Is the atheist brain more evolved?

Foremost, let me state: I'm spiritual, NOT religious.
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Atheists are what I catorgorize as:

*Those that branch away from 'acceptable, normal beliefs of the Religious mainstream', in order to find a logical/more tangible approach and reasoning to everyday events in life etc.

I don't place blame with these people, as I understand the religious dogmas that circumvent real truth.

Religion in itself, is disasterous to humankind. (Don't get me started with all the delusions that are prevelant in this) I believe only, in the lessons to be learned from scriptures of the Bible - Please refrain from attacking my beliefs, as these have sustained me in life thus far, and I stand before you with open heart and mind to acknowledge your side of the coin, with proper respect.

I am courious though...

Why do some Atheists take what I call a 'pit-bull stance' to others of different faiths/beliefs? Is it because the person who confronts you puts your back in a corner, or they merely 'shove their religious medicines down the throat?'

If that's the case, then I don't blame Atheists for retaliating.

[edit on 5-5-2007 by TheDuckster]

As far as the Atheists mind being more evolved?

*There is NO substantial evidence to support this claim.

if the truth was in front of them (atheists) would they turn there beliefs? I pray that everyone recieves healing from this thread and i also pray that at least one atheist turns from the sin they are commiting in front of God. I want all atheists to know God loves YOU but not the sin you so commit

Athiests that believe there isn't a God and those in the religious field that blindly accept a God are in the same boat.

You find God through science, and by that I'm not talking about a sole man, I'm talking about all that is, in essence.

The more into science you begin to understand, the more amazing things are.

please explain a little more in depth on that subject i also dont see how atheists are in the same boat as christians....unless you talk about those christians that are RELIGIOUS. (not unlike the pharisees and saducies)

Well isn't a atheist also forming a belief based on faith , as they have no proof that there isn't a God yet they chose to believe that one doesn't exist ?

Originally posted by Lecter
Most of the population belives in a higher power

Actually, no. The majority of the World's population does not belong to any one particular religion and therefore can be considered atheist for that purpose.

The notion that an atheist's bran is more "evolved" is utterly retarded.

Thats like saying that communists are more evolved than capitalists, or that people who are pro stem-cell research are more evolved than those against it.

Well, I've been an atheist in the past (for over 24 years, from the time I was 17), and I finally gave it up. I've been "clean" of atheism for 6 years now — but let me qualify my statements. As I understand atheism, it means living a lifestyle and fostering in myself behavior and patterns of reason that do not acknowledge a diety in charge of existence. In short, atheism is a life without God. And I'm cool with that.

However, during my association with other professed atheists for over 24 years, I came to the realization that the great majority of atheists can not live without God. For many atheists, their entire lives revolve around debunking God, mocking the Church, citing passages from the Bible that seem totally contradictory, and so on.

Pardon, but most of the atheists I knew (and still know) spend more time contemplating God than most theists. I've told this story before, so I'll just recap here: I used to do a show on Pacifica Radio, and the show after mine was The American Atheist Hour, so I (as an atheist) would hang out at the station and sit in on their show sometimes. And these guys could not utter a word that wasn't bashing religion — mainly the Bible and Christians. They absolutely couldn't open their mouths without the words "God," "Bible," "Jesus," or "Christians" tumbling out.

So, one night I (as an atheist) suggested that the guys do an entire show — just one entire show — without mentioning God or Jesus or the Bible or Jerry Falwell or any of that other religious garbage. I argued that The American Atheist Hour should be 60 minutes in which God was not acknowledged in the slightest, if they were going to be true to themselves and the show's title.

Well... They looked at me like I had just taken a dump in their lunchbags. Suddenly, I was a heretic and they were the Inquisition. I ended up leaving Pacifica after that because it wasn't worth going in and taking 50 harassing phone calls from their listeners on my show. I mean, talk about vindictive — those bastards wanted to rant about religion and God and the Devil, and shame on you if you suggested any other approach.

Anyhow, what I came to understand was that most professed atheists are not atheists at all... They're just as entrenched in scriptures and Heaven and Hell as the most God-fearing believer. They aren't really atheists living their lives without God — they're actually God-Haters, as dependent on religion as any Catholic or Baptist or Muslim, except that God-Haters are perhaps more angry and closed-minded. But they've still gotta have their "God fix" every day.

Now, I don't call that "more evolved," unless shallow and mean-spirited malcontents are more evolved, as well. It sounds to me as though the atheist brain actually is wired for spirituality and the atheist knows it, and he can't stand the idea of conformity, so he attacks God instead. Yeah. As if God even exists, right?

So, that pretty much sums up my reasons for no longer calling myself an atheist — to me it's an insulting and hypocritical badge of ignorance, and certainly not an indicator of evolutionary superiority.

That's funny as hell. I just tried to imagine the end of civilization, with only a handful of "superior" atheists surviving to rebuild...except that no atheist I ever met had enough hope to rebuild a civilization.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 5/6/2007 by Doc Velocity]

Well I don't think that the atheist brain is more evolved. . .

They just do not have to ask their spiritual leaders from the church how to live their lives.

Really, this is not about who knows better than who, is about the way we may perceive our lives in our world within the universe.

[edit on 6-5-2007 by marg6043]

i like your testamony it revealed something that is already known man is spiritual whether he is for God or against God in science or against science man is spiritual. and you know its the same way with masons, devil worshippers, all of them they spend all their time either bashing it or pretending

Both are blind faiths - for most religions (a.k.a. Christianity and Atheism).

no blind is man without God

I do believe that an Atheists brain is more evolved than a religous persons is. However, I don't mean more genetically evolved, but rather logically.

It all depends on upbringing. Religous people are brought up to have an unwaivering faith in their religon, just like North Korean people have in their leader, or maybe the Hitler youth to Nazism. Athiests are open to all possibilities as long as there logical.

So Atheists base their decisions on logic, and religous people base theirs on how they've been taught. This is the same difference between a computer and a human. Humans are able to make their own decisions, whereas computers can only do what their programmed to do.

This doesn't mean that Atheists are all super intelligent, we still make dumb decisions based on our upbringing e.g drug abuse, violence.

P.S Atheism is not a faith/religion!!! It is the absence of these source, the only reason Atheists discuss it is because Theists are constantly bringing up the subject (eg Intelligent Design, which is not logical).

P.P.S Another way to explain it would be the difference between someone who is raised with a Tennis background and someone who is not. The person who is raised to like Tennis might think it's the greatest sport in the world. Whereas the person who is raised without a Tennis background probably doesn't give a stuff who wins Wimbledon, but they don't necessarily hate Tennis. This person is the equivalent of an Atheist.


[edit on 6-5-2007 by Cthulwho]

there is in the new testament that talk about some similar arguments on religion.

man is spiritual whether against or for religion he is spiritual

Originally posted by Lecter
they can be induced by delivering mild electric current to specific spots in the brain. In one woman, for example, a zap to a brain region called the angular gyrus resulted in a sensation that she was hanging from the ceiling, looking down at her body.

Could it be possible that the "zap to the brain" resulted in an actual OOBE and the resulted sesation was actually happening? How can you gauge the travels of the conciousness to dertermine what is sensation and what is actually happening?

The truth is we all want to believe in something, I was very disappointed when I realized there was no God.

What if a woman told you that the island she lived on was created by a being and that he created it all in 6 days and now he is building an even better island now and all she has to do is obey his laws and she can get into the new island otherwise she is doomed. She then tells you his son died and then came back to life and then floated off on a cloud to be with his father and that they can see her at all times and that she is living for the day when she can join them.

Honestly if a woman told you that and you were a psychiatrist she would be locked up. People laugh at the hi-jackers and suicide bombers for believing they are going to have 72 virgins waiting on them in heaven when they do what they believe is the correct thing to do, but a God building a heaven full of streets of gold is just as crazy.

Most people believe what they have been taught as children and just don't want to question it any further, plus a form of fear is imposed into them as children about the fire and sin and brimstone, but once they use pure old simple logic and let go of the fear it is clear what the truth is. A lie told over and over is still a lie. A lie in different forms is still a lie whether it be God with his streets of gold or Allah with his 72 virgins waiting for you, same lie just different versions from different cultures and religion.



[edit on 6-5-2007 by goose]

Originally posted by followerofchrist
if the truth was in front of them (atheists) would they turn there beliefs?

Well yes most would and, as an agnostic, I would as well. However, outside scripture and dubious miracles, there isn't any factual or scientific 'truth'.

Originally posted by followerofchrist
I pray that everyone recieves healing from this thread and i also pray that at least one atheist turns from the sin they are commiting in front of God. I want all atheists to know God loves YOU but not the sin you so commit

Thanks for that. You can keep your 'healing'.
What about us agnostics? Strangely enough you haven't even mentioned the 'other' religions.
Ah well. It's nice feeling like I'm going to be punished for believing in 'a higher power'.

Originally posted by Masisoar
Athiests that believe there isn't a God and those in the religious field that blindly accept a God are in the same boat.

So according to you bald people and brunettes both have head hair?

Originally posted by Masisoar
You find God through science, and by that I'm not talking about a sole man, I'm talking about all that is, in essence.

Gaia hypothesis anyone?

Originally posted by Masisoar
The more into science you begin to understand, the more amazing things are.

Yes. The more 'science' I learn about the closer I'll get to your 'God'.

Originally posted by WOGIT
Well isn't a atheist also forming a belief based on faith , as they have no proof that there isn't a God yet they chose to believe that one doesn't exist ?

No atheism is generally a denouncement of God through logic and rational, not blind faith. That's like the 'believers' who seem to think that evolution, and science in general, is a religion.
Please can any of you here give me real, unquestionable proof of God/Gods?

Originally posted by followerofchrist
i like your testamony it revealed something that is already known man is spiritual whether he is for God or against God in science or against science man is spiritual. and you know its the same way with masons, devil worshippers, all of them they spend all their time either bashing it or pretending

No man is a generally rationalising creature, due to conscious thoughts.
Ancient civilisations used to believe Gods created lightning, floods etc and, due to science, where discovering that either 1. There are logical explanations for everything, or 2. The Debbil's decieving us all.
Also I hardly see how Masons and 'Devil worshippers' are the same, or that either bash/pretend to 'believe'.

When will people learn not to categorize them selves...

I am an individual energy and i look inward for understanding of my existence wetter it stems from this reality or beyond, i don't need no invented concepts to dictate my spirit, i let nature do it's work.

Peace and love is the universal constancy, not a category.



[edit on 6-5-2007 by selfless]

I think that some of you are confusing being a religious (or spiritual) person with being a member of an organized religion. A person can be deeply religious and not be a member of any particular sect.

A person that looks at the world, and says, there must have been a hand to guide all of this creation simply acknowledges the limits of our knowledge as human beings. Maybe we all evolved from a single cell, but how did that cell come to being in the first place?

To conclude that someone who does not believe this is somehow more highly evolved is pure folly, especially when the atheist cannot provide an alternate explanation for the origin of life.

Both groups or brains are limited in knowledge. Religious one because of all mysticism and blind faith, atheist one for ridiculing all things their still limited science cannot measure. Open mind is what you need and if something cannot be measured, it doesn't mean it doesn't exists. Being so limited will only limit you more.