Is This Damning Evidence Of Aliens And UFO’s?

Just some of the (incontrovertible?) evidence of the existence of Aliens and UFOs is given below. Do the skeptics and debunkers have any explanations for these occurrences? Leave out Roswell and other incidents where there are no ‘high credibility’ witnesses. It’s mostly hearsay from people who claim they have ‘inside’ knowledge, but how credible they are is the moot question.

But here are reliable sources which include astronauts and pilots who have experienced encounters with UFOs. A professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium. Here are the excerpts. There was no denial from Armstrong that this discussion did not take place.

Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always
known there was a possibility, the fact is,
we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was
never any question then of a space station or a
moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that
their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing!

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time,
and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really
was a quick scoop and back again.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to
go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind
the cover-up.

Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.

On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15.

On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962.

Dr. Garry Henderson, a leading space research scientist said: “All our astronauts have seen these objects but have been ordered not to discuss their findings with anyone."

Check out the radio conversations between Astronauts and Mission Control during various Moon missions here…. They clearly point to alien presence on and around the Moon and Earth. (But I would like to add, these conversations cannot be independently verified or confirmed, and so cannot be termed as irrefutable evidence.)

And how about the ‘Tether’ incident aboard STS-75 which is photographic proof of UFOs?

Pulsing UFO photographed by crew of STS-75

And this pic taken by a lawyer from Israel, which shows the uncanny similarity which corroborates the existence of this particular type of UFO. Here..


Photo taken by the lawyer

President Jimmy Carter too joined the ranks of UFO spotters. He filed two reports on the sighting in 1973, one to the International UFO Bureau and the other to the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, stating he had seen a flying saucer when he was the Governor of Georgia.

These are witnesses of high credibility and standing. Not just people addicted to flights of fancy.

And then what about the famous leaked MJ-12 documents?

In the last few years, there has been much discussion of the Majestic 12 documents, and there have come forward a ton of new documents via various sources. These documents, if authentic, are remarkable in their content. They are all included here on our site for your examination. Most of them are fairly clear scans, but a few are of poor quality. If you are a serious student of UFOs, you MUST at least read these.
(Here..)

I don’t bet on this one – at least not at the present juncture, unless there’s absolute proof that they are originals. But if they turn out to be the actual original documents of MJ-12, then that would hopefully nail the lies being belted out by the powers that be once and for all!

These are just a few from the basket. Do we trust our astronauts and pilots, and the photographs and vids taken by them? An ex President of the US of A? If yes, then isn’t this enough evidence that Aliens and UFOs are real?

If you agree that we are not alone in this vast universe, then WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?

Cheers!

Here.
More.

The ufo in your picture's was also captured in the UK. The women was paid either 20 thousand pound's sterling, or 20 thousand US for her video i can not remember exactly.

Regard's
Lee



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I really like reading about these astronaut sightings

It will be interesting in the next decade when the space tourists from here start going into space and come back, hopefully telling us what they saw :p

I've found some more transcripts between astronauts and nasa here

These are unconfirmed etc though, still interesting to read.

Originally posted by mikesingh
A professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

I thought you were going to offer incontrovertable proof.

We have an unnamed professor at an unnamed symposium and an undetermined date. What proof is there that this is a real person and not a report by a UFO hoaxer? What proof is there that this professor was at this NASA symposium? What proof is there of this conversation?

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to
go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind
the cover-up.

Link?

Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

When you cite the full quote, it changes the perspective: "Cernan told a news conference: 'I'm one of those guys who has
never seen a UFO (unidentified flying object). But I've been
asked, and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else,
some other civilization. ....Cernan's statements came at the
last news conference of the Apollo 17 crew..."

That's not proof. It's his opinion that if there are UFOs they may be another civilization. It might also be his opinion that NASA astronauts represent the peak of human evolution, but that's hardly proof that they are.

In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.

The debris field associated with the booster. No kidding:
www.jamesoberg.com...
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On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15.

He saw something in the sky he couldn't identify. How does this equate to alien presence?

On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962.

Yes, the government was interested in investigating UFOs back then. That's not proof of anything except a government interest in finding out if they were real and what they were.

Dr. Garry Henderson, a leading space research scientist said: “All our astronauts have seen these objects but have been ordered not to discuss their findings with anyone."

Source? He doesn't mention astronaut sightings in his statement:
www.rr0.org...

And if they were ordered not to talk about this, why has astronaut Edgar Mitchell not been shut down?

Check out the radio conversations between Astronauts and Mission Control during various Moon missions ... (But I would like to add, these conversations cannot be independently verified or confirmed, and so cannot be termed as irrefutable evidence.)

In fact, given the number of ham radio operators around (including friends of mine) who listened to the conversations live, it's Darn Suspicious that nobody leaped forward with this at the time... at a time when the government was VERY interested in UFOs. This report didn't surface until fairly recently.

And how about the ‘Tether’ incident aboard STS-75 which is photographic proof of UFOs?

Nasa says it's dust and space junk. How does that photo prove NASA wrong?

And this pic taken by a lawyer from Israel, which shows the uncanny similarity which corroborates the existence of this particular type of UFO.

They're not "uncannily similar." They're "sorta similar." That's not corroboration.

These are witnesses of high credibility and standing. Not just people addicted to flights of fancy.

But were they seeing spacecraft, robots, planes, weather balloons, or meteors? Carter's not an astronomer and while I do believe he (and others) have seen things they can't identify in the skies, it doesn't necessarily follow that these are spacecraft.

And then what about the famous leaked MJ-12 documents?

Debunked by the UFO community.

In the last few years, there has been much discussion of the Majestic 12 documents, and there have come forward a ton of new documents via various sources.

The "ton of new documents" shows the pattern of hoaxing. When there's attention paid to something, the hoax-trolls start producing documentation for that item.

These are just a few from the basket. Do we trust our astronauts and pilots, and the photographs and vids taken by them? An ex President of the US of A? If yes, then isn’t this enough evidence that Aliens and UFOs are real?

I'd like to see one incontrovertable bit of evidence there. A very identifiable space ship hovering over the US capitol (not lights; a large craft hovering close) that was seen by thousands (including astronomers and military people) and captured on film would count as incontrovertable.
Not lights. Not blurs. A clearly artificially designed craft.

Originally posted by mikesingh
Do the skeptics and debunkers have any explanations for these occurrences?

Once again I'm disappointed by a subject line that promises something and doesn't deliver. That interview with Armstrong about being warned off the moon has NO EVIDENCE that it's real - that is, that very interview makes the rounds on all the alternative websites and has never been shown to be anything but fiction. Back it up.

Those photos are out of focus over-lit dust and shadows of lens bracket parts.

Have anything incontrovertible and damning? I'm waiting.

Great thread, MikeSingh, particularly bringing up the tether incident. That has got to be a clincher. As you infer, if we are not on the only planet in the universe that is home to intelligent life (not just Humans BTW), and I challenge anybody looking at the Hubble deep field image to convincingly maintain that, then it can only be anthropocentrism convincing people that no other life-form could be more advanced than us. Take a look at the current affairs threads and tell me that we are anything special. We are a virus, IMO.

What do you mean I'm a misanthrope?

As to why we have been visited, I don't believe there is any coincidence in the timing. Every nuclear explosion conducted on this planet must have been noticeable to any beings that happened to be looking in this direction. We have probably advertised our presence far and wide in our arrogance and hubris. I'm not surprised that there are others out there who, whilst thinking we do need a perceptory organ kept on us, do not want to come on down and say "hi!".

Originally posted by mikesingh
Just some of the (incontrovertible?) evidence of the existence of Aliens and UFOs is given below. Do the skeptics and debunkers have any explanations for these occurrences?

Mike, congrats ! you've just wasted a ton of forum space and bandwidth with a load of BS.....

Misquoting, out of context quotes, stuffing words into well known mouths, calling blurred dust as ET ships......well, you should get an award for causing a huge damage to ufology and polluting the evidence.

Though it seems to become part of popular culture, the MJ-12 documents are probably a hoax. To begin with there are quite a few misspelled words and at least one malaprop.

To begin with what important military document has systematically misspelled 'liaison'?

OK, it was the 40s (supposedly) and there were not spell checkers, but that word was used almost exclusively by the military and was used very frequently. Bill Moore was not the sharpest tack in the box; I'm almost convinced he was the author.

Second, since it was a negative it prevented a 'paper document' analysis as to ink and paper type (clever).

The malaprop was the use of the word 'media' to refer to the press. Since there were really no other mediums besides the printed word and radio (no widespread TV), I don't think the word 'the media' was in popular usage at that time.

There's more, including the classical analysis that was done about the date format which correcponded to an odd style one of the original team of Jaime Shandera and Bill Moore (Moore).

I don't dispute that IF there were actual contact then this kind of document might be similar to one that might be created, but that's a big if.

rocksolid

I would say the UFO in the first picture aka the tether incident is actually real. There is a video from a women from the uk who has the exact same U.F.O on tape.

She was paid a lot of money for the video and i will try and find it for you guys at ATS.

As for mike well i take everything else he has said with a pinch of salt as i do with all his other exotic post's.

Regard's
Lee



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mike, you're supposed to do the "end of the year roundup", as the phrase suggests, somewhere around December.

Not a single piece of that could be considered damning evidence. Apocryphal is a good word for it; certainly better than "windbaggery".

Wasn't Gazrok's summary of the Roswell Incident fairly conclusive in its entirety, to draw a reasonable conclusion that we are being visited?

Or Lonnie Zemora's case in Socorro, NM?

Or the Kecksburg, PA incident?

or Rendleshem?



These weren't easily explainable matters.

The Project Mogul ballooon theory doesn't hold strong with everything else that happened and that was described. It also didn't help the United States Air Force when they shot themselves in the foot when they said the bodies were from Project High Dive which really didn't start until the next decade.

The physical trace readings from the Lonnie Zemora case were incredible to the scientists from Blue Book and other people seemed to investigate it ( and this includes all physical trace sightings.)

Or Kecksburg, PA. Meteors, meteorites, whatever the popular belief is that it was, do not maneuver in mid air. It wasn't a satellite as NASA and the Russians have pointed out as it was claimed to have gone down over northern Canada.

Or Rendleshem ..... A light house? seriously...

Byrd:

Respectfully, I won't ever give the government the benefit of the doubt.

Some astronaughts have gone on the record regarding thier experiences, as have some politicians. Thats a fact.

Regardless of the MJ12 documents there's a mountain of FOIA docs available.

The battle of LA and the UFOs over the white house in 52 made major headlines and was witnessed by thousands.

The many NASA videos of anomalous objects.

The ancient accounts of UFOs in cave paintings to renaisance art. It's all throughout history. As well as many ancient cultures mythology of thier gods descending from the sky and walking amongst them.


Yes debunk what you can to deny ignorance but think a little broader. All I see is people attacking individual points mike has posted and being a little rude about it and ignorant of the bigger picture.
For those complaining about the title, can't you see the question mark?

Byrd - I do enjoy your posts, I've learnt a lot from many of them. But I wouldn't be willing to take the word of James Oberg over the astronaughts. I have heard many of his debunking arguments and heard him debate on the subject and he really is full of it.
As for the teather incident, if you think it is what NASA says well maybe you should see the full length video, some of that "dust and space junk" changes directions and some even appear out of nothing. Also I don't think you can dismiss all of the docs when there is an enormous amount of FOIA docs released by the government(s).



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There's a serious problem with the first post and this thread. It's a grab bag of incidents, real or purported. You can't effectively discuss a dozen or so issues, separated in time and place, with any degree of cohesion.

I suggest we close this thread down entirely, and re-focus on one topic per thread. If it's MJ-12, okay. If it's the purported Armstrong conversation, okay. Take one topic and toss it around.

Here's a great site with loads of videos. This is the tether incident video. The site also has an interesting UFO seen from Atlantis.

Just a few of my observations on the official comments: First, that tether is 12 miles long. The camera had it in focus, given the burnout from the extreme contrast at sunrise. Some of the "debris", which is uniform in shape, would have to be a couple of hundred metres across. Some are obviously at greater distance than the tether and satellite, which by the end of the clip is 100 nautical miles away. If the debris is actually closer to the camera than it appears to be how is it in focus? Take a photograph of a distant object (in the order of more than a hundred metres) through a chicken wire fence and the wire will actually only appear in the photo as a slight darkened area, with no defined edge.

Sencondly, under what influence is the "debris" moving? Bits are flying in all directions, at varying rates of speed, and one or two (see 4:34, top left quarter) change direction while in view.

'Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that
their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing!'

I find it strange that he'd go into details like alien ships, but won't go into further details. Umm..... he pretty much went into the forbidden details right there. Why not explain abit further.

I need some links or sound files. I dont buy it.

Come on Mike... you give "damning proof" every week and it's almost exclusively a bunch of nonsense and wishful thinking. You cant call "proof" "damning" when you can't even trace a source. Come on...

At least with the Tether incident we have something we can see and to my knowledge is tracable evidence. I have a problem with the Tether incident though, because of how linear the objects in the video move. Out of all of the objects seen all of them, from what I can tell, move in a very straight line (except perhaps at (in the video he shows) 242 when the camera shifts and it becomes more difficult to tell. It would have been nicer to see some of the objects slow down, reverse, or even change direction to me.

There is one video with David Serda (looney, and not qualified to be giving the assumptions that he was) where supposedly those same objects hover above the atmosphere, glow, and then take off away towards space, but I cant seem to find any legit info on that video. So maybe that one isn't real. =s


Mike, please post something more constructive. When you make ridiculous assumptions like you do with your "faces on mars, paths on mars," etc. it really discredits the community as a bunch of psychotic individuals who are imbalanced and incapable of studying something like this with any reliability.

There are better ways to approach this subject, and with the time you dedicate to posting things like this I am sure you could find a great way to do it constructively.

To put it simply, Mike, the answer to your question is no.

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Originally posted by Byrd

And then what about the famous leaked MJ-12 documents?

Debunked by the UFO community.

Byrd, could you please provide a link to who and when the MJ-12 documents were debunked. Thanks.

Originally posted by mikesingh

Photo taken by the lawyer

I'm pretty sure this image is a recurrent photographic "artifact". It's actually a part of the camera.

Originally posted by Byrd
I thought you were going to offer incontrovertable proof.

Buzz Aldrin speaks about a UFO seen during Apollo 11.
Video
And some more Shuttle videos here. It’s dust. It’s ice. No, it’s probably UFOs!!
France Makes Government UFO Files Public.
www.ufopictures.info...
Oh sorry. That should have read France Makes Government Bird/ice crystals/Venus/Swamp gas/balloon Files Public!
And now Mexico and UK too! But all this is bull! Right?

He saw something in the sky he couldn't identify. How does this equate to alien presence?

What was this 'something' he saw and photographed? Weather balloons 50 km up in the stratosphere? Or bees/birds? Swamp gas?!!

Yes, the government was interested in investigating UFOs back then. That's not proof of anything except a government interest in finding out if they were real and what they were.

So you agree that the government was interested in finding out what these objects were! There was something out there that was unexplainable. Unidentified. And they were up there, flying. So it boils down to Unidentified Flying Objects! And the government wanted to know to know more about these UFOs!

Dr. Garry Henderson doesn't mention astronaut sightings in his statement:
www.rr0.org...

Sorry, but that was not the only symposium he attended!

And if they were ordered not to talk about this, why has astronaut Edgar Mitchell not been shut down?

Ask NSA FBI, CIA that. I haven't the faintest clue why he wasn't put away!

Nasa says it's dust and space junk. How does that photo prove NASA wrong?

How does that tether vid prove NASA's explanations are correct?

They're not "uncannily similar." They're "sorta similar." That's not corroboration.

Semantics!

But were they seeing spacecraft, robots, planes, weather balloons, or meteors? Carter's not an astronomer and while I do believe he (and others) have seen things they can't identify in the skies, it doesn't necessarily follow that these are spacecraft.

And this does not mean that they weren't spacecraft. What were they? You don't need to be a qualified award winning astronomer to identify a UFO!

I'd like to see one incontrovertable bit of evidence there. A very identifiable space ship hovering over the US capitol (not lights; a large craft hovering close) that was seen by thousands (including astronomers and military people) and captured on film would count as incontrovertable.
Not lights. Not blurs. A clearly artificially designed craft.

So is this what you wanted to see?


Maybe CGI. But looks great uh?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Cheers!




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