You People Have All Been Taken For A Ride

Did you see Steven Greer's recent UFO photos? They are here on ATS somewhere. I wont post them for the sake of respect for the logical and rational people of this board and because I'm not trying to insult the intelligence of these people.

When Steven Greer first broke on the scene, he was a very genuine friendly figure who had some form of credibility. He was a former doctor, but not just any doctor. He was an emergency room doctor. He was the perfect representative for anything related to UFO disclosure because he was willing to do the logic and evidence aspect for UFOs.

Many can even argue that he was UFOlogy's last hope for disclosure. I thought if someone can push for disclosure, it would be him when mixed in with all of the other UFO outcasts who try to make money off the profession or just seek attention.

But from the time period of 2005 - now, Greer has taken a U-turn in his ideology and thinking patterns. He has basically tried to dump everything that he has built up. From new age ideas, the last book he wrote, extraordinary claims of SETI, all the way to his recent faulty UFO pictures, he is hurting his own credibility and the credibility of the disclosure project.

Why would he be doing this??? Consider this...Greer has had connections with Laurence Rockefeller before he broke into this UFO phenomenon. The Rockefeller's have had a very bad reputation for control. If anyone is pulling the strings in this world, it is the Rockefellers. I believe Greer was a govt. paid shill from the start. His job was to build up credibility for the disclosure project by funneling credible witnesses and hurt the project later on. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS DONE.

So now you have to ask yourself, who will rally the troops now? Who will be the savior for disclosure? There are many people who still have credibility in this profession. But they have not made any efforts to rally any people together to a cause. All this time, we have just been going in circles. This is one of the best kept secrets of humanity and in order to maintain secrecy, you MUST infiltrate the organizations that are trying to expose you. You must do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING in your POWER to prevent exposure. Give credibility and then take it away is the best tactic.

[edit on 29-4-2007 by crijack]

Well, I'm not into UFology so I don't think I've been taken anywhere, let alone "for a ride."

You might want to reconsider the thread title.

Originally posted by intrepid
Well, I'm not into UFology so I don't think I've been taken anywhere, let alone "for a ride."

You might want to reconsider the thread title.

Then what are you doing moderating the UFO board?

Originally posted by crijack

Originally posted by intrepid
Well, I'm not into UFology so I don't think I've been taken anywhere, let alone "for a ride."

Then what are you doing moderating the UFO board?

I think what intrepid is saying is , How could you know where everyone is at mentally on the topic ?. I for one certainly don't believe everything I read and see. If you feel you've been taken for a ride then fine. But please don't speak on behalf of everyone..

VERY FEW of our members lend Greer any credibility at all. If you actually read the thread on his ridiculous images you'll understand this to be true.

Naturally there are the "True Believer" types who for whatever reason seem to almost need this sort of stuff to be true who will believe anything anyone they perceive as "authoritative" has to say and they are more than welcome to do so.

From what I see on these boards the vast majority of our membership have cast Greer aside since he went "off the deep end" as it were.

Springer...

I agree with what crijack is saying to a point. But I disagree on two issues:

1. "WE" have NOT been taken for a ride. That is a gross assumption that lumps everyone together as patsies. Even a cursory look over these forums shows numerous threads where Greer is discussed and where many people have expressed doubts on Greer's credibility. In fact, many posts do a better job than crijack of explaining just where Greer has issues. They provide links and back up what they are saying. In fact, I would guess crijack has formed his opinion only after perusing what others have said about Greer.

2. The Rockefeller New World Order scenario, again. It's one thing to say Greer has issues and has lost his credibility, but quite another to pin this on Rockefeller control. If you are going to make a statement like that, a little more proof is required. As it stands now, it is unsubstantiated conjecture. It's on the same level as calling a picture of a moth an angelic ET.

So although I agree that Greer has credibility issues and has essentially blown his big chance, there is no proof that he is a plant, did it on purpose, or is controlled by the Rockfellers.

I think it is sad that there is the possibility that we all have been taken for a ride for many years. I am actually starting to believe that the crafts that people see are manmade. We have tons of proof of these lights in the sky, yet we have no proof of Aliens. Soooooo, the logical conclusion is that the crafts are secretly made by us, and fake Alien stories are spread around as disinformation to keep people looking in all the wrong places.

Now I am not saying this is true, just a possibility. If you think about it, there really is NO proof of the existence of Alien beings, only proof of high-tech aircraft. If a bunch of different species of Aliens truly have been coming to our planet for years, we regular citizens would have some kind of tangible proof by now... think about it guys...

Personally I really don't think people are being taken for a ride and though Mr Greer may sit low on the totem-pole of my information gathering, I do credit him with one thing, ie:
His attempt to get Main Media and Government involvement in uncovering the truth.

Dallas

So the whole show is over now?
Damn...

I had no idea they where lying...
I mean all the witnesses and #.

[edit on 29-4-2007 by Ram]

Originally posted by Ram
So the whole show is over now?

Damn...

I had no idea they where lying...
I mean all the witnesses and #.

[edit on 29-4-2007 by Ram]

The show has BEEN over. There STILL has not been any real proof/evidence of Alien life released/discovered. The show is over people. And that statement is true until someone comes forward with some ACTUAL proof... not fairy-tale stories and the usual B.S...

And please do not come with the usual response like "Well the only proof is to experience it for yourself." or "the proof lies in communicating with them telepathically." I am sick of all those worthless excuses for "proof." If all of these nutjobs are really meeting with aliens and hanging out all the time as they claim, then it is not ridiculous at all to assume that they would be able to put together a little photo-album of their experiences, if not an actual video. We would have proof by now if "they" were really here all these years people!

[edit on 29-4-2007 by Diplomat]

Originally posted by crijack
Why would he be doing this??? Consider this...Greer has had connections with Laurence Rockefeller before he broke into this UFO phenomenon. The Rockefeller's have had a very bad reputation for control. If anyone is pulling the strings in this world, it is the Rockefellers. I believe Greer was a govt. paid shill from the start. His job was to build up credibility for the disclosure project by funneling credible witnesses and hurt the project later on. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS DONE.

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if you in fact turned out to be spot on. Those latest pictures were laughable, with simple mundane answers available to all, and five minutes use of Google would show you this.

I agree with Kojak, this Lawrence of Arabia character and
Jermaine Greer are doubtful sources.
The flying saucers have been coming here for years, we've
all seen 'em.

Most nights, from the roof of my trailer, I see them flying
towards La Guardia airport with their damn flashing lights and
their fake aeroplane sounds.
Like dragons across the jewelled sky, (must stay on topic)

With all the stuff here about Mars, Galaxy and The Milky Way,
It's quite obvious that aliens are among us, this site proves it.
FACT.
Snickers.

i don't venture into he UFO aspect of ATS that often , although i do know who Steven greer is, could somebody please post a link the to said images that he has taken us all for a ride with.


thanks in advance

Originally posted by Springer
VERY FEW of our members lend Greer any credibility at all. If you actually read the thread on his ridiculous images you'll understand this to be true.

I was referring to back in the old days when Greer first broke out on the scene. He was given a lot of credibility by many and had a large following. People started jumping ship when he started going off the deep end, which I believe was in 2005. So to whomever that was on the Greer bandwagon in 01 and jumped off in 05 or continued to 07 before jumping off, were in fact taken for a ride. My thread is only speculation as to why Greer did it. And I speculate he was a shill.

Even a cursory look over these forums shows numerous threads where Greer is discussed and where many people have expressed doubts on Greer's credibility. In fact, many posts do a better job than crijack of explaining just where Greer has issues. They provide links and back up what they are saying. In fact, I would guess crijack has formed his opinion only after perusing what others have said about Greer.

I never read the majority of Greer criticisms here. Some were good and some were not. But I can safely bet that Greer had a larger following in 01 and it deteriorated over time. I do know that Greer started having issues during 05 when he brought in his spirtuality new age stuff in the mix, but that wasnt as bad as when he introduced these pictures.

The Rockefeller New World Order scenario, again. It's one thing to say Greer has issues and has lost his credibility, but quite another to pin this on Rockefeller control. If you are going to make a statement like that, a little more proof is required. As it stands now, it is unsubstantiated conjecture. It's on the same level as calling a picture of a moth an angelic ET.

The NWO issue is a subtopic of what is being discussed here. One thing for sure is Greer does have connections to Rockefeller. He even admitted as doing so and being funded by Rockefeller during his UFO adventures. www.virtuallystrange.net...

Now we just have to establish that the NWO is real and existant and that Rockefeller is apart of it. I suggest you look into some NWO documentaries, talk to Alex Jones, and heck even talk to George Bush Senior who coined the term.

In the end you will say, there is no proof positive that the system is being raped, but it really makes you suspicious that Greer has had these connections with Rockefeller this whole time. What interest does Rockefeller have in UFOs? He is a business man. Once again this is my speculation based on what I've read from my research in the past.

here you go www.cseti.org...

Hold on a minute!!

That moth is vertical in the sky - It's above!!?
The photo is taken upwards..



That is a moth flying sideways if it's a moth..

I thought it was a moth because it has that glow around it - I thought the glow was leaves - behind the moth - it's not.
Actually it looks like it's higher than that huge tree to the right.

[edit on 29-4-2007 by Ram]

I think some are too quick to discredit Steven Greer here. My 2 cents.

Originally posted by classified material
I think some are too quick to discredit Steven Greer here. My 2 cents.

I agree.

hmm.... hold on again..

This is weird.

leaves behind it..

It still looks to bright for a bug.
i dunno - as usual. sigh*

God I hate these pictures.

[edit on 29-4-2007 by Ram]

Originally posted by Diplomat


The show has BEEN over. There STILL has not been any real proof/evidence of Alien life released/discovered. The show is over people. And that statement is true until someone comes forward with some ACTUAL proof... not fairy-tale stories and the usual B.S...

What about those ancient drawings of aliens inside caves, pyramids and rocks? How did they know about them back then. I do agree that what most people see are manmade experimental crafts and planes, etc...
I sometimes wonder if Greer and all the others that are fighting for disclosure, was told to hold on now, you're going to fast here. We have a plan for disclosure, but we need to do it our way(government, black ops).
So now Greer took a U-turn to fall out of creditablity for now until it's time. Just a possibilty. But I do laugh at those pictures and the only ride I've been on is life. I don't believe everything I hear, read or see. It's not over until the fat lady sings, now where's that cigar?
Edit to add one word ( about )

[edit on 4/29/2007 by Solarskye]