Wow! Real good video of a Flying Saucer in Oregon

Not a bad clip..looks convincing

Well to someone who knows what to look for, there are clues as to whats going on before you even get down analyising it with software..believe me I want it to be real but I dont think it is

Originally posted by MadMachinist
Originally posted by wildone106
If you check it closely you can see it does'nt stay locked with the background, find a reference point of cloud and see if it stays locked to that point or is moving (consistently?) I think neither is true. Its a very good fake but nonetheless, a fake

By the way I have some experience in visual media, as an animator/graphic artist for over 10+ years
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well thats good you have experience because so do i and unless you actualy analyze this video with software from my opinion there is no way to tell it is fake just by looking at it.

by calling it a fake with out actualy studying the video is wrong IMO this video here looks geniuine to me but i am not saying it is extraterrestrial, but it does look genuine.




[edit on 4/3/07 by MadMachinist] edited because quote would not work properly.

[edit on 4/3/07 by MadMachinist]

[edit on 4/3/07 by MadMachinist]

Originally posted by Slade88green

it is an airplane being filmed from a moving car.

I dont see this to be an airplane, no hint of common airplane features aka, wings, tail, exaust trails. It also seems to be moving too slow to be a commercial airliner. Looks to be possibly a blimp, but I could not say for certain what it is. As such I will say nice vid of a UFO.

We have no idea how fast it's moving, since we don't know what direction it's moving in or how far await is, or how big it is. If a plane, it could be moving away from the observer, and what you see are the wings. This, is in focus, and is, I am sure, a plane, but does it look like a plane?

The video quality is poor - we are constantly struggling with focus and jitter from the vehicle's motion. We don't get to see the object's motion consistently over a long enough period to draw any conclusion.

It looks more like it has the shape of a blimp.

What I wouldnt give for a really good shot of a UFO. I don't care if it's extraterrestial or not, just something clearly shot and unidentified.

The problem with every video and picture, is they are all out of focus, being shaken, or simply too far away to tell.

Unless that clip was recorded in or around Portland, there would be no purpose of having a Blimp anywhere else in Oregon. What audience would they be trying to reach with such an audacious advertisement? Drunken college-kids? Squirrels?

disownedsky, your link doesnt seem to work. But as planes fly even little puddle jumpers move faster then this. Watch the cloud formations, they hardly move in comparison. As far a commercial airliners, it seems to me, that no matter what direction they are flying, at some point in those minutes it would have 1. gotten smaller as the zoom limited out or 2. gotten to the edge of the window.
iDream, thanks for the images, looks like a blimp in those right down to the tailfins.

This Space For Rent

Originally posted by laiguana
What audience would they be trying to reach with such an audacious advertisement? Drunken college-kids? Squirrels?

Not all blimps are used for advertising. If you check out American Blimp's website you'll find they offer other applications for blimps:

www.americanblimp.com...

www.americanblimp.com...

Exactly what a blimp would be doing in the skies over western Oregon, I honestly don't know, but it wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with advertising.

yeah.. looks clear to me.. seems like they couldnt stop and film because it would have gotten out of sight..

nice shots for sure, you can see the glare off the ship or whatever it is.. and it seems to be real low..

good post thanks..

Originally posted by Majic

www.americanblimp.com...

www.americanblimp.com...

It's a good thing you mentioned this, I nearly forgot the other uses blimps serve. LOL

Fewer than 30 blimps are in use, and 19 of them were made by the American Blimp Corp. in Oregon, one of only a handful of companies making modern blimps. Another is a German company whose name is synonymous with dirigibles, Zeppelin, which has sold three in recent years, all for sightseeing.

link

This could very well be a blimp...though it looks a bit...SHINY

I'm condensing this video into a stable clip, using 74 frames that display the best details. Will post the edited clip when I'm done, but I can tell you this right now — It's not a blimp, and it's not a saucer-shape, either. Based on the captured frames I have so far, this appears to be an irregularly-shaped object, with an angular point protruding dead center. We'll probably all be surprised with the results when I generate the QuickTime movie. Please stand by.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 4/4/2007 by Doc Velocity]

I'll wait for Doc Velocity to do his magic on the video but it does not look like a blimp or conventional aircraft to me. nor does it appear to be cgi because between 23seconds and 27seconds the object goes behind the electrical wires fluidly... if this was faked it was done well. IMO it actually moves in relation to the shakes, not with them.

Originally posted by kronos11
I'll wait for Doc Velocity to do his magic on the video but it does not look like a blimp or conventional aircraft to me. nor does it appear to be cgi because between 23seconds and 27seconds the object goes behind the electrical wires fluidly.

Well, I've been through the video frame-by-frame, paying particular attention to the apparent obstacles (trees, wires, and what looks like the car interior), and I was surprised to see the object passing in front of the wires.

Now, before anybody jumps to conclusions, I'll hasten to add that the power lines do not appear as solid, opaque obstacles — due to the low-quality capture rate of the video, the wires are somewhat smeared and transluscent, so the object appears to pass right through them. I can live with that.

Also, the object seems to disappear completely behind the trees, even though a lot of daylight is coming through the branches. I can live with this, as well, since the low-rez camera is obviously trying to compensate for the sudden high-contrast lighting. It recaptures the object immediately after the trees pass, as the camera seems to recover against the low-contrast sky.

There are also some typical low-rez video artifacts in the footage, such as double-images of the object and the power lines. So, if it was CGI, then the hoaxter went to a lot of trouble to install video glitches and plain old digital garbage that only appear in a couple of frames at a time.

I'm still working on the video clip (about 1/3 complete), but I'm satisfied that the original is a legitimate video capture — I mean, it's far too sloppy to be a work of art, in my opinion. I did find myself wondering if this footage was obtained with a cellphone camera, because it's just a digital mess.

But I'm anticipating some really strange results regarding the object itself — the light and shadow falling on the object changes in a very peculiar manner, indicating that the oddly-shaped object is turning relative to the light source, possibly like a geometric shape rotating, each side picking up the light in its own way.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 4/5/2007 by Doc Velocity]

Okeee... I took the original Portland video and went through it frame-by-frame, capturing only the sharpest and most interesting frames. Of the entire video, I extracted 74 such single frames that provided the most detail. Using these 74 frames in sequential order, I enlarged and scaled all of the actual UFO images to the same size, then centered them in a control frame and ran them through QuickTime to generate the following "stabilized" looped movie of the UFO:

Oregon UFO Clip: Doc Velocity's Edit

As I mentioned earlier, the entire original video was a digital mess, and it didn't help to have such a low-contrast subject and background. However, I did see that the light & shadow rolled across the UFO in an irregular fashion, which seems to suggest that the object is a polygon of some kind that we're viewing on-edge. Notice the protrusion that keeps appearing in mid-body, repeatedly catching the light as it turns past us. I can't tell if it's a triangle, or a square, or a pentagon on-edge, but it sure as hell isn't a nice smooth blimp (nor a classic saucer).

NOTE: For this one, you might want to stop the loop and click through it frame-by-frame. You can see some very odd changes in light and shadow across the body of the craft.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 4/5/2007 by Doc Velocity]

Note the way the craft stays in place while the car is moving. If you've ever been in a car while a plane flies parallel with you, it will be have the same way. The burst of light may have been a small amount of sunlight that broke through the clouds, reflecting off the plane.

My $0.02




TheRanchMan

Originally posted by TheRanchMan
The burst of light may have been a small amount of sunlight that broke through the clouds, reflecting off the plane.

Possibly, but a burst of sunlight doesn't explain the odd and different ways in which the the object is illuminated and shaded throughout the video. In plodding through the frames, I was puzzled to find the apparent light source changing dramatically and repeatedly. Below are illustrations of 4 basic shading patterns that kept appearing over and over in the video:



We know the light source is the sun, so the lighting is stationary. Therefore, it would seem that the object is changing angles relative to its light source. However, throughout the video, we know the object remains basically horizontal relative to the viewer — so how did some of these pronounced shading effects occur? Is it illuminated from above, or from the side? And how could a burst of direct sunlight suddenly glare from the object's surface without also illuminating the object uniformly from above?

As you can see in the illustration (and in the edited clip), the bright spot on the object's surface is seemingly associated with shadows, as if it is a protrusion of some kind that is both catching sunlight while casting its own shadow.

And this "protrusion" appears at different points along the object's profile over the course of the video. I pondered this for a time before guessing that we are looking at an irregularly-shaped or polygonal object that is rotating in such a way that we are seeing it on-edge. As the "corners" rotate past us, the highlights and shadows change dramatically and repeatedly.

I mean, in reviewing the edited clip, I can easily imagine that I'm looking edge-on at a big, flat, triangular-shaped object rotating in front of me, with the (blunt?) corners catching the light and casting shadows as they rotate across my field of vision. I'm not saying that it's a triangle or a square or anything else — there's just not enough data to make that call.

But I don't think it's an airplane. I believe this object is close enough that the videographer could distinguish it as an airplane — if that's what it was — so why bother even recording it unless it was something very unusual in the eyewitness's experience?

— Doc Velocity

Wow, Doc.


You kicked my ass.



That's why you're my friend.


TheRanchMan

Pardon The Protrusion, But...

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
As you can see in the illustration (and in the edited clip), the bright spot on the object's surface is seemingly associated with shadows, as if it is a protrusion of some kind that is both catching sunlight while casting its own shadow.

Do you consider it possible that this is a light source moving along the object?

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
I mean, in reviewing the edited clip, I can easily imagine that I'm looking edge-on at a big, flat, triangular-shaped object rotating in front of me, with the (blunt?) corners catching the light and casting shadows as they rotate across my field of vision. I'm not saying that it's a triangle or a square or anything else — there's just not enough data to make that call.

But I don't think it's an airplane. I believe this object is close enough that the videographer could distinguish it as an airplane — if that's what it was — so why bother even recording it unless it was something very unusual in the eyewitness's experience?

— Doc Velocity

Doc, as I can read from your title, you are a disinformation specialist. Is this again a job from you?
Joke! Great Job you are doing
On the other hand, when we watch the full clip, it seems like a glimp which is sometimes reflecting the sun and sometimes being shadowed by clouds. I would record a glimp, since it is rare to capture.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by manastin]

I'm the one that took the video, just found this site this morning. I was in the passenger seat and leaned over a bit towards my husband, getting the video between his face and the windwing. I could only see, with my eyes, a shiny dot that resembled what I saw and photographed last year. It was going from shiny to dark to shiny and it was very hard to find it in the viewfinder. When I was recording, I couldn't see it in the viewfinder when it was dark. My husband looked that way a few times but couldn't see it at all. I don't think it disappeared behind the trees, but I couldn't find it again. I only have about 16 secs of video, the one that is posted is the 16 secs at regular speed and then slowed to half speed. I was really expecting to be able to see wings on it when we viewed it on the tv. We were in an old truck hauling a long load to Medford. The truck is very bouncy and I am sorry we didn't stop. It is a two lane rd. with soft shoulders. My husband says he will stop next time even if he doesn't see what I'm looking at and even if we block traffic. I don't have the cord to plug my cam (sony dcr-hc38) into the computer so we plugged it into our dvd recorder. Then took the clip from the disc with windows movie maker. All I did in windows movie maker is put the clip in there twice, the second half I slowed to half speed, and took out the noise from the truck. Then I saved it twice, one time at 2.35MB and one time at 59.3MB hoping to get a better quality, but I don’t see a difference. I am willing to mail the larger file or both to anyone willing to mail me back a copy of their enhanced or stabilized version. Just send me a message at you tube with your mailing info, and please keep my info private as I will for anyone that wants a copy. Please, if you only want to play with it and are not serious, download it from google video. I don’t know what it is but I would like to find out even if it turns out to be a plane or a blimp. Btw I didn’t know there was a place that made blimps near here. Oh and where it looks like something is shooting out of it, I think that is a bird flying. I did get a couple frames from it that I thought were interesting. Here are two frames, original and then enlarged.








google video

Originally posted by manastin
Doc, as I can read from your title, you are a disinformation specialist. Is this again a job from you?

No, a while back, I was involved in a discussion/debate/flame-war with a troll here on ATS — and, toward the end, as I provided documents and links and photos and illustrations to substantiate my side of the argument, he (or she) was reduced to name-calling. Typical troll. Anyway, the loser started calling me a "disinformation specialist," and every time he (or she) saw me posting on ATS, he (or she) rushed in to denounce me as a disinformation specialist... So, I decided to just save him (or her) the trouble, and inserted it as my title.

And, no, I didn't produce the original Oregon video here — all I did was go through the video frame-by-frame, choose those frames with the sharpest detail of the UFO, then sequence those into a brief QuickTime clip, so you can compare how the sharpest details vary from one frame to the next. Sometimes this editing process reveals surprising details that even I don't expect.

— Doc Velocity