Shriners and Rothschilds control the federal reserve

Originally posted by Tamahu
Masonic lodges were keepers of this knowledge of The Great Arcanum before degenerating into elitist social clubs that lost the meanings of their own symbols and rituals.

So you think the masons have lost thier own knowledge?

Originally posted by tyranny22
interesting thread. not sure of how we got here from the title, but since we're on the subject ... you guys seem to know of ancient civilizations and their beliefs...

what's up with the Sumarians? what's the snake represent in this culture? also, why are many of their statures depicting abnormally large eyes? does it have something to do with their religion?

do masons study these cultures?

OK ...

Bare with me I am highyly intoxiacated! and I don't lioke to come onto ATS when I been drinking the rum and the beer and the other good shiiiiii didnt say it. ........

OK....

Tamuhuhuh .. I don;'t like you becuase you link to much, you copy from the same website (Which I still think you own) and you always go [ ] that far off topic.

How the bloody heelllll did this thread get 2 pages. What the hell is the topic? The Mecca stone?

Here is what the Mecca stone is without the Gnostic crap (sorry Tamuhuhuhuh) Its a freaking metirotite worshiped by some Arabs before islams.. then mr. Mahamadondon said "Its from GOD!!!" and every one was like "ooooo" and then now every one wants to rub it and kiss it, maybe like it, hell if I was there, id tounge the hell outa the space rock! It was a natural phenomenon that was used by some nut case to spread the ideas of his own personal religion that he got after visiting Judea.

there is no "word" meaning mixing all that crap. Here is why..

Prefixes and suffixes in various languages have many meanings, to say that because one language used such and such which "sounded" alike but not actually spelled using the actaul same "alphebet" and then mixing it together after thousands of years --- does not mean the same thing as it did in the ancient language..

Not to mention the ancient languages had many meanigns for the same word..

Evident in all languages, from Latin to English to ancient languages of Sumarian and so forth...

To say "Ka" meant something in one language is NOT to say it means the same in another. Simply doesn't work that way..

Unless the language is a direct descendant it is possible, however Arabic is a descendant from Aramaic and other Semitic (northern Arab race) languages, like HEBREW

Originally posted by Tamahu
Masonic lodges were keepers of this knowledge of The Great Arcanum before degenerating into elitist social clubs that lost the meanings of their own symbols and rituals.

Elitist social club eh? What "club" does mr. mrs. Tamaahhhhuh be,lgin to? Nothing.

Masonry is FAR FROM "Elitist" .. most of the men are hard working middle class men.. most of the guys in my lodge (and I belong to a prominent lodge in my area) are second shift working engineers. The lodge was actually founded to support second shift working men from NCR.

ANY ONE who says Masonry is "Elitist" simply has no idea what "Masonry" is at all.. and Tamahuh doesn't know what Masonry is, even though he is VERY versed in.. well, at least in quoting another website.. gnostic teachings will NOT explain Masonry, only Masonry will. The teachings have always been the same.

So you think the masons have lost thier own knowledge?

The "knowledge" is alive and well within all lodges of men who know what to look for.. it is easily discerned among the teachings and degrees... the simplist way to find it, is to not look for something "grandeur" but instead humble.

what's up with the Sumarians? what's the snake represent in this culture? also, why are many of their statures depicting abnormally large eyes? does it have something to do with their religion?

do masons study these cultures?

I think im uquoting outa order but the steady flow of beer says, what the freaking hell.

What does the SNAKE represent within the Sumarian Culture..

Well Tamaugauhuh got it right...

Its actually fascinating.. Mayans, Aztec, Celts, Egyptians, Sumarians, almost all major civilizations had the Snake in their culture... and it all meant just about the same thing..

It represented the Milky Way to be frank.. though each culture identified it more specifically with other beliefs and gods. In Sumerian, among others, it represented the Year Wheel (Celt) or their calander.. the movement of stars and the passing of time..

It also meant among many civilizations the idea of "knowledge" or "wisdom" ..

In Celtic and several others, it represented the dominance of the Female in the culture, or at least the idea of Female worship... eh "godess" is I think the term im looking for.. yet it also at the same time represented manly power, perhaps a symbol of female / male equality. Kings would wear it on Celtic crowns, while Woman would also wear it as a sign of female fertility and power..

The "meanings" can truly only be discerned through how we find it, where we find it, and what we find it on..

In Egypt (Amun-RA The Sun took the from of a Snake on Earth) and Sumaria it was in representation of "Life" power and the (with the tail in its mouth) calender and the signs of re-birth. you also see in Ancient Egyptian Culture, among Pharaohs Isis, a fire breathing Cobra, worn around the head of the Egyptian emperors.. this is the origin of the "Third eye" so to speak, knowledge of the other-world.. Uraeus I think but don't trust meh spelling.


It should also be noted that only in Christianity (and Judaism) is the Snake representing Temptation.. evil.. wicked souls and the devil ect.


Ouroboros thats what its called in Celtic culture before I forget..

Do masons study ancient cultures?

The more serious ones do, yes.

WRONG. Only those "Interested" .. I as a history major of course, I know a bit about many cultures (Tamahuahuhauhuh might disagree but he just needs to understand NOT EVERY ONE IS NOR CARES ABOUT PURE GNOSTIC TEACHINGS) but not all Masons study ancient cultures, because for the most part, it is irrelevant to the Masonic teachings.

I can understand the Rothschild connection to banking but the Shriners? Any more details on that?

Originally posted by RedPill
I can understand the Rothschild connection to banking but the Shriners? Any more details on that?

Rothchilds are rich.. obviously they own something.. to say they own "every bank" within the federal reserve though is complete CRAP. Seriously. All of the companies within the Federal Reserve are PUbLICLY owned, which means anyone containing 10% or more of the corporation MUST BY LAW present their financial (including stock trades) on the internet....... find the CEO's name, google it, and you'll get his financial stock trade information, including all "options" and "bonuses" given by the any company.

All banks are corporations, for the most part, at least all big ones if you want to run the world, buy out the stocks!

Shriner connection? Well you'll have to understand the Jew hating OP here.. as I said first off, the thread makes no sense to begin with, how it ended up 2 pages is beyond me.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
To say "Ka" meant something in one language is NOT to say it means the same in another. Simply doesn't work that way..

Unless the language is a direct descendant it is possible, however Arabic is a descendant from Aramaic and other Semitic (northern Arab race) languages, like HEBREW

I'm sure if we look into the matter we will find that there is a language connection to the word Ka.

Amazingly, there are still many ka-words holding a religious meaning: ka ka'ba kabala kachina qadar Kaddish Kalam Kali calix Kama Kamadhenu cantata cantor capitulor Kapelle (chapel) Karaite cardinal karma cathedra cathedral katholikos catholic catechesis (for comparison: Lakshi lama Lamaism - only three la-words).

The ka-soul of ancient Egypt was of human shape and returned the the Other World when someone died; ka was the principle of vitality, also present in food, and of creativity. Ka'ba: pre-Islamic and Islamic House of God. Kabala or cabala comes from Hebrew qaballah for tradition, lit. something received, i.e. handed down; if qa means down, it has the same meaning as ancient Greek kata, which is present in catholic from kata holou, according to the whole, in katechesis, literally din down, in cathedra and cathedral from sit down, always implying that God in one form or another comes down from heaven in order to teach us. Qadar: fate in Islam. Kachina: ancestral spirits deified by the Hopi Indians.

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Originally posted by Tamahu



But if students of Masonic Occultism study the works of the likes of Eliphas Levi, Wynn Westcott, MacGregor Mathers, Goethe, Kenneth Mackenzie, H.P. Blavatsky, John Yarker, Godfrey Higgins, Thomas Taylor, Manly P. Hall, etc.; then they'll see that Samael Aun Weor lifted the veil in regard to many things written by said Initiates/Adepts/Masters.

It just clicks, like: "Oh, now I get it."

I must strongly disagree. I do recommend that anyone interested in the subject read Samael Aun Weor, but personally I have no doubt that he was an impostor without true knowledge, and that his works only obscure the subject because of this lack of knowledge.

This is why I recommend that all who study Weor balance it by also studying Paul Foster Case, Israel Regardie, Dion Fortune, and Aleister Crowley. These four present the Western Kabalaistic Tradition in its purity, minus the bizarre and often nonsensical notions of Weor.

Also, I would like to add that I believe that Paul Case is the best for beginners...it was through his work that I myself "finally got it", to paraphrase Tamahu.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
It should also be noted that only in Christianity (and Judaism) is the Snake representing Temptation.. evil.. wicked souls and the devil ect.

This just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'll suggest you study more, before typing more nonsense.




[edit on 12-5-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Masonic Light

I must strongly disagree. I do recommend that anyone interested in the subject read Samael Aun Weor, but personally I have no doubt that he was an impostor without true knowledge, and that his works only obscure the subject because of this lack of knowledge.

This is why I recommend that all who study Weor balance it by also studying Paul Foster Case, Israel Regardie, Dion Fortune, and Aleister Crowley. These four present the Western Kabalaistic Tradition in its purity, minus the bizarre and often nonsensical notions of Weor.

Also, I would like to add that I believe that Paul Case is the best for beginners...it was through his work that I myself "finally got it", to paraphrase Tamahu.

"Bizarre"!?!


Sorry, but anyone who follows the teachings of a drug addicted bisexual(*edited previous statement for the sake of public courtesy*) has nothing to say about "bizarre"-ness.




Many of Dion Fortune's writings are very good though.


And Paul Foster Case's writings seem okay I guess.




[edit on 12-5-2007 by Tamahu]

The Kabbalistic writings that are recommended however(in no particular order), are the following:





Mystical Qabalah - Dion Fortune

The Esoteric Course of Alchemical Kabbalah - Samael Aun Weor

The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah - Samael Aun Weor

The Kabbalah of the Mayan Mysteries - Samael Aun Weor

Metu Neter: Volumes I and II/MAAT: The 11 Laws of God/Tree of Life Qi Gong - Ra Un Nefer Amen

Anunian Theology and the Philosophy of RA - Sebai Muata Ashby

Sepher Yetzirah: The Book of Formation and the 32 Paths of Wisdom - W. Wynn Westcott

Aesch Mezareph or Purifying Fire a Chymico-kabalistic Treatise Collected from the Kabala Denudata of Knorr Von Rosenroth - W. Wynn Westcott and Knorr Von Rosenroth

Kabbalah Unveiled - MacGregor Mathers

Cabalistic Keys to the Lord's Prayer - Manly P. Hall

THE SACRED MAGIC OF THE QABBALAH The Science of Divine Names - Manly P. Hall

Qabbalah: The Philosophy of Ibn Gebirol & the Zohar (Secret Doctrine Reference Series) - Isaac Myer

OEdipus AEgyptiacus - Athanasius Kircher

Morals and Dogma - Albert Pike

Transcendental Magic: Its Doctrine and Ritual - Eliphas Levi

Book of Splendours - Eliphas Levi

The Mysteries of the Qabalah: Or Occult Agreement of the Two Testaments - Eliphas Levi

The Kabbalistic Prayer, the Book of Formation, And the Magical Ritual of the Sanctum Regnum - Eliphas Levi

Celtic Druids - Godfrey Higgins

Anacalypsis: An Attempt to Draw Aside the Veil of the Saitic Isis or an Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions - Godfrey Higgins

THE TREASURY OF KNOWLEDGE- Book One: Myriad Worlds - Jamgön Kongtrul Lodrö Tayé

ABHIDHARMAKOSABHASYAM - Vasubandhu

ABHIDHARMASAMUCCAYA - Asanga

Isis Unveiled - H.P. Blavatsky

The Secret Doctrine - H.P. Blavatsky

Dionysius the Areopagite: The Mystical Theology and the Celestial Hierarchies - Dionysius the Areopagite







Anything of positive usefulness that might be found in the writings of Aleister Crowley or his followers can be found in these^^^ above writings.


And performing the rituals taught by Aleister Crowley is a certain way to bury one deeper in the Klipoth(Hell Realms) real quick.




[edit on 12-5-2007 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu

Performing the rituals taught by Aleister Crowley is a certain way to bury one deeper in the Klipoth(Hell Realms) real quick.

You do know he taught the same rituals that Westcott, Mathers, Levi, Blavatsky and many others taught?

But you wouldn't know it because your so afraid of sex (well at least finishing the act) that you resort to vulgar language to describe a sexual practice.

You hatred is a black cloak over your soul my friend.

Originally posted by Cug
You do know he taught the same rituals that Westcott, Mathers, Levi, Blavatsky and many others taught?

Yes, but he corrupted them.

But you wouldn't know it because your so afraid of sex (well at least finishing the act) that you resort to vulgar language to describe a sexual practice.

Gays(Lilith) and fornicators(those who complete the orgasm) in general(Nahemah) are the ones who hate Sex.

This was taught by all the Masters(see the writings of Swami Sivananda(Yoga), the Dalai Lamas(Tantra) and Samael Aun Weor(Gnostic Tantra)).

You hatred is a black cloak over your soul my friend.

Gays hate the Holy Spirit, and they will be destroyed when Allah comes as Christ with armies of Wrathful Deities.














[edit on 12-5-2007 by Tamahu]