Your first red pill - what was it???

It had to be the total lack of any pilots being able to flip the HIGHJACK switch, which only takes a second. to believe that all EIGHT pilots, not to mention any other personnel, being totally overcome and removed from the cockpits before such a signal could be sent is a smoking gun.

NOT ONE HIGHJACK ALERT SENT !! * pilots, 4 cocpits, ZERO alerts.

There is NO WAY that anyone can say that highjackers could have entered 4 cockpits, subdued tough and determined men, many military men, before any one of them could flip the switch..no way. Impossible. Beyond the bounds of the imagination, odds statistically off the charts.

That is just ONE of how many hundred anomalies? If it were the only one, it would stand as proof of a remote highjacking electronically; as it is, with so many anomalies, it is proof positive of an inside job. To believe odds like that is beyond belief and reason and logic.

NO HIGHJACK ALERT MEANS NO COCKPIT INTRUSIONS. No cockpit intrusions, no highjacking by people. This was a set up, a game played out very well but with many mistakes and anomalies; too many to mark up to anything but collusion and foreknowledge and participation by the shadow govt., Dick Cheney presiding.

Originally posted by brisa
I have continued researching the different aspects of the story and obtained Mike Ruppert's book, "Crossing the Rubicon, the Decline of the American Empire at the end of the Age of Oil." In it he discusses not only the 911 atrocity, but government involvement in the international drug trade and the concept of Peak World Oil production.

Mike Ruppert is not a reliable source for a few things. Most absolutely his "peak oil" hoax. And believe me, it is a hoax, there are so many oil reserves that are just sitting there waiting to be explored, no chance of running out of oil any time soon. But the oil companies who want to get control of the energy and raise the prices at will love Ruppert's theory that the prices will rise, it prepares you mentally for the future oil price hikes for corporate profits.

Truth be told we attacked Iraq because Saddam was just about to have his sanctions lifted and with his latest moves to nationalize his oil productions and transfer all his dealings from the American buck to the Euro currency all indicates he was going to sell oil at full production to Europe with no profits to the American corporate banksters.

This move would have brought down drastically the price of the barrel and would have forced the American corporations to sell their oil for cheaper...... but that never happened since we attacked ..... and of course since that the price at the pump has just risen and risen.

They didn't attack Saddam to steel his oil, they attacked him to make sure he doesn't pump it out and by consequence lowers the price of the barrel.

It's like a coke dealer killing an other coke dealer to take control of the market for himself.

Cheers,
PepeLapiu

Mike Ruppert is not the only proponent of Peak Oil. (The book is a good read and lays out a compelling argument that Dick Cheney was the most likely chief coordinator to the different aspects of the 911 attacks, as well as the simulated hi-jack war games.)....but I digress....Ruppert is joined by several geologists and economists in understanding the unviability of continuing the current world energy use paradigm and meeting the challenges of perpetual demand growth. It is not the amount of "reserves" but how quickly oil can be brought to market and how much energy is expended in recovery. It is a fact that world oil demand continues to grow at about a 1.5 to 2.5% per year. Oil production growth is static.

New oil fields that are found in deep water and politically unstable regions. Iraq is money in the bank for whomever can control exploitation of the last of the low hanging fruit. It's no mistake that we are occupying Iraq until it can be made into a peaceful oil colony of the US and home to large US military bases. The strategy has run into some problems I understand, but the goal is to control oil resources and energy transit choke points.

This is a recipe for ever increasing prices for oil as an energy source and manufacturing raw material (including black top). Oil is, afterall, a finite resource, unless you buy into the Russian theory of oil field replenishment from deep within the earth. The US trade deficit gets worse as energy prices rise, leading to more public debt, emergency money creation and a devaluation of the currency. Which will likely be followed by a steady decline in the standard of living of tens of millions of Americans and a growing underclass of the working poor.

The 911 atrocity was not what it is portrayed to be and the media cover-up indicates to me that something larger is at play here. Journalists have been co-opted by corporate and official pressures under the cover of "national security". I got a chance to watch video of the local reporting from the OKC Murrah Building incident that presented officials from the state and federal level that claimed there were unexploded bombs in the building. By the time the story went national, the cover story was broadcast and it didn't include additional devices.

We are being transformed into a society that can be controlled by the authorities in times of civil unrest and or claimed "national emergency" without regard to our Constitutional Rights.

Is it peak oil? global warming? economic collapse? Hard to say, but surely, there is something serious coming down the pike, and it's not going to be a picnic.

Originally posted by PepeLapew

Originally posted by PapaHomer
If 9/11 was a government job, why do Al Quaeda still, to this day, claim responsibility for it?

I really would like to know where you got the belief that Al Quaeda claimed responsibility for 9/11. Do you have a source for this? To the best of my knowledge nobody ever claimed responsibility for 9/11 and especially not Al Quaeda. Please tell me your source(s) for this belief.

My source for this information would be Osama Bin Laden's Oct 29, 2004 video statment in which he accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. You can find it here since you apparently missed that little gem. Regarding your statements and the the video you referenced regarding the Tower 7 collapse, I still only see a chain reaction collapse due to high heat, which is strangely, exactly what one would normally expect to occur in a high rise structure fire with convected heat causing a weakening of steel and concrete.

Originally posted by PapaHomer
My source for this information would be Osama Bin Laden's Oct 29, 2004 video statment in which he accepted responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.

Why don't you watch him here and tell me in which part of his speech he claims responsibility for 9/11?

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Let's just say that I took the red pill long before 9/11 happened. Before 2001 I had already studied many things including PNAC (Project for a New American Century) and had read their report, etc., along with an understanding of history and many other theories/processes. I knew it was only a matter of time before an internal event took place.

Anyhow, on the day itself, the first indication that it was an inside job was that it even happened. The second was that all the major news networks had screen graphics ready made for the show, and plenty of reporters and cameras ready to go in convenient locations.

The biggest indication was that before the second plane even hit, MSNBC was showing full screen shots of Bin Ladens face and blaming him for it. I watched knowing full well that it was being scripted. I went to campus (was at university at the time) that day to find classes had been canceled and hundreds of people staring at the television sets soaking up the scripts word for word.

The next day during a meditation period I cried briefly in mourning for the dead and in disgust of the perpetrators.

My red pill moment happened in 2003. Prior to that I had been happily asleep, to the extent of dismissing questions about what happened on 9/11 out of hand. I hadn't even watched much of the news footage of the attacks because I found it so disturbing. Because of that, the anomalies were not readily apparent to me until they were forcibly brought to my attention.


The thing that snapped me out of my fog was a flash presentation on a French website about the Pentagon attack. When I saw that the hole that was supposedly left by the aircraft was nowhere near large enough, there was no identifiable wreckage and the Pentagon lawn was left untouched, I was stunned. Quite frankly, it scared the hell out of me. While I am no naif, being very familiar with underhanded behavior by our government, the idea that an act so monstrous could have been perpetrated against us was unimaginably frightening.


After this revelation I refused to look into 9/11 for quite a while. I simply did not want to deal with the implications of such a plot. After a while, however, I came across other evidence that bolstered my suspicions about the role of the government (or some internal political factions) in the events of that day. There was the Project for a New American Century, in which neoconservatives laid out their desire for a new Pearl Harbor attack on American soil to justify the invasion of Iraq. Evidence of controlled demolition at the WTC is especially hard to deny. (Little wonder that the major networks declared a moratorium on replaying the video of the buildings falling soon after the event.) Hijackers were identified, not merely by passports miraculously spared by infernos that supposedly burned hot enough to bring down steel-framed buildings, but by DNA obtained from -- where? Building fell at free-fall speeds, in defiance of logic and the laws of physics. Various individuals, including the mayor of San Francisco, said they were warned by government officials not to fly commercial on 9/11. Five massive terror drills were being conducted by the US military and government on 9/11, including ones that featured simulated hijackings, complete with computer-generated images of hijacked planes on radar to confuse military air traffic controllers. Then there's Project Northwoods to consider. And on and on....


Taken all together, these incongruities and "coincidences" were more than enough to convince me that something, or maybe many somethings, is wrong with the official story about the 9/11 attacks. Believe me, I would far rather have taken the blue pill; that way, I would have peace of mind and no worries regarding the good faith of people inside our government. Having tumbled down the rabbit hole, however, I would prefer that the truth about the monstrous acts on that day come to light, no matter the consequences. Otherwise, we will never be safe. Another 9/11 could happen tomorrow, perpetrated by the same actors, and the media would lead the sheeple to the slaughter again. That is the most chilling thought of all.

1995!!!!

I was a senior in college and learned that big business was all about profit and nothing else. I learned how to use greed and lust to "outsmart" mom and pop shops. By understanding US capitalism, I learned how to kill the poor by starving them to death.

Taking the red pill is very difficult nowadays. Oh how I long for those santa clause years.

On the way to work that morning, the radio indicated some little Cessna or the like struck one of the towers. When I made it to the office, and clicked on the brain wash box, I couldn't figure how anyone could have mistaken the first impact for a small, personal aircraft.

However, "such mistakes do happen" I remember thinking, but was convinced something shady was going on after I watched the buildings fall over and over again. When 7 came down, I wondered how the hell they were going to explain that. Guess it didn't matter as they simply don't.

Pentagon was cloak & dagger from the moment of impact on... as was 93.

My first post here. Herrow!

For those of you that have doubts of explosives being used in these 3 buildings,
please then explain this diagram...
Physics 101
Please don't use pseudo science.
The collapse theory undermines several well known laws of physics. How does 14 floors fall through 96 floors at near free fall speed? NIST does not nor can it explain this because their "report" only covers the event to the initial "collapse". This diagram for me is the ultimate red pill, as well as this entire presentation.

I'll be back.

update... I also meant to add the fact that most of the debris seems to fall outside the building, so you cannot add the weight of this debris to the "pile driver". There. All better.

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I was a late bloomer to 9/11 although the event struck me as odd from the beginning.
My red pill was Loose Change.After watching it, I did as suggested and started researching online. I spent hours going through all of the flights,passenger lists,confirmation of deaths etc. Turns out one pilot is still listed as alive,but that's for another thread.

I've collected a lot of photos and video clips over this past year and I keep looking for the "smoking gun".So far I haven't found one truly smoking gun.

There are so many things that don't add up in the "official" story.

Originally posted by PepeLapew
[Why don't you watch him here and tell me in which part of his speech he claims responsibility for 9/11?

Well in the video you linked to he claimed that he originally got the idea for attacking the World Trade center towers in 1982 when he saw the aftermath of Israeli attacks supported by the US Navy's 3rd fleet. But he still claimed credit that it was an Al Qaeda operation. Thank you for linking to a video that supported my statement. I think it shows real character on your part to reexamine an issue you had with my statement and then upon learning the truth, not only accept my position on the matter, but also to provide further evidence to support me. You, sir, have my deepest respect as one who truly "Denies Ignorance."

Edit: I'm sorry but I can't seem to find the vote for "Way Above Top Secret." When did the mods do away with this?

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Originally posted by PepeLapew
I am curious - what was your first indication on or after 9/11 that something was wrong, that things didn't add up?

When I started having wild visions of code falling over the walls in my study during the presidential inauguation. After the towers were hit, I didn't feel anything while watching the live news. After that my initial impression was that the planes were drones and had been hacked and the NSA didn't want to admit to a security breach and/or computer error.

I know that sounds crazy, but you asked.

Originally posted by PepeLapew
What about you? What was your first red pill? You first indication that things weren't quite as we are being told they are?

Or did you know right away that it was all a lie?

Cheers,
PepeLapew

Well, good question there Pepe.

I can recall that morning as if it were yesterday, as I'm sure anyone here can. I was at college doing my work-study program work in the computer lab. After I finished all of my morning work, I was doing my usual routine of checking CNN.com for any news that might be of interest, but when I tried to go there, the website wouldn't load. At this point, I called home, to kill some time because there was nothing going on, and that's when I found out that an airplane had hit the first tower. This confirmed for me that it wasn't the local internet service that was out.

Then I went and called my immediate supervisor, and asked her if she knew anything about what was going on, and she said that she was watching it on TV. I asked if I could load up the TV in the lab to watch, to which she said yes. As soon as I turned that TV onto CNN, I knew something was up. This was about 10 minutes before the second plane hit. As soon as the second plane hit, I knew something was terribly wrong. This was no accident. It was preplanned, and quite devastating.

So, I hope this gives you a glimpse into how soon I knew about it. I felt the need to recall this as best as I could for history's sake. Best to have it written down somewhere, right? I should also note that a huge number of IMs followed that were all about what was going on. I left there after doing my 4 hours of work that day, and went home to continue watching the news. School was canceled that day; I just happened to be in the lab working at the time.

TheBorg

Like PapaHomer, I've not seen anything that convinces me that our gov't was behind 9/11. Do I think they knew something was in the air? Yes, I do. Everything I've read leads me to that conclusion, but no further. There can be such a thing as too much information, you can't see the forest for the trees, if you will.

NSA, CIA, DIA, and a whole plethora of alphabet agencies, along with various military intelligence organizations, all seemed to have had at the very least an inkling something was up, but didn't put it all together in time. To say that all these people, quite literally tens of thousands, knew and did nothing? A bit farfetched in my opinion.

To reiterate my point. The folks supposed to be in the know, knew something was going down, but not what, nor where. Too much info, and not enough people sorting through the info. Unfortunately, much like the lead up to Pearl Harbour, with much the same result.

The pentagon along with isreali and canadian intelligence, perhaps more, got together, said, how can we seize iraq and afghanistan for our NWO plan? Freedom for iraqi's ..somehow I doubt thats more than a surface intention.

So it seems the pentagon decided to hit itself along with a popular target, the WTC. Perhaps killing the people in the offices, perhaps not.

Interestingly the W T C all represent cryptics for taking mushrooms, and communicating in the pyramid as the infamous aliester crowley did and I defend started this whole mess. I know that right there sounds nuts, but its actually highly plausible in relation to whos doing what today and why.

So basicly im blaming 9-11 on the many generals, president, vice pres. and all those who served the administration, as well as foreign agents and institutions. If America were openly free, and communicative and together, we wouldnt be fighting iraq or afghanistan, we would be indicting foreigners and our own leaders and having a massive world trial of elitists and agents and politicians for subversion, conspiracy, and genocide. And all we wouldve needed to do was drop enough bombs to get the leadership of iraq and spared us the lives spent dealing with the overgrown uneducated killers over there. Because though many iraqis want us there, ask yourself why beyond the nice things were doing for them. They are deceptively nice.

I want them all questioned, truth serum, torture, whatever it takes, no mr. nice guy. Lets show the leaders of this country they are servants, not masters, of freedom. Not Sell out slavery. Grow up schemers, your folly is death.






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Amen!!!!
For sure every time I hear the TV telling me I should surrender yet more of my guns so I can be safer, I go out and buy a new one.
And if they think they can keep a list of the guns I own they are in for a surprise my friends...... hahahaha!

Hmmm, I believe I was in school in 2001, no, I know I was in school at that time. A freshman in hishschool to be exact. Well, I didn't exactly know what was happeneing when I first seen what happened. Shortly there after I was reading about the conspiracies debunking what happened on 9/11. I found out about the possibilities of explosives already set up in the buildings because of how they came down. That was my first clue that something was right.

I come from a completely different path. I got convinced of the cover up of aliens and the NASA taking heavy part in it, so I started wondering what else they were lying about.

Turns out they lie about basically everything. These days its harder to find a truth than a lie.

Originally posted by PapaHomer
Why claim responsibility for a terrorist action you had no part in, if it only serves to give your enemies greater support?

They didn't at first, Homer.

Osama denied responsibility and stated (as you mentioned he should if not responsible) that it WAS the US government.

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks

"The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

CNN

From the full statement he goes on to say:

The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States.

They then later conveniently found a video tape in some village after the invasion where Osama was taking credit for 9/11.

So either it's one is fabricated, or both are real and Osama is simply a ridiculous liar in which case, any claims of responsibility should be disregarded since he could simply be another "John Mark Carr".

You can choose which statement to believe then just know you have more than one.

Most people don't know that.


Back On Topic though:

I never believed the official story from the beginning, even when I was in my office and someone came in and said "turn on the radio!". I did watch as the sentiments of those around me steadily turned into intense fear, then fierce anger. I remember my father saying: "America is going to kick some butt!"

I knew that whomever they claimed responsible regardless of the proof was doomed because we all wanted swift vengeance. I knew this was the plan all along somehow.

I knew right then we were in big trouble.