Drone UFO pics on C2C

Originally posted by rocksolidbrain

Originally posted by menguard
I would suggest visually enhancing the image in the 2nd photo and look up about about 12:00 O' clock high and look at those two dot visuals above this pod.Enhance them and you will get a bigger picture.

Well..if you could really enhance them somehow, you'd see that its just dust particles on the camera lens.

I would look harder, or with a magnifying glass.No pun intended.

TWO things first of all I know a person who recently criticised this board and he was BANNED and is now unable to log on to the site from that computer. I watched his posts and they seemed to be very fair. He use to go by the name A Sinclair. Anyway at risk of being BANNED I would like to say that it is weak to label something so amazing as FAKE. These photos are amazing and they are startling to look at and because of their clarity every PRO and there seems to be a whole lot of these PROS right here on ATS ready to declare almost everything that lends itself to the side of a bonfide UFO as fake. Which came first the UFO or the debunker? Unless you were present when "Chad" rigged this thing up then you are unable to declare it a fake and that IS a fact. I by the way am not saying I believe it is in fact real I do believe it is very interesting but I am unsure of its validity still without more i
nformation it seems quite odd for all these "experts" to be clear on its status.

Originally posted by Latitude

Originally posted by schuyler
Now, the real question is, did I answer yours? Do yu understand now that you won't get banned if you are wrong?

Yes, you answered it quite well. Thanks

Sorry for the double post. I don't know how that happened. I swear I only posted it once. Oh, well....

If Chad really wanted an elucidation about this object, he must have searched any oficial organ like nasa, fbi or army, he said that his wife is pregnant and hes feeling abnormal headaches, and if it could indeed represent any risk to their healths then this machine must be
verified by any team of especialists using magnetometer, geiger counter!


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Originally posted by rocksolidbrain
On the question of experts being wrong, I must say that it was an immature remark. Experts here, do not force everyone to accept their opinion as facts, they are here to help. They are here to help uncover the truth, not to TELL the truth.

You need to understand what I said in it's entire context. The main point of my post was to alert ATS members that I had heard that Chad is now working with a well know UFO researcher to get more info on the object including video! I went on to ask how it would reflect onto the imaging experts if this object were to be proven as a real object. Maybe I did not phrase my question properly but I do think it was a valid question. Certainly not immature as you have accused.

Now what I don't understand is that instead of being intrigued by the possibility of more data on the subject you instead are more concerned for the reputations of those who have went on record stating explicitly that the photos are without a doubt CGI. It was not my intention but I guess I touched a nerve?

Remember.... CGI applies to footage as well as stills. Any footage is basically just a series of still images. The same rules apply, if they didn't ILM, WETA etc would all be out of a job.

Moving footage done in CGI thats photo realistic just takes a little longer. IF any footage does surface I'm betting it wont be a long piece.

Wayne...

Well I think that is better to work with the possibility that this object is true
and represent a big discover doing the most possible to find an explanation
and if an specialist in UFO is looking for any responses I think this is good thing. But like was said by any 3d and 2d manipulators is really very dificult or impossible to find if the photos are a fake.

Ok I will analise the photos too and I´ll show it to an photographer friend of me.

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Originally posted by klitburger
TWO things first of all I know a person who recently criticised this board and he was BANNED and is now unable to log on to the site from that computer. I watched his posts and they seemed to be very fair. He use to go by the name A Sinclair.

Uh, not true. A Sinclair is still an active member, though he has never posted a lot on ATS. He had one post edited because he attempted to circumvent the automatic censor ATS uses to turn swear words into something like '#' That is against policy, so he was edited. But subsequent to that inclident he made a couple of more posts. He has not been and is not banned.

If this is the same A Sinclair I know he is probably just busy on another board where he is much more active and serves as a moderator.

Originally posted by the secret web


Remember.... CGI applies to footage as well as stills. Any footage is basically just a series of still images. The same rules apply, if they didn't ILM, WETA etc would all be out of a job.

Moving footage done in CGI thats photo realistic just takes a little longer. IF any footage does surface I'm betting it wont be a long piece.

Wayne...

True, but you have to take into account that in moving pictures such issues as shadows/reflections take a whole new dimension. Then there's of course the fact that there might be interaction with the environment which is extremely complicated sometimes.

Latitude
how it would reflect onto the imaging experts if this object were to be proven as a real object.

I don't think it will effect them at all, it could be both cgi and a actual prop together or be the real thing, doesn't matter. The photos went through Adobe Photoshop Elements 2.0 which is used to enhance digital images, so if Chad wants to come clean, he needs to redownload the images and retell the story, not make a video.


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Originally posted by PsykoOps


True, but you have to take into account that in moving pictures such issues as shadows/reflections take a whole new dimension. Then there's of course the fact that there might be interaction with the environment which is extremely complicated sometimes.

These things have to be taken into consideration anyway even when doing a still render. 90% of the time a still image is approached from a rendering standpoint in the same way, think of it as a frame from a movie. The other 10% of times is where the artist will add significatn post work in photoshop etc to improve the look of the still. But even this can be done on moving images with compositing software.

Reflections, refractions etc can be done pretty easily with proper use of HDRI lighting. In some render engines you can even specify which city of town in the world's atmosphere you wish to simulate as well as time of day etc.

Wayne...

Haha, aw, I just posted a thread about this. Didn't know the pics were already floating around.

I still think the whole thing is interesting - especially a number of eyewitness accounts. The pics look a bit shopped though, imo.

interesting because the army has surveilance equipment that looks like this the center of it is what kind of reminds me of what they have....hmm...maybe its new govvy tech and they threw some strange markings on it so people would think its a ufo if it crashed or was seen....maybe its a alien reconnisance vehicle scoping us out or maybe.....it was me mwahahahahahaha

also if you put it in adobe and turn the saturation down you can see other things in the sky behind but its hard to make out what it is where in california was this?

Regarding Chad and the "Ufo Expert":

If Chad had a real object here, Chad would be handing his camera over to an IMAGING EXPERT so (s)he could get the un compressed, PURE data off of it and NOT hooking up with a "Ufo Expert" to go shoot a movie this thing.

Chad would have CNN taking the moving images, or at a minimum his local news station, in other words, an accredited journalist who has NO Bias or reason to HOAX anything.

This revelation of Chad hooking up with a "well known Ufo expert" only ADDS to the fact this is a hoax. I would also LOVE to know the name of this "expert" I am betting dollars to doughnuts it's D. Sereda.

Let's face it, most of the "experts" in "Ufology" are selling something. That something RARELY turns out to be the truth I am sad to report.

"Klitburger", I don't know why you feel the need to falsely accuse this site of banning A Sinclair but your rhetoric smacks of the typical, acidic "True Believer" who wants something so badly LOGIC, FACT and REALITY will not get in the way of his desired outcome. I have a feeling you won't find ATS much to your liking mate.

Springer...

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Latitude,

Thats one hell of misunderstanding you got. But I'll leave it here as I don't want this thread to slide into a mess of belief wars. Your personal bitterness towards the "experts" is clear. Remember that they are only doing their job and unlike you they don't bother if they are wrong. At least I won't.

Second, if Chad wants a 'ufo expert' to secretly film it and not let any media or people of some credibility to take a look, makes me even more suspicious of his intentions.

When I saw the pics of another similar sighting in lake Tahoe, I wondered about it being a real thing, but now I'm off the fence. Almost everything is suspicious here.

either way it looks cool and its going up as my background for a while dont know what it is but thanks for the pics homie....if it was real then god save us all

I'll tell you, though, those pictures are great. I haven't seen as cool looking pictures since the Billy Meier's coffee table books "UFO Contact from the Pleiades." There's a money making opportunity here. Maybe the UFO expert is Elders! I'll be looking for the first edition: "Contact: Eggbeaters from Mars!" Very cool.

Originally posted by justanothergangster
....if it was real then god save us all

Think about that for a minute. I'm not posting to continue the debate of fake or not. Frankly, I don't know. But I think it's a good thought experiment to consider the ramifications if it were to be a real ET craft. Think about what it might mean for the world, for the country, even for you, your job and your family. JAG says "God save us all". Is that from a feeling of dread? Could it mean the end to all you know as the world? Or could it be what saves the world and makes it a much better place for all. Would the world be thrown into global panic and anarchy? Or would we come together and unite as the human race? How would the governments of the world react?

Originally posted by Springer
Regarding Chad and the "Ufo Expert":

This revelation of Chad hooking up with a "well known Ufo expert" only ADDS to the fact this is a hoax. I would also LOVE to know the name of this "expert" I am betting dollars to doughnuts it's D. Sereda.

Springer...

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Springer,
I think the expert is Linda Mouton Howe of Earthfiles fame. She claims on her sight she has been in contact with Chad and he is going to attempt to get video.