98% sure Hostile Aliens dont exist.(or if they do they most certainly dont have interstellar travel

Originally posted by Haus33

The history of Alien contact goes back thousands of years. Some say millions of years.
People from other planets have visited us and continue to visit us. They observe us as we observe the tribes of tribes of Papua New Guniea.They are expeditions.They will have the equivalent of scientists , botanists , geologists & anthroplogists etc etc. They are interested in us. They are milenia ahead of us and have been visiting us for milenia.

I can understand the possibiltes of thousands of years ago, but millions, how could there be any proof millions of years ago short of a crashed UFO? We were just emerging as a species then, we would have no written or oral history on this.

If EBE people from other planets wanted our planet , they would have conquered and exterminated us when we were merely cave men.

What if the aliens had not yet discovered Earth until more recently? And now they are here and want to destroy us?

They do not need us for slaves. If they can travel through worm holes or dimensions to other planets or galaxies or even universes they would definately have the technology to dig metals or minerals out of the ground totally without the need of humans.

How could you possibly know anything about the aliens, their wants and needs? Or their technologies? Unless you have some documents that no one has, which is highly unlikely.

Why would they abduct people? Mostly from America? Its much easier for them to abduct aborigines or Africans....there are billions of Chinese to abduct. Why would Aliens mutilate Cattle mostly in the USA? Why not take them from Africa ? They have the technology to grow cattle gentically .

Maybe there are more people in the states who like to get their 15 minutes of fame by making claims to the local media?

As for everything else, this is regarding all ufo reports, perhaps they are all false and all made up? But the fact of the matter is, there are aliens out there, there has to be, and that on its on is truly amazing. Not just one alien civ, perhaps millions in the universe.

Originally posted by Mayan2012
Did you just say that Dying was evil???


ROFL !!!!!!! im literally rolling on the floor with my laptop right now laughing So friggin hard !! lol


Yea dude Dying is evil....and i suppose living on this god forsaken planet is evil too right? Cuz i mean hell if dying is natural , just like how planets are formed and how things are born is natural....then i guess that must be evil too? right? its only logical that things like DEATH are natural phenomena,just as BIRTH is a natural phenomena Are EVIL !!!! hahaha.


and i didnt know Stars that die is Evil either ......i guess the whole universe is evil because stars are being formed all the time and stars die all the time.

yea, No, Dont think so buddy.


But nice try

-Mayan

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Oh my...

That you live in a universe where death is imperitive, makes the universe you live in evil. Death is not a natural phenomena anywhere else but in the material universe. Death is imposed upon you here. And you chose to be here.

Mayan also said:
"Yea dude Dying is evil....and i suppose living on this god forsaken planet is evil too right?"

In your own words: "God forsaken planet..."

Funny humans actually believe that a Father/Mother God created a universe in which His own children would forget that He is their Father. Where a man will actually make this statement:

"its only logical that things like DEATH are natural phenomena,just as BIRTH is a natural phenomena Are EVIL !!!!"

Imagine you are God, or some great genetic manipulator creating beings. What kind of creator would send his children off to die? But of course this sounds logical to you my friend, bereft of any sense what-so-ever, roling on the floor laughing at your own ignorance, assuming you've zingered me. It's really quite amazing.

Birth an death IS logical to Evil, because the light in you, is required to maintain this illussory universe we live in. So, be fruitful and multiply my friend, and bring more beings into this prison to suffer, you cruel, and heartless father.

And you doubt that Aliens would want to destroy you?

Originally posted by aaronman

Originally posted by eyespy2
For them, screams, agony, pleading for mercy gives them a veritable hard-on. Only thing keeping them at bey, is the Good. For now.

I enjoyed this post, but how could we be so certain that alien emotions would be like ours, i'm just saying that it makes perfect sense for humans but maybe not so much for aliens, but then again it could very well act the same way, in terms of knowing what good and evil are.

Sorry it took so long to answer this. If you noticed, I said "incarnated into human bodies..."

Alien consciousness in a human body is like a vacation from their staid reality, especially if the alien consciousness doesn't get too caught up in the illusson. In a human body, they can be human, without really being a human, just to experience all the joys of sex, torture, screams of agony, pleading for mercy and the like.

You see, the original humans on this earth, actually were quite peaceful and simple beings. Basically all they did was eat food that was readily available (vegitables and fruits) screw, hang out until the sun went down, and then sleep.

It wasn't until a few alien races discovered earth on their sojourns through space that things got interesting. The first humans were like children, except for the screwing, and easily impressed with alien toys. The alien's on the other hand, really dug the humanoid bodies built for pleasure and pain.

Once they figured out how to swap their consciousness, or even share a human body with the original conscious being occupying it, they began to really get busy optimizing the pleasure principal. Soon earth was like an alien ammusment park. They could come here, be human, and actually kill without any repercussions what-so-ever. They could rape women, and men. The were putting it anywhere it could fit. In animals, children... It was decadence as has never been seen on this planet or any other planet in the universe.

So a lot of what we take as human emotions, slavery, and the violence towards each other, the eating of animals, the domination of women on this planet was actually learned and then passed down gentically from various aliens races.

Here's how different things were, human women were the most respected, and most wise beings on this planet, until the alien invasion. We're talking 300,000 years ago.

Also aaronman, that you believe this is all there is, is well, part of your alien programing, and the programing associated with living in the material universe. These bodies are merely shells, which contain our spiritual consciousness. Aliens understand this, and have programed you to forget, where your true home is. They prefer that you remain stuck in this relm of birth and death, so that your light - the spark in you from the True Light Source, can be used as an energy source to keep the illussion humming.

They wish to enslave those who will survive the next three years, to be used as workers on distant worlds, because pretty much everyone in the universe, except humans, realize that this planet is on it's last leg.

True understanding of these things comes from within, tapping into the myriad of experiences you have had transmigrating from one shell to the next.


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If you research DR. Michael Cremo a very distinguished Professional Academic Archaelogist you would know that we have been visted for milenia possibly millions of years. The evidence is overwhelming.
Vested interest has more to answer for than truth. People don't like theories that contradict there own despite the evidence. So to keep their jobs , grants and funding they cover up the truth. This is true through out History ,Archaelogy, UFO's ,Aliens, 911 & virtually everything else.
Even though I dont agree with Darwin I can sypathise with the debates and professional battles he went through to convince people to abandon the old paradigm and accept his. Same with Einstein, Galileo , Copernicus, Newton ,Tesla etc etc. Just because you are conditioned to accept the mainstream view doesn't mean it's right. In fact theories change every few years .Quantum mechanics is a classic example.
How do I know what aliens are doing? Watch or listen to every disclosure project program, every Dr.Steven Greer interview, Dr.Stanton Friedman , Dr.Richard Thomson, Dr. Michael Cremo, Richard Hoagland, Dr.Zecharia Sitchin, Dr.M.Salla , Hon. Paul Hellyer (Canadian Defence Minister) & David Serada interview you can.Most of these people are phd doctors from real universites and their credentials are
The documents are available from former cia nsa military nasa and government whistle blowers.
Read all the bad stuff as well like Nazi UFO research & Nasa, then read Cometa the French Government UFO files, but most of all read history.
How many tribes discovered before the invention of flight in the 19th centuary have legends of origins in the Sirius system? Hindu religion is 4000 years old with blue or green people from the planet Goloka. We belived the world was flat and had no concept of other planets or other people.
Examples:
Flying Silver shields above his army (Aleander the Great) Ascending on Silver Clouds (Enoch ,Jesus , Mohammed) Flying chariots (China) Vimanas (India) UFO over Nato fleets (1952) UFO's over White House (1952) Twin Towers before 911 ( ufo bumps News helicopter) and Russian KGB files and video footage. ...and dozens of Ueshibu Bune pictures and accounts from the C12th centuary Japan.
Dr.Michael Cremo , Dr.Richard Thompson & Dr. Zecharia Sitchin have been ignored but never professionally refuted. That's because those that seek to riddicule them have been completely unable to support their arguments. You dont have to believe them. But to refute them you need to have evidence beyond PHD level. They have slightly different perspectives on the historical aspects of UFO alien contact because they have studied different cultures or disciplines.However the essential points of their theories concur, namely that we have been are still under observation by people from other planets .

The people from other planets are here. You wouldn't notice the difference if they passed you in the street. You might notice them if they appeared
from out of a disc flying out of the ocean ....

www.exopolitics.org...
www.xfacts.com...
www.disclosureproject.org...
www.exopoliticstoronto.com...
www.netro.ca... www.worldufodisclosure.org...

Originally posted by eyespy2
Also aaronman, that you believe this is all there is, is well, part of your alien programing, and the programing associated with living in the material universe. These bodies are merely shells, which contain our spiritual consciousness. Aliens understand this, and have programed you to forget, where your true home is. They prefer that you remain stuck in this relm of birth and death, so that your light - the spark in you from the True Light Source, can be used as an energy source to keep the illussion humming.

Sounds a little far-fetched too me, but is still very interesting. Sounds completely possible, but I ask how do you know this? I would like some sources. But still very intersting

Originally posted by mbkennel
Why do you assume the governments, made up of humans who live here on Earth, will intrinsically be less reliable than ET aliens

Honestly - this really doesn't deserve a comment but first I will ask where pray tell do you live? Here in the good ol U. S. of A. we've been spoonfed a steady diet of poison and lies for 300 years while at the same time destroying and toxifying everything we come in contact with. Technology? You think this is advancement? Overpopulated and infected is more like it. Our human health isn't any better than it was 1000 years ago we just know how to prolong a diseased state so we can be taxed longer - actually by and far the average joe is more diseased, hunched, psychotic and malformed than he's ever been. This is why I don't trust our governments... they serve few on the blood of many.

Originally posted by mbkennel
Abductions and experiments are not hostile - simply necessary DNA recovery for the long term in case we sh*t the bed as they say.

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How do you know?

I was abducted and I was informed that there is a strict covenant(galactic law) that does not allow warfaring races to utilize interstellar or time travel. They did say that there were hostile beings on this planet that may appear as aliens to us but they were here(in our solar system) before we were... this is absolute heresay based on my experience

Originally posted by mbkennel
And really---have the ETs that are supposedly coming around bothered to ASK us permission for DNA? Or bothered to explain themselves who they are and why they are doing what they are doing? Obviously not.

How do we know they aren't taking the DNA of humans in order to breed them off planet as enslaved laborers?

According to them the minute we formed a society with elected leaders who were allowed the time and capital to build nuclear warheads we immediately forfetied this right so now they are currently "killing two birds with one stone" by allowing the Grays to harvest human DNA. They are possibly preserving our species for future colonization in the advent of a catastrophe on earth, as well as attempting to create a hybrid race with the Grays. Even though the Grays are a very ancient and technologically advanced race they cannot process sunlight or reproduce except through artificial means. This is an "executive" attempt to salvage two valuable species.

Originally posted by mbkennel
We don't for sure, but ETs literal radio silence does not seem to be compatible with abductions with a beneficial motive. Why do criminals do things in the dark and attempt to avoid detection?

They cannot make a direct impact except with certain strains of individuals... they are not fullproof in their methods. Them abducting or conducting experiments out in the open would be a means to end of everything that holds our society together - people would be scared shtiless.



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What if hostile alien "threats" were for the greater good and/or future importance?
What if they were so evolved, they wouldn't recognize what is actually hostile to us?
What if they came to believe emotion is inefficient?
Since we know practically nothing of (possible) aliens, is this not a mute point?
Do we not justify our intentions as a whole?
Am I just too tired from working all night?
Hmm....strange thinking indeed!

Originally posted by eyespy2
It wasn't until a few alien races discovered earth on their sojourns through space that things got interesting. The first humans were like children, except for the screwing, and easily impressed with alien toys. The alien's on the other hand, really dug the humanoid bodies built for pleasure and pain.

To my understanding, which is based on lessons learned during an abduction experience, these aren't aliens in the sense that we think of "aliens." These beings are an elder race that inhabited this solar system tinkering with several civilization rises and falls over millions of years.

Originally posted by eyespy2
Once they figured out how to swap their consciousness, or even share a human body with the original conscious being occupying it, they began to really get busy optimizing the pleasure principal.

Absolutely - these beings are often the so called demons, djinn - the children of lucifer - but they are not aliens. They're as native to our experience as ants and water. Grays are true aliens.

Originally posted by eyespy2
They could come here, be human, and actually kill without any repercussions what-so-ever.

Untrue.. they've already begun to feel the consequences of these actions, it brings about a fatal short-sightedness which they are well aware of so they're frantically stocking up for when the ship goes down. That's really what the whole takeover of the Middle East is about - the recovery of huge caches of various resources as well as a monster hole to sink american tax dollars into.

Originally posted by eyespy2
So a lot of what we take as human emotions, slavery, and the violence towards each other, the eating of animals, the domination of women on this planet was actually learned and then passed down

True, but we chose this, our species chose this as part of our long term survival. It's all part of toughening up stage that we're going through. Only the strong survive... if we can make it through without succumbing to the darkness then that means we are fearless and thus worthy of the next level. It's tenuous right now... but the dark ones are running the show for sure and according to many they may have already sealed our fates for us.


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Originally posted by tezzajw
No, they're not answers at all. It's conjecture on your part. Show me a link that gives witness testimony data that supports your position. Furthermore, how would humans even recognise what an alien military symbol would look like in the first place?
Explain 'to my knowledge' in a referenced, verifiable way. You can't, as you just made that claim up to support your opinion.
You are making up data to support your opinion, therefore your whole opinion is WORTHLESS.

Google is an intgrated part of internet explorer so google up eyewithnesses yourself. You might come across reports I have not read.

The 'greys' wears suits that are grey. If they are military they would have to have SOMETHING that distingush generals from sergants from soldiers. It's military logic. Take away the symbols, no matter what it look like, from the military then the command structure will disintegrate.
No, the aliens are clearly scientists or schoolars of some kind or other.

My opinions are the summary of 40 years of reading (ancient history, religions, UFOs, politics). My opinions are as worthless as anyone elses; it might be wrong, one may remember wrong or have forgotten some details. But it reflects how the world is in my head anyway and thus cannot be verified in any way other than finding links to people who think the same as I do... But then if they think the same way I do why should I provide a link to their sites? Arguments can stand alone without links.

I'm influenced by the writings of
- Erik von Daniken (doubt the official version),
- Sven Hazel (anti-war books/novel)
- the indian eposes and way of living (like meditating)
- the christian bibles and unofficial parts that did not make it into the final version
- 'the bible comes from Arabia' by Suleiman Salihi if I remember the name right.
- Stephen Donaldson, David Eddings, and excpesially Terry Goodkind and his wizards rules, and alot of other books I don't remember at the moment.
and lastly but not least my own thinking and reflections, wich I've had a lot of time to do as I never married and have no children. home.online.no... have the short of it all or just hit here .

Originally posted by kronos11
Our human health isn't any better than it was 1000 years ago we just know how to prolong a diseased state so we can be taxed longer

Actually aour health IS better than it was 1000 years ago, or even 150 years ago. The invention and spread of sewer system and fresh water the last over 100 years killed many diseases we no longer get, or at least very seldom get. It is not vaccinations but modern sanitarian systems that made it possible for 6 billion people to inhabitate this planet. But this is not important for this topic---

I think the notion that no hostile aliens exist is absurd. Out of all the millions and millions of life supporting planets out there, surely a significant portion must harbour hostile aliens.

I think the notion that aliens must have lived a long time and taken a long time to travel to earth is also absurd. For some ridiculous reason we always seem to use our own progession as a benchmark for maximum possible intelligence. Couldn't the aliens be far more intelligent than us and capable of advancing a little quicker than we could? They may be able to achieve interstellar travel to any point in this, or any other universe/dimension in an instant.

There are so many aspects of existence that we have no idea about, which should automatically exclude us from making such ridiculous ill informed assumptions.

Originally posted by aaronman

Originally posted by eyespy2
Also aaronman, that you believe this is all there is, is well, part of your alien programing, and the programing associated with living in the material universe. These bodies are merely shells, which contain our spiritual consciousness. Aliens understand this, and have programed you to forget, where your true home is. They prefer that you remain stuck in this relm of birth and death, so that your light - the spark in you from the True Light Source, can be used as an energy source to keep the illussion humming.

Sounds a little far-fetched too me, but is still very interesting. Sounds completely possible, but I ask how do you know this? I would like some sources. But still very intersting

aaronman,

Let's say we were discussing your early childhood in this thread. And a couple of people logged on who knew you when you were say, 7 years old. Let's say they were your best friends. Kids who knew your mom and dad, brothers and sisters if you had some, kids with whom you shared many of your internal family secrets.

And lets say these folks were revealing all sorts of stories about you, experiences you shared together, and much about your personal life, right here, on this site as a thread.

Now, as close as they were to you, what are the chances that they would get everything right about your inner personal life with your family? Who is more likely to understand what really went on once the door was shut and you were all alone with your family. The answer is obviously, you. Am I right or am I wrong?

Well the same applies to our own personal histories within this cycle of birth and death that each of us has experienced, since our captivity in this illussory existance, hundreds of thousands of years ago. People can write about history, but you have your own unique history.

It is possible, to listen to our inner voice, the voice of our eternal spirit, to tap into the memory of these experiences in a sort of overview. You say this is all there is. The dude who started this thread most likely believes the same thing, considering he actually believes that when I speak of living forever, I'm speaking about his living in that same tired, confused, shell of a humanoid he currently resides in.

It is a sad thing indeed, when spirit beings forget who they really are, because as you look around, not just this earth, but the universe, and the billions of light years of space, and stars and stuff - to forget that you have not been a part of it all, and danced on other worlds, and loved, and experienced horrible deaths, been gay, a great lover, a theif, a murderer, a dickhead, a woman, a fern, a tree on some land, is to negate hundreds of thousands of years of experiences and life.

Which is why this material universe is evil! Because we forget here. And not only do we forget, but we have the audacity to actually negate the Source from which our True Light sprang. The very Source that has been trying to free you from this place before it all goes up in smoke taking you with it.

The proof of what I say is inside of you. Yeah, it takes some work to get at those memories. Right now, you and most everyone on this planet can be compared to the tail wagging the dog. Because we let these shells made of dirt, and water, air, which are filled with crap, and stupid notions of who were are: "I am black" - "I am white" - "I am a man" - "I am a woman, I must breed" rule the most precious jewel in all creation.

If you truly believe that this is all there is, then you my friend are already dead!

What explorer begins a journey saying to himself, "There is nothing to discover."

Most explorers at least say, "Hey, I don't know what's out there, but man, I'd sure love to find out."

Be an explorer. Discover your true self. Discover the memories of your past. Discover the Source of the Light in you. Your memories are the only proof of life you need


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Originally posted by Ghaele
It is not vaccinations but modern sanitarian systems that made it possible for 6 billion people to inhabitate this planet. But this is not important for this topic---

really... I meant sana... meaning mind and body. IMO people in the majority of the first world countries are morphed into some sort of bizarre, ignoble creature that feeds itself with non food, poisons and prescriptions. walk around anywhere in any city in America or London or Paris and you'll see what Im talking about... the bodies of these people clearly shows me they got good toilets but they can't use them. their bodies are constipated with meat and polyester. this is the perfect conditions for the enties to feed and there is a feast abounding these days with the amount of zombies walking around(compliments of television). in the past people lived short, torturous lives but they were alive, standing up straight. they were so simple the dark ones didn't bother with people much except with the aristocratic lines until now. don't get me wrong, i would never want to go back then but my point is we've evolved and de-evolved at the same time but all in all our sana is less IMO.

i apologize for going a tad off thread but i was answering someone about why i would blindly trust an alien race over my own government.


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Originally posted by eyespy2

It is possible, to listen to our inner voice, the voice of our eternal spirit, to tap into the memory of these experiences in a sort of overview.

Inner voice? I am assuming you mean a soul or something along those lines?

How would you listen to your inner voice? How could you be certain what you may "hear" is fact, or that the "memories" you tap into are real events and not just your imagination running wild?

Which is why this material universe is evil! Because we forget here. And not only do we forget, but we have the audacity to actually negate the Source from which our True Light sprang. The very Source that has been trying to free you from this place before it all goes up in smoke taking you with it.

What do you mean by this source? Is it some sort of higher power that wishes us to be in our eternal spirit within the spiritual universe? If the source is a higher power, did it create the material universe as well, why would it not want us to be there? How could it possibly be evil because we forget our "past"?

Right now, you and most everyone on this planet can be compared to the tail wagging the dog. Because we let these shells made of dirt, and water, air, which are filled with crap, and stupid notions of who were are: "I am black" - "I am white" - "I am a man" - "I am a woman, I must breed" rule the most precious jewel in all creation.

I do not quite understand this, are you saying that everything is a spirit of which you speak? That we should not all think we are different but that we are all the same?

If you truly believe that this is all there is, then you my friend are already dead!

Would it not matter what we believe anyways because what I am getting from this is that if we die we will become this spirit and enter the spiritual world?

Why is it that we would have so many different life experiences, why would our 'souls' keep getting new bodies? Why would the higher power not just let us stay in the spirit world?

This is a very interesting outlook on life, but leaves too many uncertainties for me at least, because nothing can really be proven as all the evidence is supposedly within some sort of deep inner light, and the only way to find out for sure would be to actually die, where if the spiritual world is in fact true, you will just be sent to another body and forget about the "truth", or if it is not true, there is nothing. It can't really be proven right or proven wrong due the fact that dead bodies don't talk.

Most that cry hostile intent are only concerned for their way of life being disturbed. Those that do not want to be disrupted from a seat of power, and those you might label deviant who would raise concern in "invaders" establishing better ways of life are the ones that create a sense of conflict.

I would hold that there could be an influence from an otherworldly source that is supplanted in such a way that it is not fully recognized as having taken place, so that those who are to be affected do not react in a violent manner towards others who they would intend harm against.

In other words, it's a possibility that there has been some type of interference, and it is not even acknowledged. At least, not on a level where anyone spends a great deal of time concerning themselves with it.

There's been a lot of hoopla lately concerning gene manipulation, and some contend it is extraterrestrial in source. But, most say it is due to lab errors, skewed data, what have you.

Personally, from my perspective, you're under the influence so to speak. Admission of, however, is a whole other matter. There's just too much people won't acknowledge, and through repetition, try to flat out deny realities. Which leads to a gross method of dealing with things. Sputters of utter ignorance.

All right, it was just some info.

On another note, I'm not sure about violent aliens, but we certainly are a violent people. PEACE!

aaronman,

I feel like this conversation is hijacking this thread, but the only reason I came here in the first place was because of mayan2012's insistance that aliens were benevolent. Promise I'll wind up there. But first, hopefully I'll be able to answer your questions.

Imagine you take a trip to the beach, and once there, standing in the surf, you fill a 26 oz jar with ocean water and then screw the lid on tight. Well, if you've ever looked at a drop of ocean water under a microscope, you see thousands, if not millions of mircoscopic lifeforms in every drop. How many drops make an ocean? So for the sake of this discussion, let us also imagine that the ocean represents the Supreme Spirit, the ga-zillions of lifeforms represent memories or knowledge, and the jar represents the boundries of this universe. Notice the size of the jar, compared to the size of the ocean?

Trapped in our jar universe, are two kinds of beings, whether they be human or alien: those who are True Light being, and those who are false light beings. The True Light beings never forget the Supreme Spirit of Light, and their true home. The false light being reject the Supreme Spirit of Light, and are therefore happy to be separated. Likewise, some of our lifeforms in the jar never forget the freedom of the ocean, while some are happy inside the jar - don't even realize anything has changed.

But it's the false light beings who created the jar - universe, imposing it upon a sector of the Spirit relm, by utilizing the power and knowledge they derived from the True Light. For as many reasons as there are beings in this universe, many True Light beings were attracted to this creation of the false light beings, thereby becoming trapped within it, transmigrating from one body to the next, as a constant source of energy for the illusory world.

Our toil, emotional trauma, violence, and human emotions exudes useable energy to keep it going. One of the reasons there have been so many UFO sighting is designed to increase our emotional fear level, at this moment in time when the illusion is falling apart. But there's a time limit for this universe, just as there is for the millions of microscopic life forms trapped in our jar filled with ocean water.

Even though this universe has existed for what, you pick the number, billions of years? In the Spiritual relm, there is no time. So it's only been like, 24 hours comparatively. The design of this universe is very complicated, as evidenced by how many True Light beings have become completely wrapped up in believing all they are, is what their physical bodies project. This is why from time to time, Special Light beings come to this relm to remind as many as will listen to wake up.

As for that voice, it's more like a movie screen inside of your mind, projecting relevent memories, and events that brought you to this current state, living in this body. The more we are attracted to this world, the harder it is to see what's on the screen. Yes, it can be confusing as to that which is real, and that which you want to be real. Because the ego gets in the way.

The key is never forgetting, living in the Light, and knowing that your true self is not a body that will return to it's source, the dirt. For the True Light beings, it is the only way to escape the cycle of birth and death. True Light beings know this, because they have an on-going relationship with the Special Light being who lived here, and demonstrated how to live in the Light, and defeat death.

There are alien races on this planet who are working directly for the false light beings. Working for the false light beings constitutes being vested in our destruction. If you want to believe in their benevolence, ask yourself why they have never used their advanced technology to cure cancer, AIDS, or show up to stop a war.

Was there really ever a thread to begin with?! Was a statement based solely on opinion and stated as though fact cmon.

eyespy2,

Still a bit confused on what you mean, but what you are saying kinda reminds me of the matrix. Where the machines are the ones rejecting this light, and created the universe (matrix), with the aliens (agents) are working against it or something, truly mind boggling stuff.

But i guess we should stop hijacking the thread

Originally posted by Ghaele

Originally posted by tezzajw
Show me a link that gives witness testimony data that supports your position.

Google is an intgrated part of internet explorer so google up eyewithnesses yourself. You might come across reports I have not read.

No, that's still not an answer. You made the claim, if you want it to be taken seriously, then you back up the claim with data. Without any supporting evidence, your claims are fictional opinions.

The 'greys' wears suits that are grey. If they are military they would have to have SOMETHING that distingush generals from sergants from soldiers. It's military logic. Take away the symbols, no matter what it look like, from the military then the command structure will disintegrate.
No, the aliens are clearly scientists or schoolars of some kind or other.

Right, so now you adopt human military 'logic' to infer the exact nature of the insignias that aliens should have on their suits. Again, all of this is totally unverifiable, so it's your fictional opinion.

Arguments can stand alone without links.

No, they can't. An argument has factual basis to support an opinion.

I can't take any of your opinions seriously, when you make claims that you can't prove.