Ufo over France, multiple vids/ Update 16MAY2007 (additional Video)

Originally posted by 10538

Originally posted by Palasheea
Well, once again, the video recorder is not coming forward (other than a brief -- hi and bye stop) to talk about his footage so it's obvious that he's hiding something -- duh... lol, I wonder what that could be?
In my book, if they don't want to talk about it then their footage is fake no matter how real it looks.

Can you blame him? "The Coward" is spot on correct. This is the last place to bring ufo video. Too many closed minded idiot kids on this forum. He probably is on another forum where there are more mature people.

What? I thought this thread was quite well discussed actually. Most of the people discussing it had very open minds as to what it could be, and I didn't see any immaturity...

Maybe the recorder thought that we were so good at analysing that we would have busted his story? Maybe he's the immature one.

[edit on 30/4/2007 by malganis]

Let's be a little patient and see if this guy turns up. He didn't have to reply at all so it's at least something.

I just hope he has more footage of the actually moving, if it is a hoax the ultimate mistake they made there was indeed the movement in the ending for a matter of seconds.....hhhmmmm...

So what, we KNOW these things can be faked dont bother stroking your own ego

In most of the fakes you can easily tell by the bad tracking to the background plate. I dont see that in the france videos at all even during extreme shaking.

Originally posted by allMIGHTY
I´m a cg artist, working on feature film projects. Maybe i will create a
faked scene with a camera and an ufo so that we have a reference. I´m familar
with tracking, 3d and lighting so i could give it a shot.

I want to see if you can find out a mask around the edges of the ufo. Really good compositing skills are also necessary to get a realistic result.

I also could try to make an warp effect like in some other ufo vids. xD

I dont want to create and publish a hoax because i´m really against hoax #.
Its should be a reference for figure out hoaxes.

[edit on 27-4-2007 by allMIGHTY]

I just discovered something in the video that at first I thought would prove it to be a fake, but ended up showing that If this is a fake, it's very well done.

I downloaded the video and studied it frame by frame in order to see any form of bad motion tracking which, like the poster above me states, is hard to do right.

Anyway, I noticed that at one point there are only two points of reference in the video, a bird and the UFO. This happens for 5 or 6 frames during the later parts of 23-24 seconds. The idea was to show that the UFO didn't move naturally, according to the bird visibile in the 5 or 6 frames, but for these few frames the UFO moves exactly according to how the camera pans with the bird and the surroundings.

Not saying he couldn't have easily noticed this himself and made the proper adjustments in order to make the fake seem more plausible, just saying that if it's a fake, it's my belief that it's very well done.

To download the video yourself and have a look, use www.downloadyoutubevideos.com... and Media Player Classic, pause the video at 23 seconds and use the right key to skip forward, frame by frame in order to see what I'm talking about.

Did you guys see the additional video of the poster?




I think that says it all....

This is his comment:

bonjour ! - thank you all for your sharing i am sorry i wasn't concentrated enough to shoot longer footage ; but here is the good news: i just posted a new footage of a flying object i taped on the same location - I do not know if it has any connexion with the present videos, still thought it was worth sharing as it happened 1 night after (in "more from this user") - sorry if I am not answering all the private messages, I am just getting a lot, nothing personal

www.youtube.com...

It says "it all" how..? I don't mean to be rude, but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. It's perfectly natural to be curious of UFOs the day after you see one. My friend even thought he saw a UFO the day after I told him about my experiences, but it turned out to be Venus. If you ask me, nothing about his next video implies... well anything! Either it's a UFO or it's a star...

Anyway, I'm analyzing the other movies now.. though I have to say the compression makes it hard. =/

[edit on 1-5-2007 by Drexon]

I wasn't being sarcastic. First of all it is already difficult to see one UFO in a lifetime assuming they exist. So now he saw two on one single day? Please! It seems to me that he is seeking more attention to the replies he first got. He is even saying "I hope you will appreciate that this time I filmed it for a longer while"

He is saying that this is a UFO. Well you can't see anything. Could be a star though. The last week or so I also see a very bright star every night which is very close and moving quite fast. Don't know what it is but it also shatters like this in his video. Seems to me that he is seeking attention. I saw on the early comments on youtube that a lot of people asked to come forward here. Why isn't he doing that. If you filmed something so exited you would want to talk about it everywhere....

I was very exited about the first video, I still am, because it looks very good done.

[edit on 1/5/2007 by rai76]

I'm sorry, but the way I see it there's nothing suspicious about the second video. As to why he hasn't yet joined ATS, well.. is it a requirement for him to do so..? As far as we know he could have a full time job, kids, wife and just decided to throw this up on YouTube.

We can't place blame because of purely circumstantial 'evidence', such as "Oh, he stopped filming once it got interesting, so it must be fake".

[edit on 1-5-2007 by Drexon]

Ok, coursange (the guy with the initial video) just replied. Hopefully he'll join us or at least give us a higher quality video. I know that's what I'm eager to see.

sorry for not answering to everyone - i actually get way more messages than i got time to answer - my apologizes — i also would like to apologize for not having been smart enough to tape more of what i saw : this is pretty much all i got

actually, when you see something like this, it is quite tempting to just try to understand it with your own eyes rather than through a viewfinder - i guess that's what happened, i wasn't thinking of posting it on youtube or anything... but i promise next time i will have a tripod ready... well... if next time there is... and again, sorry for not being able to answer to everyone in this thread, private messages and other websites - i'll still do my best

..a pretty good vid! Looks and feels real, no CGI aftertaste, but I'm no expert on this.

Maybe we can get some triangulation on where the vids where taken so we can get a handle on how big this thing really was.

Yes, this video is definately a milestone. It has two video responses showing the same object from other southern France locations. Also mentioned is the fact that this same object was sighted by two different British airline pilots on two different flights over the coast of France on the same day.

www.ufocasebook.com...

[edit on 4-5-2007 by 10538]

Just tried some analysis of the three videos, that I'm assuming people think are of the same object.

The first vid looks very real and I don't see any obvious CG or other tricks (strings etc). The object looks non-metallic (there is no specular at all) and it looks like a tilted bulged disk.

The second one (with sunset) is not very interesting as it is easy to fake (its only a black silhouette) and there are no close ups and its very short.

Third one is completely fake, imo. you can see a 'border' around the ufo in pic#7, which suggests that it was drawn and then filled up with approx same color. The fill is flat, no shading.
Second, you can see in #6 that the hill is sloping to the left and in #5, which is the last frame of the vid where the camera accidentally pans downwards, you can see that the hill is different, it has no slope, even the lighting is different. Even if zoomed, we should see at least a bit of slope, which is not there.

So, I think there is a good possibility that these 3 vids were taken/faked at different times and are of different objects. The first one still sounds very authentic, but we have negatives...... like, there is no news coverage, even though it was there for hours and no one tried to drive near it to have a closer look.


Edit:
There is a big problem with these ufo shooters, they don't come forward and provide their raw footage. On youtube you can only see bare minimum.

[edit on 4/5/2007 by rocksolidbrain]

rocksolidbrain> I like your comparison, but I don't think it's 'proof' of anything unless you can show my similar footage with similar CG errors. For all we know it can be a simple camera fault, nothing's certain.

As for the sloping... what? It's not possible for the UFO to move? I also noticed that the UFO in the last frames is in a different place than previously.. but that only means that he's changed location..?

Oh, and I sent you a U2U, read it before you reply please.

Originally posted by Drexon
rocksolidbrain> I like your comparison, but I don't think it's 'proof' of anything unless you can show my similar footage with similar CG errors. For all we know it can be a simple camera fault, nothing's certain.

As for the sloping... what? It's not possible for the UFO to move? I also noticed that the UFO in the last frames is in a different place than previously.. but that only means that he's changed location..?

Oh, and I sent you a U2U, read it before you reply please.

Well I agree about the sloping thing, the video has two cuts, so in the last shot it must have moved.

Lets hope the person posts original footage, so that it can be confirmed as a REAL ufo.

Regards
RSB

So the first french video hasn't been debunked here on ATS yet, interesting.

As to so many questions here as to why was this object not followed..when you catch something on film you cannot identify & post it ,then most of times critics/non-critics alike rag that person..and it gets debunked 90% of times ..someone will always come with their "tech specs" on equipment used for recording & the person involved only knows what model cam/recorder he has (i.e: most of people do not know their camera tech details to the tee)..not the finer details on specs..so now the person who captured such footage who don't have too much savvy on the technical side of equipment must try & argue with people who knows camera's/recorders inside out..

Of course the more knowledgeable/clued up on equipment will out talk the average joe who took a film/pic,even if a hundred people witnessed it ,it all comes down to hearsay to the critic ..

I think sometimes people who have caught something unidentified on film knows inside their heart what they saw even if they get ragged...

Some pics/vids are pure fake ..even to the untrained eye ,there i do agree..

The only time i will ever post a pic/film anywhere this day is when that aliencraft lands in my yard curt my one arm of,chip me and i get a posed smile photo with them ..(nah i'll run as fast as i can)..but i will bet my other arm it will still be debunked by some.

The video is quite interesting,that object was stationary ..or moving extremely slow as you can see when zoomed in how shutterspeed the "object" was difficult to get in view as it was jumping around with a steady hand (equipment zoom) but not the best equipment.Any stationary object will jump around on film when you zoom in on it ..take a 3-5mp cam phone and rec the brightest star then zoom in on it,then you'll see how that star jumps,the slightest hand movement makes jump out of view..but who always have a tripod handy/ready?..esp amateurs ..



[edit on 6-5-2007 by qonone]

I hope the people who shot these videos will forward the original, uncompressed data so we can have two of the top video experts on the planet, David Biedny and Jeff Ritzmann have a look at it.

Do a Google search on David Biedny if you have any questions about who this man is.

Jeff Ritzmann is already very well known here.

Springer...

The first video in this thread gave me goosebumps when I first viewed it. Could have something to do with my own sightings of 2 triangles 2 years ago ... something about this video rings true to me -- perhaps a familiarity of some sort? - but for whatever it's worth, I felt it right away.
Anyway, I can't put my finger on what it is about it, but now just looking at it again, I had the same response.
Looking forward to what Jeff and Dave say about it!

Some news. Me and rocksolidbrain have been discussing the footage when I thought I stumbled upon what I (again) thought proved, or at least pointed in the direction of the first video being fake, when rocksolidbrain corrected me, more or less, (again) showing the exact opposite. Not before I had a chance to correct my mistake though, minutes later I noticed the same effect on a nearby tree.

During the final moments of the first clip you can see something of a white halo around the object. I thought that this was evidence that it was a hoaxed video, but as it turns out rocksolidbrain pointed out that this does indeed show a camera artifact that happens when there's high contrast in between areas, apparently it even happens with our eyes but I'll let rocksolidbrain explain that one.

This in turns means that, well I gotta be honest, so far we've got nothing on this being a hoax, and the more we study the video, the more apparent that it's real it becomes! Keep an eye out for this thread, folks. It's going places.

Where is this place again? I am touring France from May 25-June 15. I'll try and make a point to get to the location.