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Originally posted by Caustic LogicIf I'm reading this right, the photo was taken just past halfway between 15:30 and 18:30 sunset, so at about 17:15, or 5:15 pm. Give or take ten minutes, well take, since we could only give five before it collapsed.
Hi,
I have been asked this question by a lot of people and I my guess is about 2. The picture taken right above that was taken about 10 mins before so you should be able to gauge a reasonable time. You can find the park on google earth.
It was a long time ago.
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
I agree this shot with the bike looks like about 2:00, it's the one beaneath it I'm talking about:
Originally posted by KarillaThis is cropped from the hyooooooge pic you linked to above. Bear in mind the left hand side of this fascade is further away, but not by a huge amount. This angle should give you a time, no?
Originally posted by EugeneAxemanI think it's nice to try and analyze the various close-up photos of building seven, but the big picture needs to be looked at to see what was going on.
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Optical illusion? I didn't say anything when you mentioned it before because I think its silly. Windows are missing, a jagged edge. Hw van these reappearing at whatever time be explained by illusion?
Originally posted by Karilla
Caustic Logic. Here you go...
This is cropped from the hyooooooge pic you linked to above. Bear in mind the left hand side of this fascade is further away, but not by a huge amount. This angle should give you a time, no?
Originally posted by coughymachine
CL
This is the time window I think we're looking at.
I don't think the sun is striking 3 WFC at 45 degrees (marked 16:55); the south face appears more brightly lit than the west one.
Pretty much every 'clue' I look at to try and refine the time leads me to a different conclusion. I think the shadow across the Winter Garden arch might be the best one to plot on an aerial shot if we can work out which part of 2 WFC might be casting it. I think it's the second tier, counting up from the base. If so, then I'm back at an estimated time of 15:00.
Originally posted by Caustic LogicAm I doing this wrong CM? It makes sense to me.
Originally posted by coughymachine
I accept this sounds improbable but we're close to accusing Zafar of fakery here, and I just don't see it.
As for jagged edges, it really depends what angle they're being viewed from. [...] If you draw a straight line down the edge of WTC7 in Zafar's close-up image, the area that should appear gouged does not line up properly. That's why I speculated that maybe we're seeing into the gouge and looking at an internal column that appears to represent an undamaged exterior edge. Have a look at this image.
Now change the perspective and add smoke and it seems possible to me.
Originally posted by coughymachine
Originally posted by Caustic LogicAm I doing this wrong CM? It makes sense to me.
I think vertical red lines you've chosen to plot the shadow over the Winter Garden arch are the wrong ones. Well, specifically, the one on the right.
There is a small patch of sunlight in the shadow (circled) which suggests the part of the building casting the shadow that goes over the arch is the next tier up.
Originally posted by Caustic LogicOkay I see what you're saying about the column, but that doesn't explain the windows reappearing.