Is the atheist brain more evolved?

Absolutely nothing happened, I went to sleep one night and woke up the next day with the full knowledge that there was no God, there never was and there never will be, there is no heaven nor a hell.

It was a shock to me to realize this. I sometimes solve problems in my sleep so I guess this was one of those things I thought about in my sleep, a time when all of those things taught to me from birth could be shut down and the use of logic and nothing else took over.

Honestly I had a difficult time realizing this, I was not really ready to do so. I liked the idea of prayer and usually prayed on a daily basis, I liked believing that one day if I was a good enough person I would see my lost loved ones in the future, this was a great deal of comfort for me and then suddenly waking up was like being thrown into a tub of ice water just after getting out of a warm bed.

And yes I tried to deny the new found knowledge, but try as I might, I could do nothing but accept the truth and at times it has been a difficult journey to do so, after all there is a great deal of comfort in believing there is a big loving daddy in the sky gonna reward me for being a good human being. It is this knowledge of the comfort one receives and the loss of the comfort in my own life that leads me to not discuss my beliefs with those who choose to believe.

I don't know if the brain is or is not more evolved in atheists.
But one thing i know, it works completely different.

I have friends who believe in god, and they do have some kind of limitations/fears when we aproach "open-mind" subjects, like UFO, conspiracy, war, human rights, politics, science, etc.

Also i, know that none of mine, god believer friends/non friends, follow all the 10 commandments, which makes me think about: how come a person believe in god and therefore in religion, and break the rules of the one they believe?

For me i am very straight forward to them and i said, people who believe in god/religion are weak, because they need an umbrella to protect them from the rain, but deep inside they know, that the umbrella is full of holes
and the rain will pour down, but they need to believe(it's like a software program), that something will protect them...but there is no protection at all. We born alone and we shall die alone.


A last note:
All those friends of mine took religious classes during schooltime
and some even went to the church for all that brainwash they do in there. They were obligated by their parents to go.

In my case, my mother(she's a catholic believer) gave me the power to decide if i should or not go into religious classes in school, what do you think i have choosen?

I feel free to think without restraints and i don't see myself in any other way. I feel free and that's all i can say.


Once with some of those friends, i said to them with irony:
"My mission here (on earth) is to make you guys believe that there is no god", then i stoped and waited. They look at me in silence, and one of them asked me in a serious way: "Really?" i replied Yes.

Is the atheist brain more evolved than a religious person? No. There are highly intelligent theists and there are really dumb atheists, and vise versa. Believes depend more on life experiences than anything else.
There are logical problems with any religion as there is with atheism.
IMO the agnostic brain is the most advanced in the fact that they are willing to say “I don’t know” Then again I'm agnostic.
But that’s just my 0.02

it sounds to me Goose that you still hold onto the belief of a big daddy in the sky that it is not fully gone i dont mean to pry

it sounds to me Goose that you still hold onto the belief of a big daddy in the sky that it is not fully gone i dont mean to pry

Hell no atheists are morons just like everybody else.

There is a quote I like that I got from the Utne Reader a few years back... I forget who said it but, like I said I like the sentiment...

"I am an agnostic, I am not arrogant enough to be an atheist."

Originally posted by followerofchrist
it sounds to me Goose that you still hold onto the belief of a big daddy in the sky that it is not fully gone i dont mean to pry

Sorry no, There is no God anywheres, he is a total lie. The fact that I choose not to take the comfort others find in their beliefs away by preaching atheism is not because I believe, but more a respect of the individual to make that choice to see the truth or not to see.

I realize they obviously need to believe and when they can open their eyes and realize they are alone, they have always been alone, nothing has changed for them except their ideas and their perspective on the subject, is not a weakness of my own views on my part just an acknowledgement that many need religion because they are weak and need this belief to get through the day.

As for me, **** God, I would rather pray to a gallon of paint at least it is real.



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To me, this one seems simple, aithiest are deffiently not more evolved, they're simply more open minded than people with firm religious beliefs.

Aithiest are willing to learn more, Relious already learned all they need to know.

Originally posted by thexsword
To me, this one seems simple, aithiest are deffiently not more evolved, they're simply more open minded than people with firm religious beliefs.

Aithiest are willing to learn more, Relious already learned all they need to know.

This is sarcasm right?????????

There is absolutley no way you can become a Christian without being open minded.

It's easy to run with the crowd and believe the things that are taught by the blind to the blind. It requires an open mind to seek God and the Messiah.

The result is seek and you will find........knock and it will be opened.

Religion: a belief in a higher power, bound and subject to the laws of the church and man.

Atheism: A belief in the power of one's self, with an abscence of belief in a higher power. As per, the laws of the unverse, physics, and science.

Spirituality: the belief in the progression of mankind, bound and subject to no limitations. Belief in a unversal and divine will for each soul, along with infinite possibility. Not bound by a god in the flesh, but of divine energy represinting a power greater than one's self.

"Simple minds dicuss people

mediocre minds discuss events

great minds discuss possibilities."

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Religion: a belief in a higher power, bound and subject to the laws of the church and man.

Atheism: A belief in the power of one's self, with an abscence of belief in a higher power. As per, the laws of the unverse, physics, and science.

Spirituality: the belief in the progression of mankind, bound and subject to no limitations. Belief in a unversal and divine will for each soul, along with infinite possibility. Not bound by a god in the flesh, but of divine energy represinting a power greater than one's self.

Spirituality: An excuse for not having a relationship with the One true and living God. The door to the One World Religion that is spoken of in the Bible. The New Age..........The New World Order...........The Order of the Ages..........The Coming Cosmic Christ........The door to the Antichrist.
The day of spirituality and the all accepting World Religion is at the doorway...........NO THANKS.

Wow.

Religious zeal. interesting.

Religion: judgemental, intollerant, inconsiderate, stagnant, dated, fear-based, warring, haughty, corrupt, opiate, weakness. I could go on.

I believe in God, or that is what I choose to call it, for lack of its true name. I can see it working around me every day. I don't need a church to pray. Religion is a way to justify belief with some sort of reward. That is not FAITH. People who have faith would not need a church, or a preist to "pat them on the back." I was totally godless at one point, then I had an intensly spiritual experience. And no, it was not drug related in any way. I just saw what god wanted me to see. You see, when you are silent is when god speaks to you. There are signs everywhere.

I sense fear in that post, fear ususally perpetuates anger and resentment. After all why do you care so much what I think when you have the answer yourself. You need not try to save my soul, as I would not try to save yours. That kind of thing does nothing for anyone. We all must be on our own path to god. If god wants me in a church it will put me in a church. After all if i pray for knowledge of its will for me, I can only "give it to god and not take it back." I am dust in the wind. The wind blows because god wants it to, therefore it will take me where I need to be. I only believe what it shows me everyday. I learn new things about it everyday, and I will continue to learn until it decides that I have finished my journey. There is no answer to the "god question" and I don't think that there ever can be. Only man's interepretations of what god is. It was thier will to provide a small peice of the puzzle. When the pieces come together you will finally see what god is:

LOVE



[edit on 6-5-2007 by Eyeofhorus]

ev·o·lu·tion /ˌɛvəˈluʃən or, especially Brit., ˌivə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ev-uh-loo-shuhn or, especially Brit., ee-vuh-]
1. any process of formation or growth; development: the evolution of a language; the evolution of the airplane.
2. a product of such development; something evolved: The exploration of space is the evolution of decades of research.
3. Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.
4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.
5. a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motions to produce a single action, as in a machine.
6. a pattern formed by or as if by a series of movements: the evolutions of a figure skater.
7. an evolving or giving off of gas, heat, etc.
8. Mathematics. the extraction of a root from a quantity. Compare involution (def. 8).
9. a movement or one of a series of movements of troops, ships, etc., as for disposition in order of battle or in line on parade.
10. any similar movement, esp. in close order drill.

According to this definition, evolution is merely a matter of opinion. As far as science goes, good luck growing an athiest chromosome. When you atheists start communicating telepathically send me a message. better yet, just will your thoughts into my brain.

Originally posted by grover
"I am an agnostic, I am not arrogant enough to be an atheist."

Same here.

Originally posted by thexsword
To me, this one seems simple, aithiest are deffiently not more evolved, they're simply more open minded than people with firm religious beliefs.
Aithiest are willing to learn more, Relious already learned all they need to know.

Well personally I belive that agnostics would be the most 'open-minded' (requiring some sort of real and logical proof of a deity)
It's like this:
You have the people who blindly believe everything about 9/11.
You have the people who blindly disprove everything about 9/11.
You have the people who investigate the available information THEN decide whether they believe it or not.
Also I wouldn't say Atheists want to 'learn more', as most I know go off the deep end whenever religion is mentioned.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
This is sarcasm right?????????

Not quite.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
There is absolutley no way you can become a Christian without being open minded.

*Cough*cough* Fred Phelps and other religious bigots *cough*cough*.
What if your raised a Christian? Told that, if you abandon whatever sect you belong to, your family will disown you?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
It's easy to run with the crowd and believe the things that are taught by the blind to the blind. It requires an open mind to seek God and the Messiah.

I'm sure that whatever branch of Christianity/Islam/Judaism/Pastafarianism you belong to isn't 'blind' and is the only way to avoid hell.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
The result is seek and you will find........knock and it will be opened.

I came...I sought...And I found nothing.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Spirituality: An excuse for not having a relationship with the One true and living God. The door to the One World Religion that is spoken of in the Bible. The New Age..........The New World Order...........The Order of the Ages..........The Coming Cosmic Christ........The door to the Antichrist.
The day of spirituality and the all accepting World Religion is at the doorway...........NO THANKS.

Why do most religious threads devolve into 'New World Order', 'Antichrist', 'One World Religion'?
Also how many times has the Bible been revised by HUMANS?
Also there's a big difference between 'spirituality' and a 'one world religion'.

Originally posted by Knightshadowz
If it weren't for something greater than our understanding, the cells of our body wouldn't function at all.

and what beyond our understanding is that?
hell, is ANYTHING beyond our understanding?

this is why i, and richard dawkins, hate religion. to quote him:

I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.

and to the agnostics. you're answering the epistimological question of knowing, what about the position you're taking? it seems like agnostics are those afraid to not hop the fence onto the side of the atheist which they really tend to live life on anyway.

i'm an AGNOSTIC ATHEIST. an atheist who does not know that there is no god, but takes it on logical argument and reason stating "i am almost certain there is no god"

and sun, theism is by default closed-minded. singular truth and salvation that is revealed from on high and cannot be refuted. that's closed minded.

Sun Matrix, calm down buddy. I'm with you, I am a Christian. I do agree that it takes an open mind to accept Christ as your lord and saviour, and have faith in everything that we don't know. What I mean't was that after becoming a Christian(for example), we stand firm in our beliefs and most begin to close their minds to other belief systems. I have no problem with this, I am firm and uncompromising in my beliefs like most Christians, although I still study all types of subjects because I believe everything from science, to islam, to aitheism only proves the bible and it's prophecy that much more.

But it seems simple to me, those who close there mind after they feel they have found the truth, tends to stop learning and growing as much. After all, all they need is their beliefs.

Maddness in my soul: We know you hate religion.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Wow.

Religious zeal. interesting.

Religion: judgemental, intollerant, inconsiderate, stagnant, dated, fear-based, warring, haughty, corrupt, opiate, weakness. I could go on.

I sense fear in that post, fear ususally perpetuates anger and resentment. After all why do you care so much what I think when you have the answer yourself. You need not try to save my soul, as I would not try to save yours. That kind of thing does nothing for anyone. We all must be on our own path to god. If god wants me in a church it will put me in a church. After all if i pray for knowledge of its will for me, I can only "give it to god and not take it back." I am dust in the wind. The wind blows because god wants it to, therefore it will take me where I need to be. I only believe what it shows me everyday. I learn new things about it everyday, and I will continue to learn until it decides that I have finished my journey. There is no answer to the "god question" and I don't think that there ever can be. Only man's interepretations of what god is. It was thier will to provide a small peice of the puzzle. When the pieces come together you will finally see what god is:

LOVE



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You are barking up the wrong tree bub.....I have no use for religion.

Certainly I'm many things.........but religious is not one of them.

The only fear you sensed was your own. You seem lost and confused. If you are having trouble answering the God question..............you might try the BOOK. It has the answers you can't seem to find.

Originally posted by thexsword
What I mean't was that after becoming a Christian(for example), we stand firm in our beliefs and most begin to close their minds to other belief systems. I have no problem with this, I am firm and uncompromising in my beliefs like most Christians, although I still study all types of subjects because I believe everything from science, to islam, to aitheism only proves the bible and it's prophecy that much more.

But it seems simple to me, those who close there mind after they feel they have found the truth, tends to stop learning and growing as much. After all, all they need is their beliefs.

Maddness in my soul: We know you hate religion.

Thexsword, I hate religion myself.

As for me, I have not stopped learning. I have studied most of the major religions of the world. I have found that we can track their origin to Babylon. That includes the eastern religions, Islam, and Catholicism

Am I religious? Absolutely not.

Am I an atheist? No, not quite.

I am an agnostic. While to most people, this would mean I can be swayed either way... you are in fact wrong in my circumstance.

I am agnositc because the process of science clearly states that you cannot determine ANYTHING to be fact, until it has been proven.

The downside to religion, is it preaches that it is OK to simply blame events on god. No research required... you are permitted to be as ignorant as you want to be, as mentally lazy as you can be, that one word is the only thing you need to know, blame everything on it, and you are faithful.

The scientific process is the process of ensuring that you do seek the truth, that you do not permit your personal beliefs to affect your findings, and that nothing is to be declared as fact, until it cannot possibly be disproven.

It is for this reason why religion is fading out, while Atheism and Agnosticism are taking over. We progress, we advance ourselves willingly, with determination to progress. Religion is more of an anchor when it comes to progress, resisting it at almost every corner.

Many scientists and simply experimental minds have been slaughtered by religion. Called witches, heathens, and many other names, they are burned at stakes, hung, slaughtered for simply wanting to progress the race, to make life for us all a little easier.
In todays times the law now overrides religion from being so barbaric, so instead religion attempts to use the law, and clever marketing to slow scientific progress.
Any organization that is so openly against the evolution and progression of our race, I cannot take seriously. They are irrational, religion cannot be allowed into my life.

But, theres little left to worry from them. Especially in recent times, religion is proving itself to be more and more irrational every week, and is steadily losing all credibility.

Soon my friends, our research, our creativity, our progress as a race, will go unhindered!

[edit on 7-5-2007 by johnsky]

Originally posted by Chaoticar
Also how many times has the Bible been revised by HUMANS?

Which means.........What? We have the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek so what is the problem. Maybe if you understood WHY there is so many translations you will understand why the truth is under attack.