UFO: Antigravity or Coandă Effect man made saucers or aircrafts?

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Tesla's helicopter had the anti rotation engine.
A very necessary invention to be used in any saucer air craft.

Ah! Well I have his helicopter patent... I will have to look at it more closely now. It may be possible he never actually filed patent on the saucer

Got info on this from Z a while back, and it is growing on me, and would prove useful here as well (providing it has not already been discussed)!

Trouble was, the machine, which even looked like a Flying Saucer weighed
two tons. So Hitler scrapped it and went in with the rockets.

source

The weight never bothered Hitler, that must be a super dis info on
the Hitler super weapon. (Did Hitler eat meat and discarded carbos like
Dr. Atkins said years later?)

In one of these sections on the chopped up video on YouTube the mention of
weight not being a problem is discussed.

I made an attempted summary.

See Part1,Part2 and Part3 for atomic gases release energy, work in
electrical devices, require hight electric fields to activate.
However a physics or electrical engineering degree might help just to get
started and actual research if clarity or documentation is needed.
I don't know if the aluminum disk in your watt-hour meter vibrates to
generate more power but I can't say what it does except deflect the
power factor (an EE term) which Lyne has little knowledge of.
(Hence my investment in atomic gases.. hey give it a try.)

See Part4 for momentum, mass times velocity, that is imparted on a object
by electrical forces, ten to the fortieth power greater than gravity. And the
1943 remote navigator that was still confidential as Sandia Based workers
sought to sell off items on the side. The next time they did it they got caught.
(the Weight factor might be in this section... the Belgian Triangle looked immense
and had same motor arrangement as on Nazi saucers)

See Part5 for how American technology was given, stolen by spies or traitors
, to foreign countries. America should initiate a technology containment
policy and wipe the slate clean.


See Part6 Lyne goes into the slander because Tesla's work was hot hot hot
and diverting attention is part of the job.
Don't find comments or slander amusing with regard to Tesla because they
are baseless.
If you can understand at all the conspiracy behind the technology you will
find more. I sometimes link to a web page of Tesla's EXPERIMENTS but
basically he demonstrated Jacob's Ladder effects
(see them at YouTube) and one wire aether lamps.
Those are constant plasma flows and required for anti gravity
or for the electrical force against gravity. DC plasma pulse will provide
velocity in the horizontal direction.
This is what Lyne is talking about and only he is might know because of National
Security leaks found by him accidentally.


See Part7, Part8 and Part9 for a sum up on saucers and and how they work,
who was involved, and where they might be:
SWITZERLAND just like a James Bond Movie.

Just found this web page, better than that online book by Lyne:


Much of it sounds like the Lyne writtings.


It is much simpler than he goes into to but he knows how the electric field
breaks apart air molecules giving suspension and momentum.

Yes, but...

Here is another claim that the Nazi saucers not only did not fly, but that they never existed in the first place!

It seems another layer of the onion is peeling away.

That
www.keelynet.com...

Keelynet link is not working right but I recall that sight as having
Tesla 'knowledge' and nothing connecting it with saucers.

I bet none flew either because they were cover programs, yup way
back then. So are most Tesla and Nazi occult website stuff a cover,
its occult or hidden alright because they don't know about it.
And all we seen were FOO and Turtle craft and phony disc or saucer craft.

No one can talk about the discovery since day one and now its
a National Security issue. You lose your job if you tell, not by
what you did, that would blow the cover, but by another security
issue. So Disclosure will never be.


Not much is even hinted at unless you lived back in the time of Tesla
and knew what electrical engineering entailed by way of forces.
There still might be an engineer around to figure it out.


From my last link:
here

Tesla’s original vision, in his 1870’s student days, of his “ideal flying machine”, was of an electropulsive one, the realization of which is why he said he originally entered the field of electrical science in 1875 in the first place. This was the problem which he had assigned to himself as his main lifelong work. (Frank Parker Stockbridge, The Tesla Turbine. The World’s Work, march, 1912, pp. 543-48.)

Tesla gave up on external power to a craft, it would not work any way.
It needed high voltage and frequency electrical generated inside to
shape the outside air by breaking it apart, thus dark clouds or blurry
images.

Do Nazi saucer look blurry, no. Only the Foo disturbed the air.
But other craft might have existed.

Ed: perhaps the power plant involved his coil sparking helium, that
would be another secret to hold onto



[edit on 8/1/2007 by TeslaandLyne]

there was a vid I ran into a while back titled the Hutchensen Effect, I think this man had discovered AntiGrav by Mistake..... Then The gov't Broke everything before it could be studied ,its here on ATS heres the Link
But yeah, so I guess NASA had also spent over 3 billion attempting to discover it. I dont really know about that BS though since more than half the things THEY do they dont even bother telling us about....

I had to review some videos and found the Tesla German saucer project
that went on due to the dirty press about Tesla.


Man did we get scammed.

Some one got a hold of that thing and now rules the world.

Fly anywhere at twice the speed of anyone else, and don't come
a knocking because we're protected.


Dirty press got you wondering about things going on now.
No. How could that be.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I had to review some videos and found the Tesla German saucer project
that went on due to the dirty press about Tesla.


Man did we get scammed.

I doubt the "ruling" part, but monarchs of the air for sure. John is right, there can be cities on the Moon and Mars by now teaming with millions of people. Still, we need bench tests and level heads to study, write, and basically recreate an entire era. SETI will stay silent because they are on the wrong bands, the Florida court just ruled it is O-K for any news agency to lie to the public, and cleptocratic cronies of the king run two if not all three branches. Only the "kooks" will get anywhere close.

Illuminati dis info warehouses : the free press copy and foolish science projects to line their pockets.

Hollywood is the biggest trash basket of entertainment and Illuminati
money maker.
See Simpsons fight the Aliens.
Why not fight Hitlers left over Nazis.

All gone, Hitler died long time ago. The super weapon was nothing
(but we have it flying every day). No reason to think Hitler was under
a cover by the CIA or anyone else.

Tesla picked up radio signals and it was Outer Space Alien stories.
Same thing with the telescope, the one with the biggest scope had the
latest stories.
I would suggest alternate reasons for any Alien studies.
Mostly money making.

Here you go:

Why America Needs to Explore Space
By Neil deGrasse Tyson
Published: August 5, 2007
www.parade.com...

To keep the Nazis on the gray train.

And you can't use UFOs either if it works on a rigid aether:
www.youtube.com...

So the giant Haunebu V? mars craft would never make it.
So I doubt that are any mars and moon bases if we must reach them
by rocket science.

At least they didn't say to mine Helium as one dis info page on the
net gave as a reason for going to the moon.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyneMuch of it sounds like the Lyne writings.

That's because it is.

It is much simpler than he goes into to but he knows how the electric field breaks apart air molecules giving suspension and momentum.

Not air, Aether. So why the schism between Einstein's relativity and Aetheric physics, and does Lisa Randall promise to untie the knot?

Edit for !@#$ quote code

[edit on 8/5/2007 by Matyas]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Illuminati dis info warehouses.../snip!/...I would suggest alternate reasons for any Alien studies. Mostly money making.

I have always had problems with the Illumanti conspiracy theories, mainly because my first encounter with it was as a literary device invented by RAW (Robert Anton Wilson). Masons too used to have much more power than they do now, they were used by kings as rumor mill clearing houses, but now they are just a boys club with special events on the weekends. This is because their Morals and Dogma does not provide an effective means of rising above the worst humans can be and realizing our full potential by constantly reminding us of how bad we are. Same with western Christianity.

It's greed allright that is driving this lying and thievery, but not by what our concept of "them" is, because "they" are us, good hearty God fearin' corn fed folk from these here parts that put such filth in positions of power and control.

And if you want to talk money making, aliens don't cash in as much as chic shopping bags at $1700 a pop. It is more of a control issue, and keeping said issue safely within the confines of the wacko camp. Weaning the population off of consumerism is one way to break the back of the beast. Another is education. We severely lack a priority on education.

I included Lisa Randall's work here as a mainstream example of what can be accomplished in academia, how a synthesis can be formed from the disparity of two opposing theories. It is my hunch that Tesla was pumping his wavefronts with enough potential bleeding through to the fifth dimension and bringing gravitons in ours momentarily. This is why "critters", very weird space based life forms, appear over and around T-storms. A sprite has the power of 5-50 GW, and lightning can build up a potential of 100 MeV. If Lisa is right, the breakout occurring at 10 TeV, pumping the already charged atmosphere with synchronized wavefronts could conceivably reach 10 TeV. The math is not written in stone, so the wavefunction may not have a probability of 10^-18.

We all should be watching what the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland is doing. Get off your duff and start digging, because this is where it is at right now! If we want answers, we may not get an opportunity like this for a long time.

awsome post OP.

Zorgon the moon stuff is bogus,you just find an abnormal looking rock or a funny shaded mountain side and claim its all sorts of stuff lol.how can you see something i cannot see at all?And dont say its because you have a trained eye.Its a damm rock,get over it.

Originally posted by Project_Silo
how can you see something i cannot see at all?And dont say its because you have a trained eye.Its a damm rock,get over it.

Just a heads up man. I used to think very much like you. For proof of this, look through the very first few pages of this thread. I've been involved in this since it's inception some 4 months ago. (??)

Anyway, over the course of the time that research has been going on, I'll admit that I've seen a lot of photos that I consider to be a bunch of bunk. However, there's also been a bunch of images that I have to seriously question, as they DO in fact show something substantial being in them. As an example, there's one image that I pointed out that shows what appears to be something sticking out of a cliff. Now, at the time that I saw that, no one else had as yet spotted it. Does that mean that what I saw was actually something other then a rock? Hell no. But, it does establish the fact that there may be things on the Moon that we don't know about.

Just do me a favor, and don't be quite so hasty to judge based on your own biases. Especially since none of us has any empirical proof to prove the validity of these claims either way, as of yet.

TheBorg

Hey Borg, long time! W'as up?

I've just been thinking on this, and I believe it is a matter of perspective. To a physcist it is all a bunch of rocks, to a geologist it is special rocks, to an engineer it is the position of rocks to form structures, to a pilot it is cities hidden between the rocks, archaeologists and artists see statues, we all see what we are trained to see in our own ways. Anomalies exist everywhere, especially on alien landscapes. Like you said, don't prove nuttin' till we get there.

And gettin' there is what this thread is about. We are wondering if someone already beat us to the punch, if the technology already exists. I think it has, for far longer than we care to imagine. And I think they used something we are still trying to find the answers to.

That doesn't mean we didn't use good ol' rocketry, tried and proven for maybe 3000 years? Heck, I am still a believer in steam power, just because it is tried and proven for the past 150 years and which concept extends all the way back to Hero of Alexandria first century Roman Egypt. But it does not automatically exclude novel forms of propulsion.

This novel form begs further study.

Ya i suppose i could be a little more open minded.Heh i would'nt even doubt that we do have bases on the moon.I just have yet to see a picture that looked even remotely odd or different.

For all we know the bases are underground and you will never be able to tell.I mean i dont understand why we would'nt have a base on the moon to study minerals the ground and whatever else could possibly be important.

I will go back and look at your picture,although im sure it will be more of the same i shall try lol.If it is even the slightest bit odd looking then ill throw you some credit,but everything else i have seen has been highlighted images of rock...

If i highlight certain parts of a picture of rock I can make whateevr i want appear.But these are not even that good lol.Again not being a jerk im just way way on the fence about these pictures even though i do believe we have bases up there.Or at least i think we should anyway.

edit horrible spelling and i'm sure i still missed some heh

[edit on 6-8-2007 by Project_Silo]

As far as I can tell, Nazi Germany had magazine articles about
space travel to mars and moon.

Space craft designs that were published were most likely the rocket
type.

Books in the 50s had bases on the moons of Jupiter.

Now its photo or video evidence of bases in outer space moons or planets,
its the same hogwash.

Now we have photo evidence of non mechanical Nazi saucers.
Its hard to think the masters of the saucers only had the FOO in WWII
Germany and wobbly saucers in New Mexico post WWII, but its true as
far as we or I can tell.

From
or
search carlsbad

Our town, Kermit, was around 325 miles E-S-E of White Sands Proving Grounds and
Alamogordo, New Mexico. My first memories of "flying discs" (the first designation) and "flying
saucers" (the second designation) which were sighted in the area, was in 1946, even before the
1947 "Mount Shasta" siting. Before I had seen a saucer in daylight, I had heard reports of them
from oilfield pumpers who worked the area northward, near Jal, Carlsbad and Roswell, New
Mexico, and had gotten other first-hand reports from several people who had seen them. From
those reports, I knew that saucers were real, because that was before reports of them had appeared
in newspapers, and the people sighting them really had no motive to say they had seen them unless
it was true, since there was no sensationalism associated with the phenomenon.

But sadly the saucer was probably not much more, but the Washington
DC UFOs were impressive.

I don't think rockets or saucers have made it off the earth to anywhere
else. And I don't think Carl Sagan was right about existence anywhere else
of life forms that compare to man made in the image of the creator.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I don't think rockets or saucers have made it off the earth to anywhere
else. And I don't think Carl Sagan was right about existence anywhere else
of life forms that compare to man made in the image of the creator.

That is a risky bet I wouldn't make. But let's get back to propulsion, maybe consider what a space drive is.
And let's find a way to get reports from the Large Hadron Collider. If you want to vindicate Tesla that would be it.

I just have an epiphany on another thread:


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Originally posted by D.E.M.
Indeed. That would explain why they decided to sink the entire Nazi U-boat fleet in deep destructive water off of Ireland, rather than scrap them and melt them down, too. Interesting info, thanks!


Me:
A good way to keep the secret and put the engine in the large football
field size aether ships.

I never thought of it that way, Lyne never says it outright.
It would be conjecture but he would not be against the idea.

Put the pure electric Dort generator used in the Nazi electric U-boats and
put them in the large Belgian Triangle type or larger air ships.

This was after:
See cook
Thats the Tesla oscillator talked about by Lyne in a video interview
posted in nine parts on YouTube. Thats the joke the reviewer of cook's
ZP talks about. It's been identified by Lyne who met with the builder's
son.

Atomic gases and magnetics provide direct a/c, even picks up earth's pole to pole electrical energy vibrations.

No nuclear hot pile making steam, that's nuclear not atomic.
Atomic is ZP. Nazi subs had them, well as the only story goes,
according to Lyne. Even if Germany's subs are mentioned in WWII
media productions, it won't mention correctly how much range they
achieved or how they did it. The new air snorkel was all she wrote
to the not telling all media release.


And:

D.E.M.:
TeslaandLyne, I haven’t heard of that one specifically, no. I had heard that the US smuggled quite a few top Nazi researchers out from under the fall of Germany, (Mengele didn't die at 70 in south America by luck, in my opinion), and I have heard of the Bell, and of the Uranium refining facilities that Hitler was building, but no that one, no.
Have you ever read, "The hunt for zero point" by nick cook? It is quite far-fetched at some points, but alot of what is contained could theoretically be plausible.


Me:
My last signature link is a big hit with conspiratists that upgraded the thought that the US government administration was acting like Nazis to evidence that
they are Nazis. Picture of Mengele included.
www.proliberty.com...

Tesla discovered ZP and don't think we need to go to any one else.
Too bad researcher Lyne had to spill the beans but don't think anyone
will pick them up correctly. Tesla is being locked by our government
in essence by not disclosing his works. Its a National Security issue
now and experimental work is secret. Don't think any thing past Lyne
of any substance will be known.

What Hitler and his German scientists did before, during and after WWII
is a big no tell zone by the CIA. Researcher Lyne did find some puzzling
ideas its true but at least he does not join in the CIA Nazi or what ever
cover. Lets say he does it his way. Have doubts of Hitler's demise, well
then assume alive and see what results. a story in itself. Sort of the
OPPOSITE story line.

Well as Lyne was living in New Mexico, the hot belt of saucers in America,
I take his word that the Roswell Aliens were dead left over rocket sled
monkeys.
And that saucers flu regularly in the New Mexico skies.
All after WWII.

Ed:Large Hadron Collider.. that nuclear, you need not go father than the
coil to energize ZP as Tesla has shown, basically nuclear is not needed
and using ZP magnetics too far in the wrong direction. Yes to blasting
Helium with a spark but put it on a Tesla engine.


[edit on 8/7/2007 by TeslaandLyne]