Lucid Dreaming - Dream Control

I know dreams are something personel. But can you give an example of one of your LD dreams? I would like to know how much they are different or simular to my LD dreams I had and the other point, I like to read stories, specially dream stories.

Originally posted by Saturn
Have you ever heard of LD4ALL? Or Dream Views? They are 2 great sources of information about lucid dreaming. Also, there are a lot of people in the forums to help you out w/ your problems.

FYI: I've never tried this, but in one of those forums it describes how to attempt an out of body experience by lucid dreaming. Basically, while you are dreaming, just start flying up as high as you can until you feel yourself leave your body. If you've ever gone into an LD by Sleeping Paralysis, or experienced a WILD (Waking Induced Lucid Dream), it is supposed to feel similar to that. Good Luck!

Actually its funny you should say that, the other night i flew right up into orbit and then back down crashing into the ground to display my powers to some dream characters lol

Originally posted by Novise
If you are having trouble having dialogue with dream characters and want to improve it, I would take the time to meditate and practice recall (dream journalling) on these meetings with them and try to recall as best you can what was said. Over time this should make it happen more naturally inside the dream, and make it clearer, in my theory.

Why don't you give us some tips? How do you teleport yourself, how do you change the environment at will? Can you make yourself fly as fast as you want?

Can you tell us how your lucid dreaming ability evolved. You don't just wake up one day able to do all this stuff. What things did you learn to do first? What builds on what as you get better at this? What is the main thing a lucid dreamer should work on that makes this level of control possible?

Also, do you know you are dreaming right when it starts? Do your dreams start out differently than a non-lucid dreamer's would? You described it as "logging in to the matrix." What does the matrix look like right when you get there?

[edit on 3-4-2007 by Novise]

Ok.

Well to begin with it when i was very young, id come to the realisation that i was dreaming very late into the dream, when something rediculously abnormal would happen. But the trouble was i would then always wake up once i realised i was dreaming. And thats the way it stayed for many years, and i wouldnt lucid dream very frequently. I always used to try and stop myself waking up by holding my eyelids shut tight, but to no avail.

The first time i managed to stay within the dream was by not trying to stop myself from waking up, as if the act of holding my eyes shut and worrying that i would wake up worsened the situation. Thats as much detail as i can give you on that, because from that day when i managed to stay within the dream i have always been able to. Maybe its a confidence thing, once you know you can then your not worried that you wont, and therefore dont wake up.

The dream powers have evolded thro practice, its almost like meditating within the dream. And beleif in being able to do so. If i really want to acheive something i would close my eyes within the dream and consentrate on doing so. This used to be really hard, but i have found the trick is letting go. Focusing on the fact that the dream is a construct of your own mind. Like when you close your eyes and imagine something. Same process really. But its easier said then done. Its taken years to harsness the dream powers to the level that they are now.

They key is practice. The more confidence you have in being able to have a lucid dream the easier it is to do so. And that goes for the powers too, once you figure out how to fly, then you know you can, and it becomes easier.

Because i have been doing this for years now it takes very little effort to perform these feats within the dreams, but it takes more effort the more you try increase the power of the abilties. But once you can, its just a matter of building opon them.

Two nights ago i was displaying what i could do to people in the dream ( i do this alot) and i was creating little forks of lightning between my hands and fingers, which took little effort at all. But then by focusing and really beleiving i could i then managed to build on that and create huge balls of energy from my hands and fire them into the sky. But that wasnt easy.

I hope this better explains the process

Originally posted by g210b

I know dreams are something personel. But can you give an example of one of your LD dreams? I would like to know how much they are different or simular to my LD dreams I had and the other point, I like to read stories, specially dream stories.

Well alot of my lucid dreams start breifly with a normal dream. But it dosnt take very long to realise i am dreaming. I do get a distinct feeling when i realise im dreaming tho. Its as if the lucid dream is halfway between reality and dreams, because the realism of the dream dramatically increases. I can feel more and see more, and there is alot more clarity to the dream. Such as feeling and hearing the wind, and the depth of the enviroment around me becomes more akin to reality, as oposed to the wrapped in cotton wool feeling of a standard dream. But not quite as cold and hard as reality.

But from there the dreams are whatever i wish them to be, its usually just a random real world location with which to play with, i.e a city, woods, desert, standard locations to toy with. And i usually spend my time seeing how far i can push my abilities and displaying them to dream characters.

Originally posted by LondonCalling

But from there the dreams are whatever i wish them to be, its usually just a random real world location with which to play with, i.e a city, woods, desert, standard locations to toy with. And i usually spend my time seeing how far i can push my abilities and displaying them to dream characters.

And this does not become boring to you? I mean this I would do once or twice maybe a number of times but somewhen soon it became boring for me because there is no surprise if I self create the scenery.

You display your abilities to dream characters? That is interesting. How do they react?

Thanks for going into more detail LondonCalling. It sounds like you do have a lot of dialogue with the characters in your dreams.

It sounds like you do the same thing with your dream characters that I do, interact and have fun with them. My favorite thing is to slowly make somebody fly or float up several feet into the air and back down and watch their reaction.

So now I am wondering, do you have to let go of the story line of the dream in order to change the environment? Or is it kept in some strange way?

Also I am wondering, what can you say about the time element of your dreams? If you are lucid for extended periods of time, does it feel like a short time or does it feel like forever? Or something in between?

Very interesting to be able to talk with someone like you about this. I dream a lot, and remember a lot, I get lucid about once every two weeks.

If I was to comment on your situation where the real world almost feels like you are dreaming, I would say your experiences and your personality from your dreams are taking up a larger portion of your mind, your mind is more interested in them, and your mind is using them to shape your "perceptual set" or "perceptual framework" Really interesting yea? Your dreams are influencing your mind's choices in it's hard wiring. Because they are a large portion effectively, of your mind's recalled experiences.

Originally posted by LondonCalling

Yeah thats the problem, the limits to what i can do and control in my dreams now is near on unlimited, except for one thing. And thats trying to get information out of people, or reading and text i find. It never makes any sense, just strings of completley unrelated words.

I've tried asking some of my dream people something like, 'what does it all mean?'.....and been given some sort of written response that I can read,in my dream. It's something that makes soooo much sense, and as soon as I wake up, I can't remember what it said. It's somewhat depressing....have the answer and totally forgetting it.

I don't get many LD's now, my sleep gets disturbed most nights.....and that seems to 'short circuit' them. When I do get one, I try to make it as fantastic as possible.....and I eventually loose control of some element of it and wake myself up.

I've had several that start in a strange house, but it's mine. I realize it's a dream and start looking around, poking my nose in every door. Every room I see is pilled high with the most amazing stuff! I have much better luck staying asleep and remembering details after I wake.....My husband says these dreams are my 'trips to packrat heaven'!! For some reason they are very relaxing.....

Words and numbers in Dreams.

I don't know about all of you but words and numbers are not absolute in dreams, in fact they change while looking at them for more than a few moments. That is one way I know I am in a dream words on anything change right before my eyes.

Originally posted by g210b

Originally posted by LondonCalling

But from there the dreams are whatever i wish them to be, its usually just a random real world location with which to play with, i.e a city, woods, desert, standard locations to toy with. And i usually spend my time seeing how far i can push my abilities and displaying them to dream characters.

And this does not become boring to you? I mean this I would do once or twice maybe a number of times but somewhen soon it became boring for me because there is no surprise if I self create the scenery.

You display your abilities to dream characters? That is interesting. How do they react?

I dont know really, i havent got bored of it yet, the abilities i have are just too fun to get bored of lol I could traverse the universe if i wanted, so theres plenty to do.

As for the dream characters, they usually just act completley bemused, almost unresponsive.

Originally posted by Novise
Thanks for going into more detail LondonCalling. It sounds like you do have a lot of dialogue with the characters in your dreams.

It sounds like you do the same thing with your dream characters that I do, interact and have fun with them. My favorite thing is to slowly make somebody fly or float up several feet into the air and back down and watch their reaction.

So now I am wondering, do you have to let go of the story line of the dream in order to change the environment? Or is it kept in some strange way?

Also I am wondering, what can you say about the time element of your dreams? If you are lucid for extended periods of time, does it feel like a short time or does it feel like forever? Or something in between?

Very interesting to be able to talk with someone like you about this. I dream a lot, and remember a lot, I get lucid about once every two weeks.

If I was to comment on your situation where the real world almost feels like you are dreaming, I would say your experiences and your personality from your dreams are taking up a larger portion of your mind, your mind is more interested in them, and your mind is using them to shape your "perceptual set" or "perceptual framework" Really interesting yea? Your dreams are influencing your mind's choices in it's hard wiring. Because they are a large portion effectively, of your mind's recalled experiences.

I do have some dialogue, but its mostly me asking, or showing the other people things with not much reaction.

As for the time frame its had to explain, they are usually relatively short, but i wake from them feeling like ive been dreaming for a long time. But more often then not ill close my eyes and go back to sleep and have another go lol

I can change the dream and make it whatever i want really. Story line too, or i can keep it. Alot of the time i leave it as it is and toy with whats already happening so it keeps an element of surprise.

Originally posted by Realtruth
Words and numbers in Dreams.

I don't know about all of you but words and numbers are not absolute in dreams, in fact they change while looking at them for more than a few moments. That is one way I know I am in a dream words on anything change right before my eyes.

Yeah i get exactly that, the words change and make no sense and when i try and read it over its a bunch of new random words. Not even meaningfull words. it could be "parrot walking burger man point hair balloon" just gibberish really haha

Originally posted by LondonCalling
Yeah i get exactly that, the words change and make no sense and when i try and read it over its a bunch of new random words.

This is actually part of a common method to have lucid dreams - that is, you spend some of each day looking at text and thinking about whether you're dreaming. During the day, you're not dreaming so text looks normal. When you catch yourself performing this check while asleep, you will wake up into the dream when you notice text getting all muddled up. This works for me every time.

I have lucid dreams occassionally but always after going back into sleep.
I can wake up and go back into a dream and change the events occuring into a direction that I prefer. However I do not ever fall asleep with the intent of controlling my dreams. I suppose if I tried it might be possible but for now my experiences are all after re-entering the dream state.

Originally posted by Novise
My favorite thing is to slowly make somebody fly or float up several feet into the air and back down and watch their reaction.

That is an idea!
I just figured I never tried to apply dream abilities on dream characters directly. With good intentions and respect to the charcater I will try this once.

I tried once to show some dream characters my dream abilities and observed their reaction. It seemed like it was normal to them that someone (me) has this abilities in their 'dream' world. So at the end it was me that was a bit puzzeled because I really had expected another reaction.
However it made as much sense as it made no sense. They took not only part in the dream, they were the dream. At least in this dream.

A little next the topic but maybe one can help me with this:

I had an unusuall LD start yesterday. It started with me in front of my closed sleeping room door. And I heard a very loud almost clean tone.
I figured I can manipulate/modulate it, and so I pitched it up and with this it's intensity increased also till I head the impression that my mind blows. It was really really loud. When I couldn't handle it anymore I went right through the closed door and was then outside flying in a nice sommer day like in a 'normal' for me familair LD. The tone was gone.

Has anyone an idea what the tone was good for? I never head such in my dream. But it also seems not to had impact on anything. Like just a loud and 'useless?' tone that was there..

Originally posted by g210b

Has anyone an idea what the tone was good for? I never head such in my dream. But it also seems not to had impact on anything. Like just a loud and 'useless?' tone that was there..

I think I read something about this high pitching sound in connection with OOBE/NDE...

I will try to remember...

edit:
got it... it`s NDE (near death experience)

The second stage of an NDE is "the noise". This is an unusual auditory sensation experienced by the individual as he or she leaves the physical body, and sometimes as he travels through "the tunnel" (described later). It is described variously as "a buzzing sound", "a loud click", "a banging sound", "a beautiful majestic musical sound", or "Japanese bell-like wind chimes". Such sounds are many times associated with a feeling of movement through space.

source

[edit on 4-4-2007 by untilted]

I had an unusuall LD start yesterday. It started with me in front of my closed sleeping room door. And I heard a very loud almost clean tone.
I figured I can manipulate/modulate it, and so I pitched it up and with this it's intensity increased also till I head the impression that my mind blows. It was really really loud. When I couldn't handle it anymore I went right through the closed door and was then outside flying in a nice sommer day like in a 'normal' for me familair LD. The tone was gone.

Has anyone an idea what the tone was good for? I never head such in my dream. But it also seems not to had impact on anything. Like just a loud and 'useless?' tone that was there..

Are you sure you couldn't handle it anymore? Well in what way could you no longer handle it? I mean did you get bored of it, or were you annoyed at it? Was it "pushing" you out of the room?

Because you are in your room, and you go through your door, I have to say it's not "just" a dream on this one. I guess it would depend on your other experience with AP and EP (etheric projection).

But I can tell you that for me the noise itself is not just an AP thing, I've had it happen in dreams and lucid dreams. Dreams which became lucid once I realized I'd be deaf if that was real, and if my dream was real.

I think the noise originates from the borders of all these different levels of conciousness. Once it has been experienced though, the mind should be able to bring it back whenever, especially inside of a dream.

So I'm wondering what other astral projection and meditation type stuff you have experienced? And what caused you to think you could no longer handle the noise?

Ah thanks untiltet and novice,

Originally posted by untilted
NDE is "the noise".
..It is described variously as "a buzzing sound", "a loud click", "a banging sound", "a beautiful majestic musical sound", or "Japanese bell-like wind chimes".

I know a little about this. A noise is also often described in compagny of the OBE, body separation. Some seem to heara noise some not. Thank you for looking this up.

Honestly I don't think it was that kind of noise. It was more a clean tone/noise with a specific frequence that I could increase in the height.

Originally posted by Novise
Are you sure you couldn't handle it anymore? Well in what way could you no longer handle it? I mean did you get bored of it, or were you annoyed at it? Was it "pushing" you out of the room?

It seemes to lead nowhere and It was very loud. I really got the feeling of my mind vibrating/shakeing terrible and it was not that pleasure and for a moment I started to worry that it can harm my mind physical. I knew it is a dream but sometimes a dream can be more than just a dream.

Originally posted by Novise
Because you are in your room, and you go through your door, I have to say it's not "just" a dream on this one. I guess it would depend on your other experience with AP and EP (etheric projection).

Through doors and walls i walk a lot when i become lucid. Often I also jump out of the windows.. Sometimes this jump changes everything and like I figured can lead to breathtakeing astral projection.

Originally posted by Novise
So I'm wondering what other astral projection and meditation type stuff you have experienced?

The most time I had interesting lucid dreams. Sometimes very interesting that came as an answer.
One such that impressed me most was about free will and predictable future (destiny).
I awoke lucid in a 'set up' dream (not by me) with the knowledge what was going to happen (bad destiny) and the free will to change it. The dream ended as it was predicted to me although I had it in the hand to change the outcome completly and original wanted to. But my very nature did the chooses that lead to that wheras in the process the destiny changed it's quality in my view from something bad to something I wanted to experience. Therefore I let it happen and missed the chance to prove to myslef that destiny does not exist.

About OBE, Astral projections and meditation. Although I am interested I am not very experiecned in that field. I am not good in mediation and that is not a good precondition. However triggered from my LD's I had some visits in the astral world. I figured this out later that some of my LD's had indeed lead to AP's. In the few AP's I had the surroundings becames very vivide and bright and I meet beings with an inner light/glow. Later I figured that light is pure love. I could never imagine what was meant with all this light and love talk you read a lot. But in one AP that started from my LD I found myself at a place where this beings there emitted this intense light and love. It was an overhelming joy feeling. A happiness not to describe. A place you do not like to leave. AP is really a wonderful thing if you have it. But I do not have this in control. I can not project at my will. What I miss till now is an OBE close to the physical lvl. I never had such one.

Just that APs tend to start out near the body, and dreams tend to start out other places. Still there are exceptions, just seemed more likely you had some sort of OOBE. But it seems like a lot of your dreams start out this way I guess.

That noise... it's interesting, because it does not have to be in an OOBE, I've had similar happen to me in the middle of dreams. Must be more to it, but I don't know what.

Maybe it comes out as a useless pitch, because our mind is unable to create and (more importantly) decipher the meaning/experience properly. Cause what's happening anyways? The mind is both creating and experiencing (or at least involved in both, in some fashion I think we can agree that it has some say in both). Like when you hold the microphone up to the speakers, and you get feedback... Strangely, it almost sounds like that can't it? Hmmm

I've had a few lucid dreams and they were fantastic.

However, I havn't been lucid in my dreams for a while.

Perhaps it's time to start trying once again.

I'm glad you made this thread, its about time we had one on lucid dreaming and its so intriguing to read other peoples experiences and be able to relate to them.

I'm very curious on the following.......

Have you ever got tangled in power line cables when flying, power line cables around or above cloud level or had to try dodging them..? I've noticed these myself quite a lot and then read a website about them not long ago and it really got me wondering if they had a purpose or something.

When you move objects do you squint your eyes, tense slightly and then use voice commands such as 'that.. move there' and point to where you want it moved to? this is how I move things/characters.

Have you ever been able to taste anything? Food and water seems to dissolve when I swallow it.

Have you ever noticed some sort of eerie electric energy above the clouds or anywhere else which comes in blanket form coverin the sky or in small patches and it makes a buzzing noise and gives you a strange shock at the touch? I've come to realise that this has been in my dreams all my life but only recently have I started to inspect it more.

When passing through walls are your senses heightened for that brief moment.. for example: when I pass through walls, I sort of sense the texture and taste of the material until I get to the other side.

What method do you usually use for flying? breaststroke myself though I have tried others.

Can you breathe under water? I usually act as if I cant but then when I realise I'm dreaming, I just open my mouth and breathe normally.

Do you use any method to maintain lucidity when you feel yourself fading out? myself I've started looking at my hands and then everything seems to fade back in again. I didn't think this method would do anything when I first read about it but it definitely works for me.

I'm looking forward to your replies on these!