Australia facing meltdown.

Originally posted by TheAvenger
Manmade (anthropogenic) global warming has become a religion for many. They always fold when I ask them for solid proof. Their worn out CO2 charts are a joke, but they have little more to offer than just more alarmist B.S. speak with no evidence to back their claims whatsoever. They wrongly claim that there is a scientific consensus that global warming is caused by humans. That is an absolute lie.

There is no way that a 0.010% increase in CO2 and a 0.6 degree C temperature increase over 100 years causes anything. This is most likely a natural process or perhaps only a common data variation the we scientists see everyday. The proponents of A.G.W. run from real science because they know they have no case.

There is no climate crisis. Global warming is political rhetoric being used to extort average, honest citizens of more money and power.

I agree.. I find it funny how a few months back china said that the "richer nations" should shoulder the blame for global warming. Which was very hypocritical given chinas environmental destruction of its own nation. (china is also is the biggest exporter of pollution, China is considered the biggest polluter of sulfur dioxide which causes acid rain.) Anyways, Hypocritical. Well it all makes sense. China would love to see the US sign onto kyoto. It would greatly benefit the chinese economy while hurting the US economy. We both agree kyoto wouldnt solve any problems, as it would also have to directly affect china and india for it to make some sort of impact in some climatologist eyes (the ones who believe in this sham.)

Originally posted by Allred5923

posted on 28-3-2007 at 10:11 PM
Global warming has become a religion for many. They always fold when I ask them for solid proof. Their worn out CO2 charts are a joke, but they have little more to offer than just alarmist B.S. speak with no evidence to back their claims whatsoever. They wrongly claim that there is a scientific consensus that global warming is caused by humans. That is an absolute lie.[edit on 3/28/2007 by TheAvenger]

"Put your mouth on an "Exhaust Pipe of a vehicle" then 'Call me if you can?'"

better not swim in the ocean then...

Now that you have all absolutely hijacked my thread, I'm ditching it.

My apologies. I thought someone was actually interested in global warming as it affects Australia. How typical that global warming alarmists want it their way and no other way.

Why Has Global Warming Become a Moral Issue?

[edit on 3/28/2007 by TheAvenger]

Originally posted by TheAvenger
My apologies. I thought someone was actually interested in global warming as it affects Australia. How typical that global warming alarmists want it their way and no other way.

[edit on 3/28/2007 by TheAvenger]

Lol I'm not a global warming alarmist, I'm not even interested in it, I just posted the article here because I thought everybody else would be interested in it. Instead of assuming things about me, go get a girlfriend or something and stop getting so obsessive.

My wife might get upset about my new girlfriend. You should want hits here; good for the points. I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part.

Originally posted by TheAvenger
My wife might get upset about my new girlfriend.

You should want hits here; good for the points. I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part.

Lol what she don't know won't hurt her . Don't worry, it wasn't your fault, I'm just stressed out because all my saw blades snapped (I'm a jeweller) and I have to finish a pendant by this afternoon.

Originally posted by MAD Hatt3r

Lol I'm not a global warming alarmist, I'm not even interested in it, I just posted the article here because I thought everybody else would be interested in it. Instead of assuming things about me, go get a girlfriend or something and stop getting so obsessive.

Really? Were you sleeping when you typed this then?

Originally posted by MAD Hatt3rAustralia facing meltdown

Sounds alarmists to me.

You also say you aren’t interested in the subject, yet you went to the trouble to find several links? So tell me then, is it your time or ours that you are trying to waste?

And then, when others suggest that your position may be born of ignorance you accuse them of hijacking your thread and say you’re out of here?

If you are going to start threads about controversial subjects on a board with an intelligent population like ATS, you better put on your big-boy pants.

Okay suppose you nay sayer's are right that global warming isn't manmade, what can we do about it. Burning more fossil fuel isn't the answer. We in the 1st world should be looking to the future and develop clean energy and stop relying on foreign oil. Think of the jobs we could create here while China and India shells out for ever increasing oil prices, we can never hope to keep up with China's pace but then again who want's to live in polluted cities anyway.

Australia Spends A$200 Million to Save Asian Forests

www.bloomberg.com...

"We see these as very practical measures that will promote the cause of reducing greenhouse gas emissions,'' Howard told reporters in Canberra.

How will this effect Asian economies? Surely they have as much right as Australia to protect their economy. Howard's a hypocrite

Originally posted by Allred5923

"Put your mouth on an "Exhaust Pipe of a vehicle" then 'Call me if you can?'"

It would be the same as you exhaling into an empty oxygen tank, filling it up and then inhaling the CO2 your own body made.

Avanger is right, there is no proof CO2 causes global warming, more so when the geological record and even the current warming started 260 years before CO2 levels increased.

People do need to educate themselves before they start making claims about Climate Change.

Hybrid/electric cars are not a bad idea, but how many stations exists where you can you recharge your car?

As for other sources of energy such as Hydrogen...that will be worse than CO2 since fuel using hydrogen will create water vapor, which retains twice the amount of heat than CO2.

[edit on 28-3-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by cavscout
Really? Were you sleeping when you typed this then?

Originally posted by MAD Hatt3rAustralia facing meltdown

Sounds alarmists to me.

You also say you aren’t interested in the subject, yet you went to the trouble to find several links? So tell me then, is it your time or ours that you are trying to waste?

And then, when others suggest that your position may be born of ignorance you accuse them of hijacking your thread and say you’re out of here?

If you are going to start threads about controversial subjects on a board with an intelligent population like ATS, you better put on your big-boy pants.

Uh, if you read the article you would notice I just copied my heading from there... Put your reading glasses on and I'll put my big-boy pants on.
Oh and as I said before, I posted the thread there because I thought people would be interested by it, and I didn't imply that anyone thought "my position was born of ignorance", I was just correcting somebody who thought I am an alarmist, as I am doing now.

BTW, one more thing, most of the CO2 produced by developed nations don't come from cars, they come from power plants. So unless people in Australia are planning on not using their AC during summer, or heating in winter, or even electricity to power their fridge and have light, they are never going to "cut their emissions 60%."

Anyways, here are some links with some pros and cons about hybrid cars.

BTW, hybrid and electric cars weight more, which means they need more energy to move.

www.smartmoney.com...

www.tpmcafe.com...

I wouldn't consider hydrogen cars as "the way to cut down greenhouse gases" either, since as i explained hydrogen cars would produce a worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

[edit on 29-3-2007 by Muaddib]

BTW, one more thing, most of the CO2 produced by developed nations don't come from cars, they come from power plants.

True, but Australia has an abundance of uranium. They don't need coal fired powerstations.

Ever heard of the "Air Car"? checkout www.youtube.com...

Al Gore's a fool, he tells us to ratify it but his own country won't do the same. It's a flawed protocol, it only applies to small countries such as ours, and takes away our competitive edge for relatively nothing when you compare the amount of greenhouse gases produced by countries such as India and China.

Originally posted by styxxz
True, but Australia has an abundance of uranium. They don't need coal fired powerstations.

Then you have the problem of where you dump the used fuel rods, and they would have to replace all or most coal based power plants with nuclear plants. Again, you go back to the problem of having to get rid of spent fuel rods, or nuclear waste.

Originally posted by styxxz
Ever heard of the "Air Car"? checkout www.youtube.com...

That's pretty cool, didn't hear about this car before, but my guess is that it will take a while to have these cars in production and running in the streets. They do need to work on the noise that car generates, which shouldn't be that hard.

Good idea thou.

[edit on 29-3-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
Again, you go back to the problem of having to get rid of spent fuel rods, or nuclear waste.

lol we just sell it to terrorists.

Originally posted by MAD Hatt3r

Originally posted by Rockpuck

I didn't ask for evidence the globe is "warming" ... I asked for scientific evidence it is human relation.

Show me that please..

That's what I meant, Antarctica hasn't changed that much since humans started using cars and stuff. I dunno, I'm tired and not making sense at the moment lol

The latest studies have shown that the earth heats up first, then CO2 levels increase..

Evidence suggest that is actually the case from past warming events as well.. it is most likely a solar event, raising temps just a tiny bit, but enough to alter weather patterns..

Another interesting tidbit is the Earths wobble changes as well.. where antarctic is today, was not the same in previous times (not counting the actual continent moving) but that the Earths wobble moves it, though only a few hundred miles at most.. enough to move huge amounts of ice out of the arctic circle (ever wonder why there is such massive icecaps in the center of Antarctica, a tundra desert? .. Wobble movement )

Any thing from geothermic activity (which has increased lately) to underwater techtonic movement (increased lately) to even increase in algae and other marine plant life producing Co2 as a biproduct.. can all help raise earths temps.

The biggest "man made" contributor to rising Co2 levels is not cars..... or factories.... but....

Trees. Or, the lack there of. Forest, ESPECIALLY rain forest are VERY important to convert Co2 into oxygen to breath, and keep temps down (and maintain weather patterns!) ... the loss of rain forest and various other large forest (the entire NE US used to be mostly dense forest..) is, imo, the greatest threat to mankind, and Earth its self..

smartest post here . Interesting bit of fact there.

posted by Muaddib
Then you have the problem of where you dump the used fuel rods, and they would have to replace all or most coal based power plants with nuclear plants. Again, you go back to the problem of having to get rid of spent fuel rods, or nuclear waste.

There are a lot of countries that safely discards their nuclear waste. Australia has vast deserts which could be used to bury the stuff. Also Aust is a relative stable continent so if done properly it should be safe.

People talk about jobs, what better way to create jobs by replacing old coal powerstation with new state of the art nuke stations.

posted by Muaddib
That's pretty cool, didn't hear about this car before, but my guess is that it will take a while to have these cars in production and running in the streets. They do need to work on the noise that car generates, which shouldn't be that hard.

Very true, imagine what could be achieved if governments supported these projects?
I'm not saying the air car is THE answer but merely demonstrating there are alternatives.