UFO: Antigravity or Coandă Effect man made saucers or aircrafts?

Originally posted by Matyas But how does an army get fed in a land of ice? And where does the waste material go? That's a heckuva lot of mushrooms if you ask me!

One of the biggest problems with mainting large threads is the quantity of information. So it is easy to miss posts. The Nexus article has been on Pegasus for some time and we have permission to reprint much of their work that is of interest to us, and has been linked to several times in many threads LOL

Pegasus Cosmic Conspiracy

brotherthebig has also forgotten the Pegasus section that has his work mixed with ours...

Brotherthebig Files

As to that patent with the "Aurora" thats missing on the website, have no fear... we have the actual patent on file and its on the Swiss patent office website where I have found some of Tesla's old patents that are not cataloged in their search engine yet...


The food and other supplies... seems Raytheon, the defense contractor, is handling materials coming into Antarctica... and they have had to improve the ice runway at Pegasus Field to handle the really BIG transports...

Pegasus Field ice runway improvements

Wouldn't want one of those big super galaxies to fall through the ice now would we?


The waste just got dumped into the ocean... since 1956... the soil and the bay are now the worst poluted area in the worldthey are now cleaning it up.


"In 1994, soil samples from around the station pinpointed six hot spots with at least 10,000 parts per million of total petroleum hydrocarbons, 100 times the maximum allowed in the United States. "

"The garbage and spilled fuel had been accumulating since the station was established in 1956, Gilmore said. Back then nobody thought about the environment. They dumped garbage on the ice in Winter Quarter's Bay or buried it in the nearby hills."

"Already the environmental department has removed 2,000 tons of fuel contaminated soil and 697 drums of fuel, ice and soil from McMurdo in the past two seasons."

"The station produces 40,000 to 60,000 gallons of sewage a day, depending on the season. The sewage is chopped into sludge, diluted with brine and water from the Crary Lab and released into McMurdo Sound."

The above quotes are picked from the Pegasus report linked above...

Here are two more observed by a visitor to the area...

"So they dragged it out farther on the ice shelf and left it, as was the usual practice in those days. As an aside, the Navy crews left a LOT of crap around in this area. Winter Quarters Bay, where the various ships dock at McMurdo (and where Scott originally moored the Discovery) is still extremely polluted. The Navy simply bulldozed their trash into this bay. They would also send out old dozers and equipment on ice floes and dynamite them, leaving the wreckage to sink to the bottom of McMurdo Sound. Hut Point Peninsula and the nearby areas of McMurdo Sound are probably the most polluted bits of land and sea in Antarctica! Nowadays, spills and contamination are closely monitored and contained. But there are still a lot of things left over from the old days that nobody really wants to deal with, and are more or less ignored." "



This quote is from Seth White with permission to reprint and use his photos

He make one other comment that is particularly of interest to our discussion...


"The bald guy in the front is Dave Havner, who I didn't know at the time. He is one of the ATS crew and I have gotten to know him over the winter. Since he was staying the winter, he was headed out to Christchurch for a week of R&R on this particular day. The regular McMurdo staff used to get this, but not any more. However, the ATS guys still do."

No he is NOT talking about this ATS... Its amazing how you can get your best info from innocent sources

Now engines running on Helium in a continuous cycle would be
required for endless space travel. Lyne suggests this type of engine.


Company makes 3B on 8B sales of device to extract Heluim from
natural gas. Isotope radiation in the earth generates Helium.

finance.yahoo.com...
PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-06 31-Dec-05 31-Dec-04
Total Revenue 8,324,000 7,656,000 6,594,000
Cost of Revenue 4,968,000 4,641,000 3,987,000
Gross Profit 3,356,000 3,015,000 2,607,000


Off Helium extraction from natural gas.

Why waste a good thing or man thats a gas as ol' Frankie would say.

But if it gleans air around nuke plants, thats another source.
Question is how much in gas from heavy metals compared to nuke and waste chambers.

Some alpha particle to Helium info: (I used the google catch to see posts.)
en.for-ua.com...

klapa (16:50 | 16 September,2006)
Have you ever seen the popular pictures of people preparing the new fuel assemblies for a reactor?
You'll see all these neat and clean people with white smocks, surgical masks, and white gloves aroung
a gleaming new fuel rod. Well, this fuel rod contains radioactive material so why are all these people
just standing right next to it? Are they all going to die of radiation poisioning? Well - the answer
is that in its natural state the "radiation" released is only alpha particles. these are very heavy
particles (nucli of helium) and they have very low penetrating power. Thus only the thin white gloves
are necessary to stop the radiation and shield the people from its affects.

www.antonine-education.co.uk...

Alpha particles are stopped by a few cm of air, while beta particles have a range of several metres in air.
This means that an alpha source can be used safely with minimal shielding.
Your skin will stop alpha particles.



Alpha particles are intensely ionising.
Being quite big and moving fast, they collide frequently with other atoms, knocking off electrons, causing ionisation.
They rapidly lose their energy. Eventually they stop and then pick up two stray electrons to become helium atoms.
All the Earth's helium atoms are thought to come from alpha decay.


Now what good is this Helium? Praxair,PX see the insider page.

Also AA and AL for aluminum possible requirement for high cycle electrical
craft, Tesla: aluminum may be the iron of high frequency.

So all this Helium coming from radioactive decay, thats
whats melting the ice caps. There is a Gore in that company.

Did Nazi Germany have Helium, I think so. Would they develop such
an engine. Never heard of it.

ed:

As to that patent with the "Aurora" thats missing on the website, have no fear... we have the actual patent on file and its on the Swiss patent office website where I have found some of Tesla's old patents that are not cataloged in their search engine yet...

Lyne said Tesla had Swiss patents, even perhaps a saucer.
Don't know if Einstein was a clerk at the time. Mr. E could reject the
patent and parley it into something big. Better than Tesla's accountant
or was it P Bush. Any way, if you do post or collect such information
please consider a zip file on megadownload and send me the link by
PM, I called dibs. (laugh laugh to myself)
And thanks for mentioning, I'll check put that link when up.


[edit on 6/7/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Now engines running on Helium in a continuous cycle would be
required for endless space travel. quote]

You might want to have a look at this work then. I believe I posted it somewhere here before but there are too many threads...

Fusion Engine

Runs on Helium 3, minimal shielding required and it LEVITATES

And the team working on it is not some crackpot in the garage, but MIT Tech and Los Alamos National Laboratory

PS The Patent page will be ready soon

My envisioned Helium engine I am afraid is not that sophisticated.

It much like a stream engine with Helium the stream not even using
the dislodged electrons from hot sparks to generate electricity but
to run a turbine for high cycle alternating current.

www.youtube.com...

If that is a UFO blob of purple ionized air, and electrical high voltage
sparking, then that is my basis for the a/c propelled hover craft.
At end noticed two dark circles side by side, two of the apex motors
off a triangle.

The Helium would be near alpha particle and gain an electron and be
recycled to spark chamber again. Perhaps even straight electrical
gain may be achieved but the idea is not to wast an exhaust.


Made an investment in that Helium gathering equipment company.
It just might power those rods on four Tesla plasma motors.

It if become rich on a mistaken premise, what the hey, all the better.

Here is one for all you Tesla-ites out there.

It was found by Bigfatfurrytexan and sent to me via email...

I think both Matyas and TeslaandLynn will need resuscitation after reading this one!

MIT's 'WiTricity' Makes Power Cords Obsolete

The MIT researchers who developed the "WiTricity" wireless power technology haven't set their sights on global broadcast power just yet, but the team is already envisioning wirelessly transmitting power to laptops or cell phones across an office or inside a house. Because the power stream can be consistent, the devices would not even need batteries...



Instead, Soljacic and his team chose "coupled resonance." Two objects that have the same resonant frequency can transmit energy with efficiency, and reject interaction with nonresonant objects. The opera singer who sings exactly the right note, loud enough, can break a wine glass if it is precisely tuned to her resonant frequency by the level of the wine in the glass. Any other wine glasses just ignore her.

SOURCE

Resonance...

Looks the same as Moray's work so many years ago...

Dr. T. Henry Moray with his resonate coil device. This device could output 80,000 watts.

This device was properly tested and documented.

After the Patent Office refused Henry Moray a patent on his device, he offered to give it to the goverment for free — They refused the offer.

( It appears from my studies on the subject, that Nikola Tesla had a chance to see Henry Moray's device after the Germanium detector was smashed by a malicious person.

Nikola Tesla was able to replace Henry Moray’s "solid state component" with vacuum tubes in the resonate coil design he used for his car. —Tommy C— )

TESLA and a list of all his patents

Moray

Now that I have the list I can get the actual patents...

[edit on 9-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
Here is one for all you Tesla-ites out there.

I already heard about this (no surprise there, huh!), and yes, it does vindicate Tesla. However, as the article states, we will not be seeing wireless xmission of power on a large scale any time soon.

Another notable aspect is it took MIT researchers to do this over a hundred years after it was discovered. Either way, Tesla was a genius or our science is not up to par.

Originally posted by brotherthebig
[post #1/5]

Hi,

I was searching for information about the firsts jet planes and airplanes of unconventional forms, I used manly ATS, Google, You Tube and Wikipedia, and I started to post where in ATS what I was finding in the respective forums, because the information is immense and in different fields, some subjects had already been posted by other ATS members, I tried not to duplicate so I put thread’s references where I know them or found them trough search.

This thread tries to centralize the information I found, and I welcome some more resources, information and videos on the subject. Could you help, please?

UFO antigravity requires a special type of matter to develop, but people cannot create this type of substance, because they can't think the way aliens do, and any material found on Earth, is nothing more, but minerals. These molecules are useless to develop antigravity.

Anyway, some weeks ago, I had a rather choppy dream, seemed that it was some kind of streaming video: I saw an airplane WITHOUT wings flying to the skies, it only have some small controlling wings, it didn't have engines, either. Perhaps, it was an existing airplane somewhere, but it wasn't a "UFO". Was nice, anyway.

I posted this:
TeslaandLyne
17 hours ago Mark as Spam
Tesla:"The trials with air at ordinary pressure led to no result,
but with air moderately rarefied I obtain what I think to be an
unmistakable experimental evidence of the property sought for.
As a result of this kind might lead able investigators to conclusions
of importance I will describe one of the experiments performed."
That was at 10,000 cycle high voltage, electrical rigidity.
Its an electrical flying aether craft from Germany. Say it ain't so Joe.


At "UFO - The Greatest Story Ever Denied" on Google.

I think people were working in the right direction and only Tesla give us
a clue and not the total package.
Of course more voltage or cycles might be involved, but then there is,
from Lyne's research on Tesla:

Tesla discovered that electric spark discharges in
air, ignite and combust atmospheric oxygen and nitrogen, producing 12-million-volt waves. The
oxygen and nitrogen, both, below atomic number 19, are thereby transmuted into alpha and beta
charges (stripped helium nuclei with +2 charge ea., and electrons with -1 charges ea) by the
powerful radiation produced, having a voltage potential of 12 Mev. Since this is almost three times
the Mev level of gamma radiation emitted by radium, it is certainly sufficient to explain the claims
of Tesla, as traditional contemporary physics cannot explain such high voltages or radiation.

Back when the A bomb was to be detonated many thought the high cycle
radiation would explode the atmosphere.

You can't find great stuff any where else. Even a few words on "baseball bomb"
clean nukes. I don't know if they can be detected by Home Land
Security but Russia has reduced production according to Lyne.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne Even a few words on "baseball bomb" clean nukes.

Speaking about bombs (and we probably shouldn't ) what ever happened to talk of the cobalt bomb? And what about cobalt itself? Interestingly enough that meteor impact crater in Sundury Ontario Canada has an abundance of the stuff... and its the place that Norcat is running the Lunar Mining equipment tests.

It seems other than using it for an intense blue dye not much is heard about it these days. Perhaps this is the "mysterious blue/violet stone" that keeps popping up in the mix of things?

The Cobalt Bomb is capable of wiping out life on earth. It explodes and emits long-lasting and lethal gamma radiation, the most energetic radiation in the electromagnetic spectrum. Has the Cobalt Bomb been constructed? If it has, then it is part of a classified arsenal of weapons, but who would want to unleash a weapon of such destructive power that none who inhabit the earth would survive? Perhaps only those who can take refuge in a deep underground Ark.

The Never-Tested Doomsday Bomb

Or move to Mars

[edit on 12-6-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon
Speaking about bombs (and we probably shouldn't

) what ever happened to talk of the cobalt bomb?

Mmm-mm! These are good exercises in particle physics, but that is as far as they will go! If you want to meet so called "ET", just build one of these bad puppies and you will be real up close and personal like with quickness!

You "talk" about a garden, that is one bad apple...

Now time for my mini sermon on the thread

Earth is like unto an apartment building. In your daily goings about, you may get to know some of your neighbors, but not all because of schedule differences, entrance and exit habits, and some recluses, whatever the case may be. But turn up the music and you'll hear a pounding on the wall; start punching holes in the wall and someone you rarely met will came down from the end of the hall; leave the water running and the one from under you comes up to protest; leave the pot on the stove and the ones you never thought existed because you never looked up will come down from the upper floors to see what the smoke is about; build a C-bomb, well you get the picture.

That is because our concept of ET is not what we think it is. Just because we don't know or see our neighbors doesn't mean Earth is not their home too. Like us, they don't have to be from somewhere else to live here!

And that, my friends, is why it was never built.

Here is another link of interest.

Never mind if it has been posted already but I thought it should be posted anyway. I just don't have the time to look through the thread.

Back to saucers theres a thread on ats with one of those fighter jet
flying alongside a UFO.

The flight system is evidently orthogonal in nature and allows for constant
acceleration against gravity for level flight or hover and forward motion
from pulsed or intermittent acceleration in the horizontal direction.

I'm sure I mentioned aether craft a few dozen times and it is just that
that allows for surrounding currents to apply forces to the craft.

Notice how the early Antarctic UFO episode have fuzzy saucers which are
very common even today. Yet they were very powerful. They are practically
a moving particle beam accelerator and aiming its motor at something
ensures destruction of the target.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
The flight system is evidently orthogonal in nature...

What would be more descriptive, orthogonal (rotation on the axis at right angles) or octagonal, (eight vectors in any plane)?

This orthogonal would mean perpendicular or at a 90 degree angle.

I call the magnetic field and electric field an 'aether' field because they
are invisible.

Electric current might also be an 'aether' flow, which is associated with
the direction of the electric field.

A current flow perpendicular to the magnetic field effects a force perpendicular
to both.

So up into a hover is a constant force against gravity.

Move sideways at some velocity, effect a force for limited time periods.

Hover requires the current and magnetic field upward, while direct another
current to go horizontal. One current to go up and a number of discrete
horizontal directions and you let the magnetic field swing around to
the proper perpendicular.


Researcher Lyne has gone into this.

Lyne on Zundel:

Though novel in some respects, Zundel's idea of how German saucers worked was incorrect
if not completely lacking, being unfortunately subject to prior Nazi/CIA disinformation via
Paperclip, and a vague idea of jets, rockets, or some mysterious, esoteric "anti-gravity" system of
Felix Schauberger, involving a "water vortex". The Canadians were most likely worried that
Zundel might turn up a German-to-Canadian technology transfer dating to 1945 or soon thereafter.
In 19531 made my first close-up daylight sighting.


[edit on 6/16/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

Antigravity


Hi,

We have already referenced the book “The Hunt for Zero Point” from Nick Cook in the opening post [post #2/5]. Also of interest from Cook is this video that gives a general overview and deals with The Bell and ends with an Antigravity Experiment by Tim Ventura.

UFOs - The Secret Evidence

Google Video Link

Two of the best books on Tesla works I found are Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, author already mentioned by TeslaandLyne, and Antigravity and The World Grid by David Childress, author mentioned in the referenced article by Matyas.

Many more Tesla’s documents on Scridb (a very good documentation repository!), just search by “Tesla”, maybe you will there what you are looking for, Zorgon.

Steven M, this thread on Lazar and Element 115 also discusses antigravity engines and technology.

Any information on this photo?

brotherthebig.

We have already referenced the book “The Hunt for Zero Point” from Nick Cook in the opening post [post #2/5]. Also of interest from Cook is this video that gives a general overview and deals with The Bell and ends with an Antigravity Experiment by Tim Ventura.

Two of Lyne's books are online. And I linked them today.

I google searched atomic gases lyne and found them.

The zero point appears to come into play at high voltage and cycles.
Ordinarily high v&c prevents high currents from forming.

The enclosed aether craft seems to be unaware of the high currents
forming outside due to oxygen and nitrogen transmutation to the Helium
nucleus ( exposing the zpr or zpe) and giving high electron currents
to lift and propel the craft.

Perhaps its the Faraday effect the saves the insiders.

Tesla sitting around aether strikes, that was multiple exposures and
he wasn't there at all. He could fool the people, Ruling Class 101.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Two of Lyne's books are online. And I linked them today.

These are linked where? Or did I miss them?

In the moon thread one of the questions people ask is where do they launch these "secret missions" from...

Good question. Antarctica was always our favorite choice. But a poster asked "Maybe they use an island in the Pacific?....

So I did a search.... and as the olde saying goes...

"LO AND BEHOLD..... I found SEA LAUNCH

In the course of researching it I also discovered the first sea launch.... which brings me right back to this thread...

It really is becoming clear to me that it is all connected...

Some time ago, in many threads I have mentioned the Aquila cargo transport... with no takers Well I will show that one tomorrow, but as it turned out that story also leads back to sea launch...

So let me start with the latest find, as it is really the beginning and most relevant to this thread...

OPERATION SANDY


Caption
Precursor to Sea Launch: the launch of a V-2 rocket from the deck of the USS Midway in 1947. People are clearly visible watching the liftoff. Note the tilt of the rocket. (credit: US Navy)

Ocean-based launch: extending a successful approach to new applications
by Andrew E. Turner
Monday, February 12, 2007

The unfortunate loss of a Sea Launch vehicle and its NSS-8 spacecraft payload at liftoff on January 30th underscores one benefit of launching rockets at sea: if something goes wrong at low altitude, there are no damaged buildings, utilities, roads, trucks, and cars, as opposed to certain land-based launch failures that have caused considerable harm to the surrounding area, like this Delta 2 failure a decade ago. Damage from the Sea Launch failure is confined to the platform itself and appears to be limited. The Pacific Ocean has served as a self-healing launch site that now supports return of the launch platform to its home base for refurbishment.
Ocean-based launch platforms

This launch failure comes almost 60 years after the failure of the US Navy’s only attempt to launch a liquid fueled rocket from an aircraft carrier. Operation Sandy involved the September 6, 1947 launch of a V-2 rocket from the deck of the USS Midway. A newsreel account of the launch can be viewed online.

SOURCE

Video USS MIDWAY

Soooo the US Navy was launching V2's from the deck of an aircraft carrier in 1947...

Gotta love those NAZI Rocket scientists we recruited
Okay now lets jump forward to the present...

SEA LAUNCH a joint Boeing?Russian venture...

Boeing Sea Launch Home Page

The thing that tied it into my other research was the Delta IV Heavy Component rocket, a vehicle 30 meters taller than the Shuttle launch vehicle, and capable of heavy payloads...



These are able to launch from Sea Launch... so now we have a heavy lifter that can be launched from sea where no one can see it

Integrated Defense Systems Boeing Delta Series

Here is a video of a Sea Launch Failure... No one was hurt as they all leave to the support ship and the platform required minimal repairs. But you will notice the launch is counted down in both Russian and English... (Told you they were in on it together )



And here is a short documentary on the vessel. I will be on vacation next week and just happens I will be in Long Beach

Thread Summary I


brotherthebig.

Wow. You seem to have really done your homework!

Really nice presentation Brotherthebig. Gonna start reading through all the data now. There is a lot so no doubt I wont reply with my opinion for a few days.

Its good to see people using ATS the way it should be, after looking at a certain group of posts today I started to loose faith lol. Your posts look like a well presented, coherent, thought-out set of ideas and theories. Very nice work.

Homework


Hi,

Thank you Chupa101, I think that we have already here much information and resources, so a simple summary could help new Members on the thread, and also I was playing with video editing and YouTube to learn how to use.

Take your time and please post when you feel comfortable with the subject.

Now his holidays time for some Friends and Members so for all of you have nice holidays, I am also short on time and if work allows I will take a short holidays too.


brotherthebig.