What threats do SS's pose

Intrepid is is not about equality, it is about the right of free assembly.
We reserve the right to assemble with only those we choose, only those who meet our standards. It is about personal liberty.

Here is to us and those like us !



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Originally posted by RWPBR
Intrepid is is not about equality, it is about the right of free assembly.
We reserve the right to assemble with only those we choose, only those who meet our standards. It is abour personal liberty.

Here is to us and those like us !

Free for who? Who decides this? I'm sure Masonry isn't only in the US, where they have such "rights". What about the rights of French, German, Thai, Singalese people? Do those people have "free assembly"?

Um, OK! THIS might be the problem.

We reserve the right to assemble with only those we choose, only those who meet our standards,

So now YOU guys are judges as to character? Theology? Spirituality?

Originally posted by RWPBR
Here is to us and those like us !



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That's an interesting statement. Care to explain it?

Yes they do. These are God given rights, endowed by the creator and inalienable.

Originally posted by RWPBR
Yes they do. These are God given rights, endowed by the creator and inalienable.

Sorry, you obviously missed my earlier post that said that the GAOTU is a matter of faith, not something to base anything on as it's unprovable.

Originally posted by intrepid

We reserve the right to assemble with only those we choose, only those who meet our standards,

So now YOU guys are judges as to character? Theology? Spirituality?

Yes we are judges of character, arent we all ?
Do you choose your friends based on character ?
Do you vote based on character ?
Should the Masons be expected to do less ?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by RWPBR
Yes they do. These are God given rights, endowed by the creator and inalienable.

Sorry, you obviously missed my earlier post that said that the GAOTU is a matter of faith, not something to base anything on as it's unprovable.

OK call then natural rights, human rights. Free speech and assembly are natural human rights and as such can not be taken away.

Originally posted by RWPBR

Originally posted by intrepid

We reserve the right to assemble with only those we choose, only those who meet our standards,

So now YOU guys are judges as to character? Theology? Spirituality?

Yes we are judges of character, arent we all ?

To what end? To who we'll speak to? Interact with? I'm sure of this answer, don't stress it.

Do you choose your friends based on character ?

No, I don't. I also take into account personal interests. That being said, there are those that share interests with me that I couldn't care less about. Your point?

Do you vote based on character ?

Sorry, missing the point here. Are you saying that you would vote for a Mason that you didn't trust but he happened to be a "brother"?

Should the Masons be expected to do less ?

The jury's out on this imo.

Originally posted by RWPBR


OK call then natural rights, human rights. Free speech and assembly are natural human rights and as such can not be taken away.

Um, NO. They are American amendments, granted only in the US(let's ask an Indonesian Mason about this). Masonry however is international, as I understand. That was a helluva back peddle though.

Ok so if someone is a criminal low life BUT likes the same bands as you or the same movies etc then you guys will be buds ?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by RWPBR


OK call then natural rights, human rights. Free speech and assembly are natural human rights and as such can not be taken away.

Um, NO. They are American amendments, granted only in the US(let's ask an Indonesian Mason about this). Masonry however is international, as I understand. That was a helluva back peddle though.

So non americans dont share the same rights as we do ?
I think you may be confused as to what a right is. A government may restrict a right but that does not mean you are not entitled to it by virtue of being a human being.

BTW the U.S. Constitution does not grant any right to the people, it only confirms that they exist.

Originally posted by RWPBR
Ok so if someone is a criminal low life BUT likes the same bands as you or the same movies etc then you guys will be buds ?

Sorry, best response I could come up with to that question.

Originally posted by intrepid

Do you vote based on character ?

Sorry, missing the point here. Are you saying that you would vote for a Mason that you didn't trust but he happened to be a "brother"?

No just the opposite.

Should the Masons be expected to do less ?

The jury's out on this imo.

Why should Masons not have the same rights as everyone else ?

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by RWPBR
Ok so if someone is a criminal low life BUT likes the same bands as you or the same movies etc then you guys will be buds ?

Sorry, best response I could come up with to that question.

If somebody had low or disreputable character BUT shared interests with you you still might choose to be friends with him ?

Originally posted by RWPBR
So non americans dont share the same rights as we do ?
I think you may be confused as to what a right is. A government may restrict a right but that does not mean you are not entitled to it by virtue of being a human being.

Question is Masonry international? Yes? Guess what? The constitution doesn't gaurantee anyone in Oz, Brazil, Iceland, etc SQUAT. Human being doesn't equate to US citizen. Are you saying that the US is going to go to war to give these people the rights that US citizens have? They may not want those rights.

BTW the U.S. Constitution does not grant any right to the people, it only confirms that they exist.

Maybe that's what the BOR was for.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by RWPBR
So non americans dont share the same rights as we do ?
I think you may be confused as to what a right is. A government may restrict a right but that does not mean you are not entitled to it by virtue of being a human being.

Question is Masonry international? Yes? Guess what? The constitution doesn't gaurantee anyone in Oz, Brazil, Iceland, etc SQUAT. Human being doesn't equate to US citizen. Are you saying that the US is going to go to war to give these people the rights that US citizens have? They may not want those rights.

BTW the U.S. Constitution does not grant any right to the people, it only confirms that they exist.

Maybe that's what the BOR was for.

A: The BOR just confirms additional rights not mentioned in the main body of the Constitution also exist.

B: Regardless of nationality all humans have and deserve certain rights by virtue of birth. Just because you have a right you may choose not to exercise it.

Masonry is international and believes that all humans have the same rights. Just because a government say you dont have a right doesnt mean that you dont.

Originally posted by RWPBR


Why should Masons not have the same rights as everyone else ?

Did I say they should have less?

That doesn't answer corsig's question: "What threats do SS's pose."

He posed this, not me. I just probed it.

2 things I noticed

The Masons here are VERY defensive, even when they are inadequate. Hell, I didn't even have to whip my debate cape off to do this. I'm disappointed.

2: You guys aren't learning ANYTHING. Again disappointed. If you guys are just here to defend the Craft, why? There's plenty of sites out there for you. Hell, I'm a Maple Leaf's fan. Taking serious hits on that one. Not losing sleep over it though.

Anyway, to get back on topic, Masons have the right to choose who the associate with and to keep their business and rituals secret the same as any individual does.

Originally posted by RWPBR
Anyway, to get back on topic, Masons have the right to choose who the associate with and to keep their business and rituals secret the same as any individual does.

That's the topic? Um no. This is the topic:

"What threats do SS's pose."

You guys asked, caught me in a debate mode and the rest is history. Really disappointed in the reaction though. Ya'll gotta debate better.

Although I can be and have been defensive when my Brothers are slandered and liebeled, in this thread I have just answered your questions.

I am not only to defend Masonry. I post in other forums as well.
I am a skeptic by nature and like to piont out lies and half truths when I see them and in this forum I see a LOT of them. If this forum is not about Masonry then why do they use the Masonic Square and Compass as the forum logo ?