Originally posted by golddragnet
Why did you say earlier that the nazi's double-crossed the vatican???
Double-cross may be too strong a term admittedly, but it certainly was not of great benefit to the Vatican. The Vatican’s hand was ‘forced’ by
its fear of bolshevism and that the ‘fascists’ would prove no better and ban all religious practice. The Party of course was too wise to do such
a thing. Pacelli was a career diplomat and an outspoken critic of communism before, during and after the war. His personal motivations are more
clouded than the Vatican as a whole and on close inspection he seems to have had more than passing affiliations to the Jesuits.
Those that remained in 1933 were all survivors. The Left was annihilated until not a single leader remained. There was absolutely zero threat of
bolshevism in Germany. Only those in the Right remained, the battle for supremacy amongst these parties could have gone on for years, compromises
were reached. The Reichstag fire manufactured the necessary consents and the Dictator was created. This was only ever meant as a temporary (six
months) arrangement to see them through the ‘Bolshevik crisis’.
We know that Hitler had very powerful backers, he could not have achieved this power on personality alone. Eckhart helped to secure his acceptance
into high society. The Catholics had the support of the Vatican but this was not enough, the ‘people’ did not want a return to what they saw as
baronial rule. Hitler was a man of the people, a common soldier, he was acceptable to the industrialists and aristocracy, they saw the potential to
mould him and for him to prove, to them at least, a benevolent tyrant. When Hitler spoke at twilight assemblies, thousands were bewitched. All the
party faithful at some point or another declared their love for Hitler. But Hitler was the personality of the Party, he was by no means the
brains.
Von Papen was lucky to survive the final cull concealed within the Night of the Long Knives. That he did is probably in no small part due to his
involvement in the signing of the Konkordat. The presence of Rudolf Buttmann, a founding member of the Volkische movement of Bavaria (and possibly of
the Thule Society), hints that von Papen, a papist by name and nature, was not at ease with his own participation in the signing.
Pacelli/Pius XII had strong ties through his service to Bavaria, he may have known Buttmann. There is very little information available on Buttmann
so it is almost impossible to know the significance of his presence. Yet another case of being conspicuous by his absence in official/popular
histories.
Von Papen had assumed control of Prussia the previous year for his “Cabinet of Barons” and governed as “Commissioner of the Reich”. Von Papen
served out the war with some dignity as a diplomat, not what he intended, but by that time it was life or death, that he survived at all is most
likely due to his role in the Konkordat and subsequently in the Anschluss . The Konkordat was a high profile show of alliance between the Vatican and
Germany. With the blessing of Rome, Germany submitted completely and gave themselves to Hitler, their “Saviour”.
With Hitler in power, the Konkordat signed and Vatican subservient to the Reich (see Article 16). Pacelli on the eve of World War II is elected Pope
Pius XII. This was not an easy election and the electorate was said to be not entirely satisfied that he was the right man for the job, but all the
same he was chosen. It is probable that Pacelli was selected because he was seen as having an understanding with Germany and was therefore the best
bet for its own survival. In this way the Konkordat and his alliances within Germany benefited Pacelli. It would be a matter of opinion whether
there was any collusion or design on the part of Pacelli.
What is (almost) certain is that he used his influence at the end of the war to secure passage for some Nazis to Catholic South America. If Mengele
is any case in point this continued for some time after the end of the war. For all it’s ‘neutrality’ a Catholic, of any order, had to swear
alliegance first to the Fuehrer and secondly to the Pope in order to survive persecution. For a German, Hitler was the conduit to god, not the pope.
Where some orders may have struggled with this concept, I believe the Jesuits would have had less difficulty.
While von Papen most certainly dreamed of his crowning as Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope, the aspirations for Hitler were much higher in the Parties
minds – Frederick Barbarossa, who famously declared his supremacy over the Pope. This was the stuff of legends – the holy crusader knight drowned
after a fall from his horse when the Spear of Destiny fell from his hand. Reminiscent of Arthurian legends, he is said to sleep in the Bavarian
mountains waiting for the last raven to leave Germany (similar to the Tower of London legend) when he will wake and save his people. This was to be
the inspiration of the Third Reich and the ‘marketing’ depicts this quite clearly, with Hitler as the crusader knight in shining armour leading
his people to the holy land – in this case the Urals. Hitler took possession of the “Spear” from Vienna following the Anschluss.
Even I as an Illuminati skeptic can see that Bavaria was central to the formation of the Third Reich and Pacelli provides an important link between
Vatican, Jesuits and Bavarian (Illuminati??) aristocracy. Buttmann's presence as ambassador seems very odd; his omission (along with others) from
histories is to say the least, intriguing. Other members of the Volkische/Thule Society like Drexler slipped to obscurity or like Strasser were
culled under cover of the ‘Night of the Long Knives’ (yet another reference to Arthurian legend!!). These ‘trimmings’ were largely influenced
by the financial backers who took exception to their outspoken anti-capitalism. Himmler another Bavarian, took the ideals of the Thule society and
repackaged it into a more profit friendly presentation for his ‘Circle of Friends’. Anti-semitism stayed but was transformed into a
racial/eugenic dislike as opposed to the fear of the Jewish capitalist.
I’ve gone into a lot of detail there (hope you’re still awake?!?), but I wanted to explain my reasoning in full. When Pacelli became Pope
obviously the Vatican fell in line behind him, but in terms of the Konkordat I certainly believe he was acting in his own interests and not those of
the Vatican in general.