The Third Stage

Originally posted by souls
So then, it would be your choice to die. When were the people who died asked whether or not they wanted to, to let everyone else enjoy the same beutiful earth? You say 3000 but I look at the Millions who have died throughout history ensuring our security? Are you active military?

No[I have never been in the military or worked for any government agency infact I am but 21 and seeking the truth], and in fact I hated the government until I started reading more about their agendas. I followed Alex Jones and you U2U me I will provide you with my myspace and it clearly does not support my views stated today.

Also, you couldnt ASK 9/11 victims if it was cool to kill them because it would render the whole point of killing them useless.

I do not rejoice on their deaths. In fact, I hold extremely high regards for each victim and family. This was tragic loss of our innocent civilians but the toll would have been higher if defense trends kept declining.


I forgot to ask this but has everyone thats been on my case even ACTUALLY READ 'Rebuilding America's Defenses'?

Regarding my myspace I only have 2 pictures of me and in the one I am actually wearing a shirt that says "Peace can not be kept by force, It can only be achieved through understanding."...



Ironic...

Surely, im not on your case, I just have questions. I have not read the entire thing, but have read summaries and I have scanned through most of it as well. Like I have stated, building a good defense is crucial, but what good is a defense if we are not working at it from all angles? What good is a defense if not everyone has a say in it? What good is a defense if the world you are living in is being destroyed?

"Truth passes three stages".

This is because the mind is resistant to change, and i mean physically. Memories/thought-patterns/skills/etc are like physsicaly constructs in the brain. So when you present someone this sort of info, even one who could be generally said to be open minded, it challenges their pysical brain. And this is before we even get into issues like learned attitudes and so on. Furthermore, even if they're persuaded into believe you/it/whatever, their brain wont even quite make the hardwiring changes until at least the first nights sleep. This science applies to basically anything 'memory' related.

In short, neuroscience backs up that priceless quote.



The other thing I'd like to add on is the PNAC clip that lists 2 items that have come true.

I actually did something like that about a year ago, but I took about 20 itmes of reference, about 20 of their predictions. So many have come true almost exactly as they predidcted that I cynically refer to that document as "prophecy'.

Check out my writeup here . I could actually do it a bit better today, but that thing is pretty solid, and may it serve you as a tool. My new video and it's resource page also adds to that greatly. Although its not PNAC specific, it take scare of (and more) a crucial item or 2 on the list that i seem to have forgotten to take care of in that old post (that stupid myspaces blog panel wont let me edit now):
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 18-4-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Check out my writeup here . I could actually do it a bit better today, but that thing is pretty solid, and may it serve you as a tool. My new video and it's resource page also adds to that greatly. Although its not PNAC specific, it take scare of (and more) a crucial item or 2 on the list that i seem to have forgotten to take care of in that old post (that stupid myspaces blog panel wont let me edit now):
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nice writeup on the PNAC ignoranceisntbliss. Most people don't even know what the PNAC is or was or will be. It boggles the mind and is extremely scary to think how many other documents similar to the pNAc exist and are being implemented as I write this.

[edit on 18-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Am I wrong or is Watchful1 and those inflamed by his statement of one of the obvioius rationals behind 9/11, merely saying the same thing? There is no disagreement concerning the majority of information presented in the video. I think it is safe to assume that most all that read these threads agree, that the goverment has lied to us and is involved in some way.

Most just don't like to hear the point of view from which Watchful1 is agruing. Hell, he may not even really believe it, that is not important really. What is important is this: Those that created "Rebuiding America's defenses" DO BELIEVE IT!! And if they happen to be in positions of power in our country, then we had better pay attention to what they are saying.

Again let me repeat, because it bears repeating. "It doesn't matter if you believe in their agenda, what matters is that THEY DO!"

quote: Originally posted by Souls;I too see the bigger picture. But, the same goal can be achieved without sacrifices. There is always an alternate option.

That is a utopic view point. But, one which I whole-heartedly support. There is an alternate option, a very good one, but not one the majority of humans are capable of carrying out, unless and until their existing paridigm is shattered.

9/11 may have moved many of us closer to the new paridigm.

quote: Orginally posted by Souls;
First. Why would the government take it upon themselves to shield everyone from a "bigger truth"? Why the need to control? To "protect" the people? Because we are too stupid and weak to help out? Inferior? The need for "rebuilding our defenses" is crucial in preventing future and impending dangers. Why would we not understand this? That is the way a democracy works. It is set on the table, and everyone takes a look at it then decides. Why so much secrecy? To prevent people from falling into depression? Because the big picture is too gruesome? I can't accept that because humans died in the exchange of saving others from future threats. Why did they not a have say in this? Who is anyone to think that they are "decider"? That it is best for anyone? I want the big picture no matter how gruesome it is.

If you have to ask why the government (any government) wants to hide the bigger truth, or control information, then your not really ready to hear the answer to that question. But then you did say "I can't accept that..."
Right or wrong, good or bad, all moral judgements aside, nobody will ever accept the greater truths unless they are willing to let go of existing truths.

[edit on 18-4-2007 by Red_Dog_BOM]

[edit on 18-4-2007 by Red_Dog_BOM]

Originally posted by souls
What good is a defense if the world you are living in is being destroyed?

You might want to reverse that question:

"If the World we are living in is being destroyed, is it worth defending?"

quoted orginally by Watchful1:
American soil as produce American ideologies. Defending our homeland is the key to a stable America, which is an inadvertent global peacekeeper. All these great ATS members who can help the world are as good as dead and useless if we can not defend this abode of ours...

My advice to you Watchful is to look beyond "American ideologies", The picture is most likely bigger. Defending our homeland is the key to a stable Planet.
We are in a catch22. We have become by design or by accident (yeah right the global peacekeeper. We are in a position of power, and most other countries governments fear us. Once they stop fearing us, we will be in big trouble. As a giant bear, surrounded by hungry wolves, if we show any weakness to these enemies, we are as good as dead. One does not rule from a position of weakness.

If there are countries who are looking to bring about the end of the WORLD because that is the religious paridigm they believe in, should the power brokers that control America do anything to slow or prevent this? Would they? Even if it meant blowing up the WTC?

[edit on 18-4-2007 by Red_Dog_BOM]

Originally posted by Red_Dog_BOM
My advice to you Watchful is to look beyond "American ideologies", The picture is most likely bigger.

The problem Red_Dog is that I have looked beyond and as of this moment can not express with words the reality I feel.



Like I said eariler, watching the 'Transformers' trailer caused me to tremble.


If, like Pink Floyd said, "all you do and all you see is all your life will ever be" it then follows that you can not express or comprehend realities beyond your personal scope.


Maybe this twisted position we are in as a global species has too many vital pieces missing for the general public to actually get.

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[edit on 18-4-2007 by Caustic Logic]

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
"Truth passes three stages". [...] neuroscience backs up that priceless quote.

I'm sure that's correct, and well worth considering.

Speaking of neuroscience, checked your blog and that video... curious where'd you get that, who made it? It's amazing... oops see credits at end of 2 min video. But that's too long to wait!!!

I actually did something like that about a year ago, but I took about 20 itmes of reference, about 20 of their predictions. So many have come true almost exactly as they predidcted that I cynically refer to that document as "prophecy'.

I'll have to keep reading
I like the little color graphic halfway down. Looks familiar Actually 'cause I made it



[edit on 18-4-2007 by Caustic Logic]

[edit on 18-4-2007 by Caustic Logic]

Originally posted by Watchful1

The problem Red_Dog is that I have looked beyond and as of this moment can not express with words the reality I feel.

This is what tells me that you are closer to the truth. I call this "skirting the edges of madness". For you must be willing to question the very reality you've always beleived in. Then you begin to see some of those missing puzzle pieces. Then the insane, makes some sense.

Like I said eariler, watching the 'Transformers' trailer caused me to tremble.

I hate to admit, I've felt the same thing. I also get the feeling that the timbre and tone of the recent past year of movies and television is attempting to prepare us for a reality shift. But then, I'm the first to admit I can be too paranoid for my own good.

If, like Pink Floyd said, "all you do and all you see is all your life will ever be" it then follows that you can not express or comprehend realities beyond your personal scope.

This I don't believe. The realm of human consciousness is where we can tap into that 95% of our brain we normally don't use, This lies within each of us, but remains hidden to our personal realtivity. Its like a big hand in front of our face, the hand contains the truth, but is too close for us to see from our current perspective. Consciousness, afords us a vehicle to move to another perspective. These frightening realities are not so much beyond our personal scope, as they are too close. We are within them. Comprehension comes with time, wisdom and perspective.

Maybe this twisted position we are in as a global species has too many vital pieces missing for the general public to actually get.

They get only what those in the know, want them to get and no more.

Originally posted by Caustic Logic

Speaking of neuroscience, checked your blog and that video... curious where'd you get that, who made it? It's amazing... oops see credits at end of 2 min video. But that's too long to wait!!!

I like the little color graphic halfway down. Looks familiar

Actually 'cause I made it

Which video? Either of the 2 linked in my sig here (below)?

I think it came up in google images. I have so many thousands of images I cant even keep track of them let alone where I got them all. Dig.

Originally posted by Red_Dog_BOM

Originally posted by Watchful1

The problem Red_Dog is that I have looked beyond and as of this moment can not express with words the reality I feel.

This is what tells me that you are closer to the truth. I call this "skirting the edges of madness". For you must be willing to question the very reality you've always beleived in. Then you begin to see some of those missing puzzle pieces. Then the insane, makes some sense.

You guys should check out my various works, starting with the first truth!

Originally posted by Red_Dog_BOM
What is important is this: Those that created "Rebuiding America's defenses" DO BELIEVE IT!! And if they happen to be in positions of power in our country, then we had better pay attention to what they are saying.

Again let me repeat, because it bears repeating. "It doesn't matter if you believe in their agenda, what matters is that THEY DO!"

Why? There are tons of people in this world who are smart enough to comprehend the things that are coming to us. I would like to believe in their agenda also. Let me see what it really is. No matter how gruesome it is.

If you have to ask why the government (any government) wants to hide the bigger truth, or control information, then your not really ready to hear the answer to that question. But then you did say "I can't accept that..."
Right or wrong, good or bad, all moral judgements aside, nobody will ever accept the greater truths unless they are willing to let go of existing truths.

Of course I have to ask. I don't know and I really would like to know. I have an idea as to why they would do it. Common sense gives me an "educated guess". But deep down I really don't know. And everyone should know.

You might want to reverse that question:

"If the World we are living in is being destroyed, is it worth defending?"

Of course. As of now, this is the only one we have.

Originally posted by Watchful1
like Pink Floyd said, "all you do and all you see is all your life will ever be"

This is true for people who's in the earlier stages of life cycles.

When you awake, your consciousness is connected beyond this reality and allows you to have goals and motivations in this reality that affects your existence beyond this realm. This means you are not limited to the physical experience and physical consciousness but receptive to infinite frequencies and eternal consciousness.

Everyone will go through this process, it's the natural progression of the soul.

Remember that when pink floyd makes a song, it has a theme and the lyrics will follow that theme.

Originally posted by souls
Why? There are tons of people in this world who are smart enough to comprehend the things that are coming to us. I would like to believe in their agenda also. Let me see what it really is. No matter how gruesome it is.

Its not really about being smart enough, and I don't mean to be sarcastic, but I'm flashing on that new TV show called "Are you smarter than a 5th grader". I cannot make the determination as to the question, `can you handle the truth'. It is similar to asking the question of an enlightened being, `is there a god, and what is my purpose?'. The answer you get is not the one you want or expect, but its the one you need. "The answer is within you". Look within and you will find the answers you seek. Nobody can really tell you any of these greater truths.

Of course I have to ask. I don't know and I really would like to know. I have an idea as to why they would do it. Common sense gives me an "educated guess". But deep down I really don't know. And everyone should know.

In fact, `deep down', you really do know, and everyone knows. Haven't you ever had an experience where you've discovered something so damn simple you wonder afterwards, how the heck you could have missed it?? That is where you need to look.

You might want to reverse that question:

"If the World we are living in is being destroyed, is it worth defending?"

Of course. As of now, this is the only one we have.

Is it? You sound very certain of that.

Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by Watchful1
like Pink Floyd said, "all you do and all you see is all your life will ever be"

This is true for people who's in the earlier stages of life cycles.

When you awake, your consciousness is connected beyond this reality and allows you to have goals and motivations in this reality that affects your existence beyond this realm. This means you are not limited to the physical experience and physical consciousness but receptive to infinite frequencies and eternal consciousness.

Everyone will go through this process, it's the natural progression of the soul.

This is a better way to say what I intended. This is where the truth and true power of human beings lies. Its all about the frequencies man!

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