept that humanity is just a slave race, being manipulated from the beginning and created by an extraterrestrial force. The only problem is that how is it that it seems we have been able to achieve so much?

I really do like the accounts of creation from ancient Mesopotamia. As far as the Sumerians, I have read a separate source besides Sitchin, that humanity was created because the Igigi (Igigu) themselves were slaves and just wanted freedom so, we have humans.

Igigi (or Igigu) A collective term (like Annunaki) for a group of assorted, but otherwise nameless, gods. Some believe that the Igigi may have been chtonic deities and the Annunaki celestial ones, but the matter is unresolved, as is the Igigi's number, which may have been as high as 300. According to one myth (contained in the Akkadian tale of Atrahasis), the Igigi were forced to do hard labor for the Annunaki. After 40 days, however, the Igigi had had enough, and they called a strike by burning their tools - the first strike in history by organized labor. The strike, however, had an unforseen and (from our standpoint) unwelcome outcome: to take up the slack, human beings were created to do the gods work. Unlike the Annunaki who are first mentioned in Sumerian texts, the Igigi do not appear in litrerature until Babylonian times.

Handbook to Life in: Ancient Mesopotamia
Stephen Bertman
Religion and Myth: The Names and Functions of the Gods page 119

If the extraterrestrials have been manipulating our existence and outcomes, It is definitely present in the accounts of the first known civilization on earth.

According to a tradition that began with the Sumerians, human society was patterned on a plan concieved by the gods. To fulfill this organizational plan, operational rules had been devised to govern human activities and behavior. These rules were collectively known as the me ( a Sumerian plural pronounced "may" and referred to in Akkadian as parsu).

Handbook to Life in: Ancient Mesopotamia
Stephen Bertman
Religion and Myth: The Governance of the World page 115

Of course, they say they are myths and legends (these accounts), but consider this.

Mesopotamian tradition contained many stories about the gods and their interactions with each other and with human beings. While we may casually refer to these tales as myths, to the ancient people of Mesopotamia they were as real as history itself, only shrouded in mist because of the remoteness of the times in which they took place. As for the gods and goddesses themselves, they were palpable realities, as real as the invisible forces that make plants and animals multiply, human beings yearn for love, and life come to an end.

Handbook to Life in: Ancient Mesopotamia
Stephen Bertman
Religion and Myth: Myths page 126


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[edit on 12-5-2007 by souls]

Originally posted by detonator

New Age is not conspiracy to destroy Christianity as many of Christians believe, but desire of millions to experience spiritual not just material. Of course some of it is funny but also beneficial, for day to day living too.

You are right on that count. Many Christians are beginning to wake up to this realization. It's mostly the fundamentalists that are still decrying the "New Age" movement.

Originally posted by tom_roberts

anything that seeks to take the place of Christ and his free gift of salvation is accursed

it claims we are all Gods--blasphemy
its heresies abound

Ahhhh, here you go, bubba.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


THE BOOK OF
PSALMS
PSALM 82
Thus saith the Lord: Ye are gods and children of the Most High.
A Psalm of Asaph.
1 God astandeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the apersons of the wicked? Selah.
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do ajustice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They know not, neither will they understand; they awalk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are a children of the most High.
7 But ye shall adie like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8 Arise, O God, ajudge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

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Originally posted by tom_roberts
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New Age predictions
www.cuttingedge.org...

SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL!
www.cuttingedge.org...

Ahem, Cuttingedge is a FUNDAMENTALIST site. I don't put much credence in anything they say.

so am i, pity there is much reverent information there




[edit on 12-5-2007 by tom_roberts]

Originally posted by tom_roberts
so am i, pity there is much reverent information there




[edit on 12-5-2007 by tom_roberts]

Reverent shouldn't equate to not thinking for yourself. I am not saying that you don't, I don't know you. However, I can tell you that sites such as cuttingedge isn't necessarily indicative of a group of people who think for themselves.

They'd, the authors of cuttingedge, rather believe what they have always been told to believe, rather than seeking for themselves. That is not the road to the truth in my honest opinion. However, to each his/her own.

[edit on 12-5-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by tom_roberts
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New Age predictions
www.cuttingedge.org...

SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL!
www.cuttingedge.org...

Ahem, Cuttingedge is a FUNDAMENTALIST site. I don't put much credence in anything they say.

why? as you guys say investigate what they are saying for your self

instead of repeating the stuff you have heard all your life

believe me, i have investigated my self, and their info on this is correct

check it out or just condemn it without researching it for your self

Originally posted by detonator
If you create someone for slavery then why stop and wait thousands of years so they lower themselves to more retarded slaves? You could just create slaves more obedient or simply force them. You see this is twisted view and is has no logic. It's created by conspiracy theorists who seek new doom&gloom scenario so they can sell alternative history for $300+. Don't listen to them.

Anyone who is capable of creating new beings is also capable to enslave or to create slaves directly. There are also higher powers which would destroy evil sooner or later.

The slaves rebelled, the overseers would have to keep destroying and recreating slaves in many cycles over a short period of time. Not effective.

Religion works better, it last longer too, with less resources needed to maintain control, the religion is even self sufficent enough to last through out the existence of the species, should the species remain ignorant enough. It doesn't even need the overseer to be present to drive the slave on.

Works better than robots, because the overseers get to eat the sheep as well.... Food and workers which are self sufficent, and inferior to the overseers in most ways. Few things beat that, provided they are in no hurry to drain the planet dry.

(maybe that's why the fruit of knowledge is forbidden)

When the slave species finally becomes aware enough? (maybe due to their own effort or those outside who are more benevolent) time for another large scale harvesting and culling of the flock.... it sucks being the sheep. A new cycle begins, human slave version 4.0 ..... whahahaaaa (Joke, Fiction or Fact, who knows for sure?)

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From: Roy Davidson
Subject: The concept of God
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There is an incredible misunderstanding as to the nature of God. Most
organized religions, particularly Judaism, Christianity and Islam, have
anthropomorphized God into something superhuman yet with human traits.
For example; in their so-called holy books; whether the Quran or the Old
and New Testaments; the imaginary deity communicates, judges, makes
covenants with, rewards, punishes, and occasionally terrorizes the
alleged prophet or one selected to receive the holy word. This is all
delusion.

God does exist. But you only get the correct answer if you ask the right
question. The question should be- What is God?- not Who is God? Here is
the solution to the riddle. GOD IS INFINITE ENERGY. Thus there is no
beginning and no ending to the universe. Planets may come into existence
and be destroyed. The human race and all living things may cease to
exist but "infinite energy" always was and always will be.

Prayer, meditation or other techniques may be quite helpful in enabling
mere mortals to tap into this "infinite energy." Adepts, savants or
illuminated ones may possess this ability. Miracles or supernatural
feats which cannot be explained by current scientific knowledge make
sense if done by aliens from another planet or galaxy. Perhaps they have
inherent abilities lacking in earthlings.

There is nothing inconsistent or illogical in positing a spiritual or
non-corporeal aspect of life as we know it. But as for the "Who is God?"
which judges, rewards, punishes, etc.- forget it- it can only lead to
fear, guilt, deception, and delusion.

Originally posted by kindred
It's about time organised religion was kicked in to touch. The most important thing you have in your possession is your soul. Therefore why would anybody entrust their spiritual development in the hands of others. You are leaving yourself wide open to be lied too, deceived and manipulated. Listening to priests, prophets and politicians is the main reason why this world is so screwed up. It's time we told these elitists where to get off. Empower and think for yourselves!

I really liked what you said Kindred. I agree wholeheartedly.


I was born into a religious family. My mother was irish protestant. My father was irish catholic. I grew in a household with a very strong influence in god and religion. And I did exactly as Kindred said above: I began to think for myself.

I went through all manners of thought and pondering. I questioned anything, everything. I knew...KNEW..god was not what I was brought to believe. It didnt make sense for it to. If god was in essence to ultimate truth - then why were there so many interpretations of the truth? The truth just is...it doesnt have an interpretation. That was one of my early questions. That was at nine years old.

My parents were furious with me. My father called me a heretic. But then, I showed him all my research. I showed my mom. My father was an engineer. So when he saw all my hypotheses on the matter, and saw how much this was of importance to me...he did the one thing that Id hoped he do.....listen, question, allow speech, allow questions. This went on for years and years. When he died...well, lets just leave it as he left this world with more confidence, because he KNEW he had a better understanding of the universe and spirtuality, and said so to me on his death bed as I held his hand.

So blah blah blah, years past, books read, crackpots, scientists, and so on..I read and listened to what was being said. I dabbled into philosophy, to understand the nature of truth, etc.

And so I came to what I have in my understanding as of now, which by no means can be considered ultimate truth, as it is still being discovered by others and myself - evolving into a coherant theorum that embodies all of our universe. Anything that involves less than that , has disqualified itself in its shortsightedness; anything that goes beyond that treads into speculation.

The universe is energy. All of it. when a new life is born, it is born from it. That energy is given, like a gift one might say. It is a whole of the entire universe, and as such has all the abilities of the universe, for if it were just a part of it, and other things were just a part, then the universe would behave mechanically - and there is too much evidence now a days that contradicts that. The universe is ever moving, and ever showing us that it does not behave in a mechanistic way. Combined with certain theories of zero point and electric universe studies, the current view of the universe and the nature of the soul led me down a path that many dont really go...I wont get into the specifics of that right now. Thats my little secret for now.

I guess ill never agree with the fundementalists of the current religious paradigms. And I suppose that is for reasons of personal credibility, and personal experiences.

But one thing I will agree on - is that whether its new age, occult, orthodox, etc......the common factor is that we are all searching for the truth of one of the greatest questions of human existance. And therefore no matter what the belief structure is...I commend anyone for their search.

Hi kaja, I like the way you think and I'm glad you didn't give up on your dad and managed to get through to him before he passed away. I can certainly relate to what you went through but my situation is slightly different. My dad was also from a big catholic family and had a very harsh upbringing and as a result he grew up despising anything to do with religion and spirituality which is understandable.

I've always been open minded, always questioning everything I hear or see, especially when it came to religion, spirituality and the paranormal, which I've always been interested in.

My dad basically didnt like anyone talking about religion or spirituality in the house. If you disagreed with anything he said, he would literally take your head off. I grew up feeling completely disconnected from my father. He treated me bad always telling me what to think, what I should believe in. Basically it was his way or the highway. I guess that's one of the reasons why I now hate other people telling me what to think or what to believe in. I'm my own person and one thing I do know is that it's completely wrong to force your beliefs or will onto another human being. We all must find our own truth in life and walk our own path.

Your theory about the universe sounds interesting. Sounds similar in some respects to the holgraphic universe theory.

www.earthportals.com...

Particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.

In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected. The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky. Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.

In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past. What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."

Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or as he puts it, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development". Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality.

Whoever wrote this article for the Canadian National Newspaper should be fired for using false information. The paintings that he uses to show "ufo's" have been debunked over and over and over again. Not debunked in the sense that these paintings are fake, but debunked in the sense that they are NOT showing ufos. Take a look here for the REAL meanings of ufo-like objects in Christian art.

Art and UFOs, no thanks only art.

search and you shall find

soldier, are you aware that many "ufos" in paintings are just bad brush strokes that never get corrected?

i roll with a lot of artists and i was checking out some paintings by a friend of mine and i pointed out a UFO that was seemingly in the background and she just said it was an accidental stroke that she didn't have time to fix.

what i'm trying to say is that, upon close examination of many "ufos" in paintings it becomes apparent that they're just an unintentional brush stroke

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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
what i'm trying to say is that, upon close examination of many "ufos" in paintings it becomes apparent that they're just an unintentional brush stroke

I agree. People are looking too hard for something that isn't there, and coming up with false conclusions. Just check out the website I posted, it explains ufo's in art much better than I can.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
soldier, are you aware that many "ufos" in paintings are just bad brush strokes that never get corrected?

Well, I myself am a painter and I find that hard to believe. Rather, they're not accidental brush strokes, but purposeful brush strokes that are misinterpreted to be UFO's. If you're a serious painter, you would never leave bad brush strokes uncorrected, unless you're into abstract art.

Religion is the crutch of this world, if it wasn't for the dark ages where simple minded people controlled the world (maybe not so simple minded, where else can you get a percentage off of the populations income to support your organization) and where the most brilliant minds of our time were burnt at the stake we would be hundreds if not thousands of years of ahead of where we are at Next time someone from the believers family get sick why don't you go pray for healing instead of taking advantage of science which is the very thing you try to prevent.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Catholicism is a religion of works taken from Egypt which came from Bablyon. I have not forgotten them.........they are Mystery Babylon as spoken of in Revelation. They appear to be the Church but they are the Roman empire.

...and so are some Christian concepts.
Once more Sun Matrix you make outlandish assertions with no factual veracity.
I could say that Jesus, as seen in the Bible, is the Devil and that all versions of the Bible are corrupt. You wouldn't like that, would you?
Also Revelation, like most of the Bible, is very vague. The Catholic Church, the U.S.A and even Bob from down the street could, with some careful cutting and 'interpretation', become Mystery Babylon.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
When the Romans could kill the truth of the risen Messiah and Christianity they merely took it over as Constantine backed the Bishop of Rome and installed pagan practices from Egypt.

So when they could've killed Christianity they took it over instead?
Yes, it was known that Constantine didn't believe solely in 'God', continuing to keep his 'pagan' beliefs on the side. But I don't quite see how his Roman beliefs were imported from Egypt.
Also how are you so sure that the Christians of that era had the same beliefs pertaining to God as you do?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The world has been deceived by the deceiver. Why has the Roman church not recognized the nation of Israel? Why did the Roman church consort with the Nazis? Why were the Jews attacked in every Crusade?

...because the Roman Catholic Church isn't a country?
There are a multitude of reasons for why the Catholic Church hasn't recgonised Israel. Also how are you so sure that the current Israel is 'the' Israel? I thought God would decide that? And what if Israel had been established in Uganda, or Madagascar, as was proposed? What about the Roman Catholic priests that hid Jews from the Nazis?
Also Muslims were slaughtered en masse in the Crusade, often innocently. Does that mean THEY were the 'true' religion?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Christianity is not a religion.....it is merely the truth. The Messiah came died and rose from the dead.......Just as prophesied. Don't be fooled by the elite that lead you by the nose and act like they are educating you.

Yes Christianity is, by all definitions, a religion. I don't believe it is the truth, as I highly doubt any 'God' would condone slavery:
Titus, Chapter 2 Verse 9:
Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity
Yay true religion!

Originally posted by Lecter
Religion is the crutch of this world...

Strange.... the world doesn't have legs so why would it need crutches?