VIDEO: Royal Navy Crewman 'Confess' on Iranian Television

Originally posted by thematrix
The irony is that the US with the UK's cooperation has been kidnapping people from their own countries all over the world, holding and torturing these foreign nationals in prisons for years now and the outcry about that is limited and mostly non existent.

No irony and no comparison, IMHO.
Those UK (and US) troops are operating under the auspices of the UN under UNSCR 1723. Big, *big* difference.

Now Iran captures enemy troops (yes, the US and UK are Irans enemies, you practicaly declared war on Iran with the bullocks you've been trowing at them for quite some time now) exploiting these people for what, about a week and everyone is crying and whining in outrage and calling to goto war on Iran.

Well, if we are their enemy how come Tehran is still standing and no military action of any kind has taken place? Please provide more information regarding the fact we have "declared war on Iran with the bullocks we've been throwing at them for quite some time now". Actually don't, start a new topic on the subject and I'm sure we can discuss it further there. Let's stick to facts in this thread...

Treat people like you wish to be treated and quit whining like little spoiled brats.

Always.

Cheers,
Zep

[edit on 30-3-2007 by Zep Tepi]

I seem to remember the US being the enemy of and being at war with Russia for several decades without them ever fighting an actual battle.

And yes, your right, this situation doesn't compare, Iranian troops captured UK troops that were possibly trespassing in their waters, its a military vs military confrontation.

The US on the other hand have been completely illegaly kidnapping, torturing and detaining civilians from all over the world.



[edit on 30/3/07 by thematrix]

One thing I know... is that the media loves to bend the truth and get people to believe what they want them to believe, wether it is the Al Alam network or CNN.

So, have they figured out what side of the water they were in yet? I haven't really heard anything about it.

Wolf asks a good question. Does anyone have links to update maps? I'm sure that there must be atleast one UK source by now that can give us a good map of the crime scene.

Originally posted by thematrix
The irony is that the US with the UK's cooperation has been kidnapping people from their own countries all over the world, holding and torturing these foreign nationals in prisons for years now and the outcry about that is limited and mostly non existent.

Now Iran captures enemy troops (yes, the US and UK are Irans enemies, you practicaly declared war on Iran with the bullocks you've been trowing at them for quite some time now) exploiting these people for what, about a week and everyone is crying and whining in outrage and calling to goto war on Iran.

Treat people like you wish to be treated and quit whining like little spoiled brats.

Dont you ever get tired of this anti-american propaganda? What purpose does it serve besides causing arguements? I don't see anything productive you've added to the discussion.. just the same old "US/UK is evil" and a bunch of vague accusations thrown in without proof.

What has Belgium done for the world? Is your country perfect? Your government has never done anything of questionable nature? I noticed your sig, are you saying your political leaders have never changed positions/policies? Please show me a country with 100% honest politicians who never change their mind... or a country that has never made any controversial decisions.

The only reason people like you run around screaming about the US is that its a powerful nation. Almost all nations are the same, they have some flaws and make some wrong moves, its just that the US is such a powerful nation that we get bashed and hated by people like you who want to blame someone else for the world's problems. I love how all the anti-american bigots fail to mention all the financial, humanitarian, technilogical etc aid the US has spread across the world.. the millions of people US medicines, tech, financial aid etc has saved across the world. Can your country come even close to comparing in this aspect to the US? I doubt it.

I'm sure I can do a little googling and find plenty of problems with your country too.. and make a bunch of accusations of how bad your country is too.. but what purpose would that serve? If your country suddenly became a super power overnight, I'm sure the very next day you'd have people aroudn the world saying how much they hate you and your country and make baseless accusations or cite every little mistake your leaders made.. How would you feel about that? Not so great I bet, its easy to judge and hate others rather then facing your own issues or doing something to change things. Sigh.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by nybaseball44]

[edit on 30-3-2007 by nybaseball44]

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
Wolf asks a good question. Does anyone have links to update maps? I'm sure that there must be atleast one UK source by now that can give us a good map of the crime scene.

But how are we to believe any maps?

So far I've only seen sketchy maps published by the media showing the British GPS claims.

If you go to the video from the Iranian briefing on the disputed positions I posted earlier, you get by far the most detailed map, obviously with a lot of information. But as we don't understand what's being said it's hard to make anything out of it.

Again I ask for Farsi speaking members to come forward and help us with a translated summary.

Anyway on the video between 00:53 and 00:45 you have a detailed view of the map. I post it here as a single post.

The hardest point for us discussing this is --as I see it-- who to believe.

Whatever I wish the British could just give an apology and this would be over in less than 24 hours.

Remember when North Korea test fired those rockets and an Iranian offical was there to witness it?
I believe that when North Korea had their nuclear test blast not too long ago that it was a deversion as they gave the Iranians one if not more nuclear weapons. The test were a display for the Iranians of what they had purchased.
That is why North Korea has steped out of the spotlight recently and Iran has taken over the news.
I believe they have these weapons pointed at Israel right now and are trying to provoke a war so they can press the button and claim self defence. Would they not strike Israel first sence it is the closest threat to them and we all know that Israel has tactical strike plans on Irans nuclear program?
When attacked Iran will declare it to be WW3 and all of their enemies are open to attack.
Think about this game plan. Provoke an attack while making yourself look justified to your nieghbors and supporters. As soon as the first bomb drops, declare war and nuke Israel. Israel is a small nation and one moderate sized nuke would level them. If they place it exactly right it could hinder Israel from firing back. Soon after the nuke hits, the "Army of God" attack with everything they have from across the Lebanon boarder.
Iran would be betting that even though they launched a nuke, America and the coilition would not use one themselves. Instead they would attack by invasion and get bogged down in a super horrindous and messy war that they could not win.
After months of frustraiting war America pulls out their troops and warns all Iranian citizens to leave the country and prepares to turn Iran into a parking lot. North Korea suddenly invades South Korea slaughtering thousands of US troops and then they attack Japan. The world has no other choice than to defend their own and the greatest deterant is the Nuclear Bomb.
Iranians and most Muslims believe this must come to pass before the Mahdi will rise and Jesus will join him in bringing peace and unity to the planet, all united under Islam.

Here's a BBC article stating the US won't enter in any exchange of captives.

CBC Radio News Canada is reporting that a deal for the Brits in exchange for the 5 Iranians is in the works... First report was at 1:00AM Eastern. Next report due at 2:00AM Eastern try this Windows media streaming audio link link for the broadcast at 2 AM.

origin.www.cbc.ca...

Fingers-crossed

[edit on 31-3-2007 by V Kaminski]

Bizzare - the item wasn't on the 2 O'Clock - instead they had a bit on Blair and that Scotty's remains are going to space. There was no retraction either... I hope the news item comes back and was true ... if not I'll be required to apologize. CBC is usually very reliable, especially the raidio-news service. I promise to follow up.

[edit on 31-3-2007 by V Kaminski]

Here's is a very good and detailedinteractive map of the area in question

BTW Justin, how are your analysis of the body language of the captives going?

Originally posted by nybaseball44
Dont you ever get tired of this anti-american propaganda? What purpose does it serve besides causing arguements? I don't see anything productive you've added to the discussion.. just the same old "US/UK is evil" and a bunch of vague accusations thrown in without proof.

What has Belgium done for the world? Is your country perfect? Your government has never done anything of questionable nature? I noticed your sig, are you saying your political leaders have never changed positions/policies? Please show me a country with 100% honest politicians who never change their mind... or a country that has never made any controversial decisions.

The only reason people like you run around screaming about the US is that its a powerful nation. Almost all nations are the same, they have some flaws and make some wrong moves, its just that the US is such a powerful nation that we get bashed and hated by people like you who want to blame someone else for the world's problems. I love how all the anti-american bigots fail to mention all the financial, humanitarian, technilogical etc aid the US has spread across the world.. the millions of people US medicines, tech, financial aid etc has saved across the world. Can your country come even close to comparing in this aspect to the US? I doubt it.

I'm sure I can do a little googling and find plenty of problems with your country too.. and make a bunch of accusations of how bad your country is too.. but what purpose would that serve? If your country suddenly became a super power overnight, I'm sure the very next day you'd have people aroudn the world saying how much they hate you and your country and make baseless accusations or cite every little mistake your leaders made.. How would you feel about that? Not so great I bet, its easy to judge and hate others rather then facing your own issues or doing something to change things. Sigh.

Cool, a nooby signs up just to bash me and "my country".

I grew up in "the hood" in NYC and have no sympathy for anything the squaters in the highest office in the USofA do or want to do.

You don't know me and you have no clue who I am, what I am or where I come from.

Reading that "Location" is belgium means only that the physical location I'm currently at is in Belgium.

You are now on my ignore list, I don't take personal attacks, PERIOD.

Originally posted by khunmoon
BTW Justin, how are your analysis of the body language of the captives going?

So far, I've got a whole four minutes of video on VHS. That's not a lot to work with.

Here's what I have on the woman sailor.

--She's deliberately not looking at the camera.

--Her speech patterns indicate that she's trying to say the exact same thing each time she speaks.

--Placement of hands suggests stress.

--Rigid posture suggests stress.

--Behavior while smoking indicates that she's not getting regular nicotine fixes.

I've got somebody working on a digital image of her eyes. I'm looking for signs of sleep deprivation or narco interrogation.

More analysis as it becomes available.

Who we are dealing with in this game very few outside the inner Iranian circles knows.
Wildest card in turbulent landscape lies beyond reach of normal diplomacy

An OP in the Sunday Observer is exploring the same question set in the live diplomatic events going on right now.
The feuding camps behind Iran crisis

Anyone considered the posibility that these 15 Brits could be being held as insurance to avert any possible "sneak attack" on their government/military headquarters or nuclear sites?

If they were to let the British know through back channels that the 15 soldiers are being held at likely targets it might give (a public relations) pause to those contemplating an attack.

It would'nt look to good if British allies blew up 15 British soldiers ONTOP of breaking international law in attacking sovereign Iran without a UN mandate.

I could'nt think of a better wedge to cram between two close allies such as this. Blair would be finished if these 15 troops were killed by American/Israeli agression against Iran, and the Iranians know it. Breaking the "special relationship" between the US and the UK would be a coup for Iran.

[edit on 31/3/07 by subz]

That's very likely, and they obviously drags it out, as insurance against a Good Friday attack.

I've no doubt the Iranians won't hesitate to do like the Serbs did in Bosnia, chain service personel to targets.

[edit on 1-4-2007 by khunmoon]

I don't know if this is the same confessions or 2 new confessions but Iranian TV plans to air 2 confessions.

Iranian Channel Aims to Air 'Confession'

Iran's Arabic-language channel said Sunday it planned to air "confessions" from two of the 15 British sailors seized by Iran 10 days ago, as the British government said it was in direct contact with Iran over the captive crew.

The satellite channel Al-Alam said it would broadcast excerpts of what it said were "confessions." The station broadcast video of the crew earlier this week, including footage of a captured marine apologizing for entering Iranian waters "without permission."

The report Sunday did not say when the latest statements would be aired or name the sailors.

Looks like the video shown is different than the one released earlier.

Iran Video Shows Britons Pointing to Map

TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran's official Arabic language television channel aired short video clips Sunday showing what it said were two of the 15 captured British sailors pointing to a map of the Persian Gulf.

Al-Alam TV said the two sailors were identifying where their boat crossed into Iranian waters on March 23, leading to their capture. Britain says the crew was seized in Iraqi waters

So far, I've got a whole four minutes of video on VHS. That's not a lot to work with.

Ohhhh you can read from people's body language?

If you get ahold of the new footage from Iran tonight and the others canyou let us know what you think of the clips????

Here is a link from the BBC maybe that will help

Source

This part intrigues me:

On the morning of Friday, the 23rd of March at approximately half eight, we left coalition warship Foxtrot 99.

Our task, our two boats, was to go up to the area around this Persian Gulf area round here.

And approximately, about 10 o clock in the morning, we were seized apparently at this point here from their maps on the GPS they've shown us which is inside Iranian territorial waters.

Apparantly now he is not saying either they did or didnt.... is he not?



[edit on 1-4-2007 by spencerjohnstone]

Here's the vid with the latest appearence of the captives.


Iran - British Marines confess to incursion