John Titor fraud or not?

Ok.

Without reading any of the replies except for the 2nd one... Here's my take:

According to which timeline (2nd reply)? Sorry I didn't quote but I will extrapolate that comment to my understanding.

John Titor claims there is an error of difference which will cover his a$$ if he predicts any incorrect events (eg WTC collapse?!). Hence if ANYTHING does not happen he predicts then one shall write it off as an incorrect occurance according to his theory. If it DOES happen (which, to my understanding he has a fairly accurate future prediction according to the world at the time) then his theories would be confirmed and any inconsitencies will be written off to the 'other timeline' state.

- Nazgarn

Originally posted by nazgarn
Ok.

Without reading any of the replies except for the 2nd one... Here's my take:

According to which timeline (2nd reply)? Sorry I didn't quote but I will extrapolate that comment to my understanding.

John Titor claims there is an error of difference which will cover his a$$ if he predicts any incorrect events (eg WTC collapse?!). Hence if ANYTHING does not happen he predicts then one shall write it off as an incorrect occurance according to his theory. If it DOES happen (which, to my understanding he has a fairly accurate future prediction according to the world at the time) then his theories would be confirmed and any inconsitencies will be written off to the 'other timeline' state.

- Nazgarn

This is the impression and take I have On Titor as well. Actually it is close to my general opinion concerning prophecy in general.

Originally posted by undercoverchef
this man has done nothing to prove he is from the future. All he has to do is name some time and dates for upcoming major event (like the pope's death) and it would give him so much more cred.

Did you not read my post? He predicted much more than a major political disaster. He predicted a MAJOR scientific discovery, which has come true. (CERN's microsingularity)

-Chris

Because the of the sheer amount of Titor threads on the net, some people start thinking that with so much smoke, there must be some fire and they help to perputuate the hype by adding more threads.

I don't think that guy posting under the name Titor acted alone, to create a self sustaining hype of this magnitude I believe some siteadmins of the same webring on paranormal sites helped "plugging" titor with scripted chatlogs and simultanous releasing those to give the hype a broad headstart, after wich the public will keep beating this dead horse....

I think that we have to sit it out until 2005 has passed without significant civil u.s. war until the stubborn Titor followers will find another bandwagon to jump on...

Besides, some people like to troll skeptics by posting Titor threads because they know we can't resist by taking the bait

[edit on 10-4-2005 by Silenus]

Originally posted by Silenus
Because the of the sheer amount of Titor threads on the net, some people start thinking that with so much smoke, there must be some fire and they help to perputuate the hype by adding more threads.

I don't think that guy posting under the name Titor acted alone, to create a self sustaining hype of this magnitude I believe some siteadmins of the same webring on paranormal sites helped "plugging" titor with scripted chatlogs and simultanous releasing those to give the hype a broad headstart, after wich the public will keep beating this dead horse....

I think that we have to sit it out until 2005 has passed without significant civil u.s. war until the stubborn Titor followers will find another bandwagon to jump on...

Besides, some people like to troll skeptics by posting Titor threads because they know we can't resist by taking the bait

[edit on 10-4-2005 by Silenus]

How very very true!!!

I find that all people keep going on about is this Mini Black hole thing...

How do you lot know he doesnt work at CERN???

I, too, am starting to believe he is a hoax. But it is sheer stupidity to say, "How do you believe this guy? All he did was sit there for a few hours and make up a story, and beat off to Star Trek."

I wish some more people would give evidence for/against John Titor. I have been hearing the same crap for nearly a year now. I think it's time for new evidence.

-Chris

ok... I must admit im starting to get tired of this whole dumb John Titor thing...

So hopefully this will be the final nail in John Titors deserved coffin...

Final nail?

If there is such thing as John Titor he would only be born now or in the up and coming years, so I say that we should see if there is a family called Titor and monitor them,and if they have a son see what he is called. We could start it now, for what we know he could be born already. If we do find him in his early years, we would be one step closer to the truth!

First, I do not believe that J. Titor was from the future. Second, he even told everyone not to believe him, for being skeptical of everything around you is wise. Question everything you see. Now, there is SOOO much I could actually say on this whole "John Titor" 'event', that I could not even begin to start in this thread, but I would like to make a few quick points that most people seem to be missing.

1) Is it that hard to forsee a future as he "foretold" our future 'might' be? Look at the world now... Look at it 10 years ago, 20..... Things are changing.

2) He stated that his "real" name was "John Titor", yet before ""leaving"" he also stated (besides saying not to believe him) that perhaps his *name* was nothing more than a play on words (Titor = TImeTravellOR) (sp???)

3) Most important to me as a person: Can you not SEE that the government, corporations and the military are one and the same. Do the research. Stop being ignorant. Open your eyes. The world is not as it appears to be. I'm not sure what it "IS", but it is NOT as it seems.

I have much more to say, and will very soon.

Please people. What WILL it take for people to change. A nuclear devestation? (think current news) An environmental catastrophe? (think not only of "Katrina") A complete degradation of your rights? (THINK RIGHT NOW!)

I am sickened by "OUR" world.... are YOU?

He seems to make alot of sense to me, but alot of the things he states about our current society seem obvious to me. If he is indeed a fraud, he is still a brilliant man who is here to warn us about the downhill spiral we are headed for.

This is the best site I have found to make sense of it all and t is updated regularly. Many of the things he spoke about in his worldline are coming to pass. At the time that he spoke of such things as martial law and civil war, they didn't make a lot of sense to us, but look around people - we are losing our freedoms and liberties by the day - all in the name of security. My stepfather is a Dr. of astro physics and even he is perplexed by some of Titors claims and won't completely write him off.

www.johntitor.strategicbrains.com...

well he did take interest in IBM computers
and with his profession i find no excuse not to.
take a look here

John titor, occupation

its a fraud obviously. unless i missed something. he was sent back in time to retrieve something right? how is 'retrieval' possible if every trip creates a new universe? how does his trip benefit anyone back home? i am sure i missed something.

Originally posted by re22666
its a fraud obviously. unless i missed something. he was sent back in time to retrieve something right? how is 'retrieval' possible if every trip creates a new universe? how does his trip benefit anyone back home? i am sure i missed something.

You are sure and you are correct. According to John Titor and the majority of todays top physicists the membrane string theory quantum universe is correct.
Meaning everything that can possibly happen does happen if not here then in another universe.

In titors case, you had a scientific team that believed that if they sent a titor back then an infinite number of other realities sent a titor back. The would never get their original titor back but the would get back a titor that was so similar they would not know the difference AND he would bring back what they needed.

Titor got the Iraq war right, a soldiers winter right, Seizure lights right.. and alot more.... he got the minor and major details right.. but he was off by a few years about things like civil war and Olympics... it doesn't mean he is wrong... it means get ready. Cause he was TOO DARN CLOSE FOR COMFORT!

Originally posted by titorite

Originally posted by re22666
its a fraud obviously. unless i missed something. he was sent back in time to retrieve something right? how is 'retrieval' possible if every trip creates a new universe? how does his trip benefit anyone back home? i am sure i missed something.

You are sure and you are correct. According to John Titor and the majority of todays top physicists the membrane string theory quantum universe is correct.
Meaning everything that can possibly happen does happen if not here then in another universe.

In titors case, you had a scientific team that believed that if they sent a titor back then an infinite number of other realities sent a titor back. The would never get their original titor back but the would get back a titor that was so similar they would not know the difference AND he would bring back what they needed.

Titor got the Iraq war right, a soldiers winter right, Seizure lights right.. and alot more.... he got the minor and major details right.. but he was off by a few years about things like civil war and Olympics... it doesn't mean he is wrong... it means get ready. Cause he was TOO DARN CLOSE FOR COMFORT!

maybe you need to be more specific. where in string theory does it say that if they send john back in time, another john will return to theirs, or even may. i get the multiverse, makes perfect sense. it doesnt guarantee and even trade or even remotely hint at one anywhere. but wow, thanks for the fast reply that was awesome.

IT is true. Everything that can possibly does. There are realities where titor did not come back.... It was a gamble. A gamble any rational man in that situation would take. If you have read the whole of his story you would know the world he comes from and why they sent him... YOu can read the whole story at timetravelinstitute. that is where ATS got the majority of there logs.

Originally posted by titorite
IT is true. Everything that can possibly does. There are realities where titor did not come back.... It was a gamble. A gamble any rational man in that situation would take. If you have read the whole of his story you would know the world he comes from and why they sent him... YOu can read the whole story at timetravelinstitute. that is where ATS got the majority of there logs.

wow, i was hoping that you would convince me. you really didnt even try, you just repeated yourself. "everything that can, does...it was a gamble." Yup. see instead of pouring over titors writings, i have studied physics most of my life. so...i am just asking you, since you are obviously far more informed that i, where in string theory does it explain that that anything that can will, leads to one universe being made whole for it's loss. it is not only a gamble, it is a completely losing bet. The odds of a new john showing up would be so astronomical that it would not have even been worth the time it would have take to buckle his seat belt, let alone the money, research, whatever else they had to do to get him that gear and send him on his merry way. any scientist that was on the planning commitee would have quickly realized that all their effort was to essentially send something into a black hole. thats it. thats the whole deal. the calc ends there. there is no return john waiting in storage for the possibility that we send him back.
besides, and more importantly, how could any new john show up here. if every jump in time creates that new universe, then every john would land in an entirely new universe every time that he time traveled. so how could one ever end up here since this universe already exsists? or the one they were in anyway.

i appologize to any titor fans/followers, whichever you like to be called. I do not mean in any way to offend, or call anyone a liar. I just have some questions. I came to this site because I want to believe so many wonderful things are true. Unfortunately, I have doubts and questions. I am just looking for some answers.

Im not sure about a different titor coming back from what i read the time machine device he used took gravitational signatures or something of the like so he could use the same route back and obviously then the same titor would arrive back in the same time line he came from.

Im just going from memory here about something i read ages ago. There is a whole information archive available here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Read it see if it makes sense to you and then with your knowledge of physice post a thread in the forums with your conclusions. I would be interested in reading it.

how is 'retrieval' possible if every trip creates a new universe? how does his trip benefit anyone back home? i am sure i missed something.

You missed the part where Titor said:

John Titor: The computer units and gravity sensors "record" your trip and you are quite easily able to return to your point of origin


And when Titor returns it would be like:

John Titor: From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than expected.

[edit on 15-7-2008 by imitator]