Religion Vs. World

Nice laid out article about why "mainstream" science continue to deny the historical and on-going existence of Extraterrestrial contact with human beings on Earth. I thought it was very intelligent and has some strong points.

Check it out and tell us what you thought.

LINK

Good find, makes sense.

Maybe someone should post it in the UFO section as well. I think that's why there is so much suffering on this planet. These manipulative beings do have control over the planet, not the other way around.

I don't see how the mankind can break free from their control, even with the help of ethical beings. All we have is a little hope, not much else.

I agree with most of this article. He was right on the money about Christianity

By creating "religious saviours" as expressed in the apparent corrupting of the legacy of Jesus through 'Christianity', elites sought to dis-empower social responsibility among humanity for each other, in the context of social justice, and to turn them into people having "faith" in the guidance of society under oppressive elites.

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True spirituality comes from the universal consciousness within, not from saying "Jesus died for me". Unfortunately millions still believe in this concept and fall victim to the elitist power structures that withhold the truth about extraterrestrial visitation. This is so beyond frustrating to me. Everyday I walk around and see utter ignorance. People dont understand what they can achieve if they awaken themselves from within. Meanwhile the elites seek to control us and milk us of every penny. Its so damn ludicrous to those of us who see it that its like screaming on the inside. Change MUST happen and it is as urgent as ever.

Christianity , just for the record is a relationship with God
not a religion

what you speak of is new age mysticism, its not about now

its about after death

elitists could care less about that concept

Awakening will come, just look at what happened in past decades. Information is exploding and people are more and more aware of new things and concepts.

New Age is not conspiracy to destroy Christianity as many of Christians believe, but desire of millions to experience spiritual not just material. Of course some of it is funny but also beneficial, for day to day living too.

Nice article for the blind man to keep him in blindness.

I could spend a month cutting this trash to pieces.

I'll just make one comment. The Christians are not the elite. It is exactly the opposite. Those that lead you by the nose are the elite........but they are not Christians.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Nice article for the blind man to keep him in blindness.

I could spend a month cutting this trash to pieces.

I'll just make one comment. The Christians are not the elite. It is exactly the opposite. Those that lead you by the nose are the elite........but they are not Christians.

You seem to have forgotten about the Vatican and the Catholic cult. Also please remember the billion dollar corporations that have major ties to Christianity.

It's always like that, when someone points out something bad you blame Church and Vatican, and bad interpretations. When something good happens you don't hesitate to take credit. Sorta like double standard. If you are not same as people in Vatican then please make this clear, read different books and choose different name. As far as you are reading from same books and belong to same religion, you are same to me.

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Originally posted by detonator
Awakening will come, just look at what happened in past decades. Information is exploding and people are more and more aware of new things and concepts.

New Age is not conspiracy to destroy Christianity as many of Christians believe, but desire of millions to experience spiritual not just material. Of course some of it is funny but also beneficial, for day to day living too.

anything that seeks to take the place of Christ and his free gift of salvation is accursed

it claims we are all Gods--blasphemy
its heresies abound

Not all New Age claims that, you are stereotyping, same as people do today for Muslims. If you want to criticize New Age, take at least few hours to read some of the material. More or less is about being open, spiritual and similar things Jesus talked about.

I don't see anything wrong with that, yet i see a lot of hatred towards humanity in Bible.

Originally posted by tom_roberts

anything that seeks to take the place of Christ and his free gift of salvation is accursed

it claims we are all Gods--blasphemy
its heresies abound

Heresy... a lovely term of exclusiveness and discrimination which I would like to see expunged from the lexicon.

I think we can safely go to WIKI for the meaning of the term;

Heresy, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic or Orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."

I'm a heretic because I started out as a Calvinist and ended up much like a Cathar. I believe in the concept that the entire material universe IS Deity, (every atom of it) and that includes the atoms which are in humans.

A heretic is one who thinks for themselves and dismisses the dogmas and self-serving lies of organized religion. They're not "New Age", they've been around for thousands of years.

Originally posted by detonator
Not all New Age claims that, you are stereotyping, same as people do today for Muslims. If you want to criticize New Age, take at least few hours to read some of the material. More or less is about being open, spiritual and similar things Jesus talked about.

I don't see anything wrong with that, yet i see a lot of hatred towards humanity in Bible.

i know about this than you assume


www.benabraham.com...

New Age predictions
www.cuttingedge.org...

SECULAR HISTORIAN SETS OUT TO SHOW DEEP OCCULT ROOTS OF NAZISM, BUT PROVES NAZISM AND NEW AGE ARE IDENTICAL!
www.cuttingedge.org...

Originally posted by masqua

Originally posted by tom_roberts

anything that seeks to take the place of Christ and his free gift of salvation is accursed

it claims we are all Gods--blasphemy
its heresies abound

Heresy... a lovely term of exclusiveness and discrimination which I would like to see expunged from the lexicon.

I think we can safely go to WIKI for the meaning of the term;

Heresy, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the Roman Catholic or Orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, heresy is an opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative."

I'm a heretic because I started out as a Calvinist and ended up much like a Cathar. I believe in the concept that the entire material universe IS Deity, (every atom of it) and that includes the atoms which are in humans.

A heretic is one who thinks for themselves and dismisses the dogmas and self-serving lies of organized religion. They're not "New Age", they've been around for thousands of years.

A heretic is one --in this context that denies Christian Doctrine
selfseving organized religions for the most part do just that too,
but i meant --as defined by christian doctrine concerning christian doctrine

some more links on the Satanic nature of the new age

Megiddo II: The New Age (Featuring Dave Hunt of The Berean Call Ministry)
The Lie of the Serpent is the second part of the controversial Meggiddo series, which next focuses on the highly influential New Age movement. But is the New Age really new? Or does it represent the ancient doctrine taught by the serpent to Eve in the Garden of Eden? Excellent documentary
(Part 1 - 1hr 8mins)
video.google.com.au...
(Part 2 - 1hr 9mins)
video.google.com.au...
(Part 3 - 37mins)
video.google.com.au...

Originally posted by Vipassana

You seem to have forgotten about the Vatican and the Catholic cult. Also please remember the billion dollar corporations that have major ties to Christianity.

Catholicism is a religion of works taken from Egypt which came from Bablyon. I have not forgotten them.........they are Mystery Babylon as spoken of in Revelation. They appear to be the Church but they are the Roman empire.

When the Romans could kill the truth of the risen Messiah and Christianity they merely took it over as Constantine backed the Bishop of Rome and installed pagan practices from Egypt.

Who do you think was calling all the shots in the early Catholic Church? The Roman Emperor Constantine who was Pontifus Maximus.

The world has been deceived by the deceiver. Why has the Roman church not recognized the nation of Israel? Why did the Roman church consort with the Nazis? Why were the Jews attacked in every Crusade?

Christianity is not a religion.....it is merely the truth. The Messiah came died and rose from the dead.......Just as prophesied. Don't be fooled by the elite that lead you by the nose and act like they are educating you.

According to Sumerian legend, humans were created as a slave species. We escaped the clutches of the aliens when they fought among themselves. They are currently breeding us to be more obedient; they have largely succeeded by introducing concepts such as organized religion in which the "heretics" are put to death, thus removing their free-thinking genes from the gene pool and the obedient are "taken up" to heaven (UFOs?). Their ultimate achievement is the creating of dumb, servile, totally obedient creatures who will then be taken with them as their worshipping servants (the rapture?). This was all predicted in the instruction manual, the bible. What a con! It does seem that somehow some free-thinking humans have emerged lately. Hopefully we can restore this planet and species after the aliens take their "chosen people" away from here.

That said, Jesus was either a benevolent alien or a genetically evolved homo sapiens who attempted to counteract the influence of our evil alien overlords. Regardless of what he was, he was a good teacher and if all humans followed his real teachings, we would all be better off. He advocated renouncing material possessions, loving your neighbor, doing unto others, caring for the unfortunate, seeking inner wisdom and peace. Even HIS message has been corrupted by the alien overlords who now demand total blind obedience in his name (ie, the crazy right wing of the Republicans, etc...)

New age philosophies can be a bit out there, but that is just the human spin on a basic truth: we are part of the universe, not outside it; the universe is alive and conscious; thus, we are part of this divine superconsciousness and, in that sense, are all part of God. Our needs will all be met if we are open to our divine superconscious/universe and we will have inner and outer peace and well being. This was Jesus's message. It has been suppressed and distorted, but, as it is the truth, it can be rediscovered by those who seek to understand. Peace

Mat 6:28
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

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If you create someone for slavery then why stop and wait thousands of years so they lower themselves to more retarded slaves? You could just create slaves more obedient or simply force them. You see this is twisted view and is has no logic. It's created by conspiracy theorists who seek new doom&gloom scenario so they can sell alternative history for $300+. Don't listen to them.

Anyone who is capable of creating new beings is also capable to enslave or to create slaves directly. There are also higher powers which would destroy evil sooner or later.

ah, but ATS is a site for conspiracy theorists.
Where would it be without the guys with bad toupees trying to hawk their books? I have been trying to rwad some of the theories of Zachariah Sitchen. At first I thought he must be a genius; however, when I tried to corroborate his so-called translations of Sumertian tablets, I couldn't find any legitimate similat translations. What does everyone else think about this guy? Is he a fraud or a genius?

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Religeons are just fairy tales to scare the weak minded masses and to control them
The day people realise this 99% of the worlds problems would dissapear, but this will never happen.....unfortunatley.
Also there is un deniable proof in 4000 year old cave paintings in Australia and such that EBE's have visited this planet. There is also undeniable proof that us humans have been on this planet far longer than religeon and science would let us believe.

It's about time organised religion was kicked in to touch. The most important thing you have in your possession is your soul. Therefore why would anybody entrust their spiritual development in the hands of others. You are leaving yourself wide open to be lied too, deceived and manipulated. Listening to priests, prophets and politicians is the main reason why this world is so screwed up. It's time we told these elitists where to get off. Empower and think for yourselves!

J.Kalin
That said, Jesus was either a benevolent alien or a genetically evolved homo sapiens who attempted to counteract the influence of our evil alien overlords. Regardless of what he was, he was a good teacher and if all humans followed his real teachings, we would all be better off. He advocated renouncing material possessions, loving your neighbor, doing unto others, caring for the unfortunate, seeking inner wisdom and peace. Even HIS message has been corrupted by the alien overlords who now demand total blind obedience in his name (ie, the crazy right wing of the Republicans, etc...)

Hi J.kalin, Yeah I've read Sitchins Earth Chronicles. I think most of what he writes probably comes from his own imagination. Most of the Sumerian texts are very cryptic at best and you can basically weave any story around them. Not really sure what to make of it. The Sumerian culture is certainly interesting though.

I had a look at his website just now and I see he has a new book out called "End days". Just what the world needs right now. Another book prophecising the demise of humanity due to a nuclear holocaust. Whatever happened to being positive. I'm beginning to think most of humanity has a death wish.

etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk... Sumerian texts
www.sitchin.com... Sounds like stitching. I think he's trying to stitch us all up.