ET's religion

You're acting like all members of an alien race are the same or there's only one alien race or both.

Do ETs believe in religion? Certainly none of our religions. Did ETs have anything to do with establishing our religions? Probably. The best study on this is a book "Slave Species of god" by Michael Tellinger. He examines the historical evidence (extensive) and each religion pointing out the evidence for ET tampering. The Sumarian writings are clear that we were a species developed to help mine their gold. The identity of these "gods" read ETs is not known to us, we just know they existed going back hundreds of thousands of years.
Religion is a human thing. ETs, the ones who come here are many times more intelligent. They don't bother with the formalities of religion. However they do believe in the central or universal power we call God. We will always find it difficult to wrap our minds around this concept.

Just to throw a wrench, Tibet was a fudal theocracy that lived off the backs of the peasent population. There were summary executions as different sects vyed for power.

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In Tibet, from the early seventeenth century well into the eighteenth, competing Buddhist sects engaged in armed hostilities and summary executions.1 In Tibet, from the early seventeenth century well into the eighteenth, competing Buddhist sects engaged in armed hostilities and summary executions.1 In the twentieth century, in Thailand, Burma, Korea, Japan, and elsewhere, Buddhists clashed with each other and with nonBuddhists. In Sri Lanka, armed battles in the name of Buddhism are part of Sinhalese history.2

Many peasents were exploited and mutilated (both physically and sexually.)

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Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion."

many more had no health care, job opportunities, or real future. that is until China came along.

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The Chinese were also granted a direct role in internal administration "to promote social reforms." At first, they moved slowly, relying mostly on persuasion in an attempt to effect change. Among the earliest reforms they wrought was to reduce usurious interest rates, and build a few hospitals and roads. "Contrary to popular belief in the West," writes one observer, the Chinese "took care to show respect for Tibetan culture and religion."

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I think his idea that many religions have caused much death across the globe is pretty acurate. Thats not to say that ALL religions do so, IMO, just the vast majority.


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EDIT to add: may religious leaders violate their own religous precepts to win gain for themselves, exploit people, and win secular intrigues.

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oOiginally Posted by SkyWay
How many millions more need to be abducted and tortured by aliens before you will be convinced. As far as I am concerned there is enough abductee evidence to convince me that the aliens are evil and abusive.

Millions have been abducted and yet not one of them can prove it.
Testimonials have never been an acceptable substitute for cold hard evidence.

I like this quote regarding the value of testimonials:

Testimonials appeal via the emotions rather than directly to logic.

en.wikipedia.org...

I, like so many others am facinated by this subject of alien life. Part of me wants to believe, but the other. evidently dominant part, will not be convinced until there is indisputable evidence.

With regard to Alien Religeous Beliefs; There is so much diversity in beliefs here on earth it is futile to speculate on the religeous beliefs of a species that no one can even prove exists.

Just my 2cents.

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Indisputable evidence, huh?

Have you heard of the Roswell memo? If not, I suggest you google it and read the first link.

I find it very interesting that so many conclude that if there Aliens, they must be "Advanced " to the point that they no longer believe in God.


So many are willing to state a belief in Aliens without any substantial proof,
no concrete evidence, nothing but the F word (Faith).

I contend that belief in Aliens falls in the category of a religious belief system. Simply trade belief in an intelligent Creator with supernatural powers for a Race of intelligent beings with supernatural powers.

I'm a christian. Idont know where in the bible it says we were the only ones. It says god created man in the image of himself, not what he created the greys, reptilians in the image of. The universe is so vast and complicated it would be (imo) hard to justify all this was just random! And if we are random then it has happened all over the universe! The chances that we are alone in the universe are worse than winning the lottery 10x in a row!

Originally posted by Sparky63
So many are willing to state a belief in Aliens without any substantial proof,
no concrete evidence, nothing but the F word (Faith).

Yeah, those people are ill-informed morons.

That's why people who research the UFO evidence don't need faith to know that aliens exist. They're well-informed and intelligent believers.

Obviously, you haven't researched enough of the evidence to decide for yourself yet, Sparky.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf


I think his idea that many religions have caused much death across the globe is pretty acurate. Thats not to say that ALL religions do so, IMO, just the vast majority.

Some interesting examples but Im not sure you can blame Buddhism for them. Im not sure where in Buddha’s teachings you can find any such action is promoted.

You can blame Buddhists for those actions. I wasnt trying to imply Buddhists were perfect since as long as humans make up its ranks thats impossible.

I was just trying to point out not ALL religions cause death across the world and it seems there you agree.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Obviously, you haven't researched enough of the evidence to decide for yourself yet, Sparky.

Interesting, and what if he has done the research and remains agnostic about the issue? or worse finds for himself that they could not possibly exist? Just because he has come to a different conclusion than you doesnt make him wrong at this point. As far as i know, no ailen ship has decended to earth with a parade behind them to announce their existance.

Assuming he hasnt done his research because his opinion differs from yours is outlandish IMO.

I contend that belief in Aliens falls in the category of a religious belief system

Good point.... And you are obviously correct.
Although the (mainstream) "church of UFOlogy" (if i can coin a term) has a pseudo scientific bent on spirituality.....

I.E. that underlying assumption being that technology will eventually meld and merge into religion so that the traditional divide between science and religion will not exist in more advanced civilisations......

I.E. today most religion is basically a system of rituals, gathering and philosphies based around old teachings.
Which are often quite positive in nature but none the less mainly try to steer people towards being better people and to encourage them to think like the church does and not to entertain ideas or perspectives from other faiths,.... whose belief systems are equally as valid.....
My point being that the church is necessary because most churches have set them selves up as the middle men between you and your god.....
The new age movement is (in theory) about attempting to remove the middle man and experience/experement with the energies and experiences of the spiritual path more directly......

The ET's religion i think is seen to be a few steps even above this... as instead of having only their minds to use to explore the devine they would also probably have discovered the science behind certain dimensions of spirit and may well also have technology to work with these energies.....

IE they may be able to "ring" their dead realitives....
Have divices that can image the astral plane so they could watch people progress after death....
Have machinary to move their souls from one body to another.....
Have machines that can shift your dimensional vibration up into higher spiritual dimensions ETc.........

So their they would not have a conception of religion as we know it....
As much of what we only guess about would be laid bare in their society....

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Some interesting examples but Im not sure you can blame Buddhism for them. Im not sure where in Buddha’s teachings you can find any such action is promoted.

You can blame Buddhists for those actions. I wasnt trying to imply Buddhists were perfect since as long as humans make up its ranks thats impossible.

Very true. The teachings do not say go forth and kill. But unfortunately Buddha isnt hear to guide his people, or take any blame for thier actions. Therefore i justly blame the buddhist leaders and their followers involved in such acts.

I was just trying to point out not ALL religions cause death across the world and it seems there you agree.

Well at least we agree. I guess we can leave it at that

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First of all, we have to be clear about ETs in general. There are probably tens of thousands of species in the universe that are civilized. The species that are closest to earthicans in technology (type 0 civilizations) probably have religions very similar to our own.

Now, my next idea was covered by this guy right here. I would've posted something like this earlier but I got distracted...
anywho

Originally posted by morphonius821
instead of having only their minds to use to explore the devine they would also probably have discovered the science behind certain dimensions of spirit and may well also have technology to work with these energies.....

IE they may be able to "ring" their dead realitives....
Have divices that can image the astral plane so they could watch people progress after death....
Have machinary to move their souls from one body to another.....
Have machines that can shift your dimensional vibration up into higher spiritual dimensions ETc.........

So their they would not have a conception of religion as we know it....

I'm pretty sure that any ET civilizations that have the technology to get to earth at FTL speeds don't simply have faith in some sort of divine reality. If a civilization is bending space/making wormholes/traversing dimensions/teleporting/using "warp drive"/quantum tunneling/using probability drive/whatever then I'm sure they both know about and can telepathically and/or technologically manipulate matters of spirituality. Perhaps they choose not to because the universe is wonderfully elegant and needs no interruptions, but I'm sure they do not fear death. Not because they have faith, but because they know better.

One day, hopefully, we will unlock the secrets of the universe and "know," as opposed to just "believing." Of course, this day would be surrounded by controversy and conspiracy, and it may take hundreds of years for the public to even be informed of the truth. But after all of the hoopla and silliness, imagine the peace when all the peoples of earth can truly be united, instead of divided, by matters of spirituality.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
I think his idea that many religions have caused much death across the globe is pretty acurate. Thats not to say that ALL religions do so, IMO, just the vast majority.

I hear atheists lament all the time that "religion has caused more war and oppressed and killed more people than any other cause." To which I reply: So what?

Why do we think that war and killing each other is such a bad thing? Territoriality is perfectly natural behavior in the majority of Earth species. There are wars in Nature every moment of every day — the benefits of which include reduced, stronger and more stable populations, which in turn are less of a burden on natural resources. Killing each other off en masse from time to time is actually good for our species.

Thanks to our science, the human population of Earth is presently 6 billion, approaching the limits of this planet's carrying capacity. By 2025, our population will reach 8.5 billion. By 2100, the population will be an unimaginable 40 billion. We are seriously overpopulated at present, and we need to reduce our population. No, we don't need to eradicate disease and end hunger and increase the average human lifespan — we need to start dying off pretty soon, much sooner than our most optimistic plans to colonize other worlds.

War is one answer. It does have its benefits, and has served a worthy purpose throughout the history of our species — reducing our numbers, strengthening the herd, saving our resources. If religion serves as a catalyst for war, then religion may serve a far more natural and beneficial purpose than atheists (and theists) suspect.

— Doc Velocity

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Originally posted by danx
Wrong again.
Scientists impregnate and toy with their genetics all the time. I'm sorry if this come as a shock to you.

But unlike the aliens, human scientists are not trying to create a hybrid between animals and humans which is the objective of the aliens in their sexual assaults on human women.

You have some 'interesting' points of view regarding aliens and abductions, speaking as if you know their agenda based on some alledged abductions reports and your own faith.

Since the topic of this thread is aliens and religion, I form conclusions on the evidence provided by those who have had contact with the aliens.

The most curious aspect of your words, however, is that although you claim that the aliens want to enslave us and be our gods, I can't help but wonder that your thoughts are already enslaved by your own religion.

I could wonder the same thing about you. Perhaps your thinking has been enslaved by this materialistic society and its "educational" system that has conditioned your mind from your earliest childhood.

Have you ever been abducted? Do you have any proof of what you are saying? Or you're expecting people to do a "blind leap of faith" as it seems you already have regarding this matter.

No. I have never been abducted thank God.

I cannot show you a flying saucer if that is what you mean by proof.

It is not a blind leap of faith to accept the experiences of millions of people as true, rather, it is blind to reject such an overwhelming amount of evidence. If it were only one or two people who had such experiences one might have reason to doubt the reality, but when millions have reported experiences with aliens then you are being UN-reasonable to dismiss the reality of alien encounters.

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Originally posted by Sparky63
Millions have been abducted and yet not one of them can prove it.

Nevertheless, it becomes more reasonable to believe than to disbelieve when the numbers of witnesses are so astronomical. Besides, ALL things were unproven at one time, even the things that are now proven. So, just because proof of aliens is not available at this moment, we are not in a position to assume that they don't exist.

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Originally posted by InSpiteOf
As far as i know, no ailen ship has decended to earth with a parade behind them to announce their existance.

Assuming he hasnt done his research because his opinion differs from yours is outlandish IMO.

You're right, no alien ship has descended to Earth with a parade behind it. The only alien ships that have descended to Earth have done so as covertly as possible.

Yeah, I'm always outlandish. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by uberarcanist
Indisputable evidence, huh?

Have you heard of the Roswell memo? If not, I suggest you google it and read the first link.

I did as you suggested and googled it. Indeed the first link states that it is Proof.
However, not one to be swallow anything hook, line and sinker, I took some time to consider the third link on the second page on google.

Have you considered the conclusions of other experts have reached after examing this piece of evidence?

I wont attempt to quote the wole thing. Here is a link if you care to examine it yourself. www.scientificexploration.org...

I will though quote some of the Highlights.

Russ Estes, using a 16 × 20 print made by the University of Texas Library,
applied his expertise to the examination. Estes, a professional documentarian,
was able to use a professional quality $50,000 video camera with a
high-quality macro lens to capture the image. Then using his computer and a
variety of technically complex and professional quality software programs, he
examined the message in a myriad of ways, including with a jeweler’s loupe, a
magnifying glass and a microscope. Estes also scanned it at 9000 dpi so that it
created a file that was 1.7 gigabits in size and could be manipulated and enlarged
even further (Estes, 1998). Despite these preparations, Estes reported
that he could not reliably decipher any of the text in the Ramey memo. Pressed
on the point, because others reported being able to decipher many words and
phrases, Estes did say that he could make a “best guess” about the images on
the message. After examining an 8 x 10 enlarged photograph of just the message
area via the same techniques and equipment, Estes stated that he perceived
the words “Fort Work, Tex” with a limited amount of confidence. On
the line below, where one group deciphered “Disk” and another group deciphered
“ELSE,” Estes believed he saw “ELA*.” He added that this made no
sense to him, just that was what the ambiguous smudges that everyone was attempting
to make into words looked like to him (Estes, 1998). As for the signature
block, he could see nothing that resembled either of the claims. At best,
there might have been an “M” in the middle of the word, and the possibility of
an “LE” at the end. That gave the nod to “Temple” but Estes (1998) said investigators
were seeing the equivalent of “faces in the clouds.”

I really liked the part in the study where an independant group was allowed to examine the pictures of the document. It was not suggested to them ahead of time that this had anything to do with Roswell.

You can read the results for yourself in the link above, (go to table 3 on page 59) but to sumarize;
The control group failed to "decifer" or hit on many of the words that the Pro-Roswell group claimed to see.

To me decifering this memo is like a Rorschach inkblot test.

Like I said It all comes down to Faith.

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Its amazing how every person thinks the "aliens" are here for every single reason, BESIDES to help us. You know damn well if you are advanced enough to traverse the stars, you dont need to resort to primitive things like wars and controlling lesser life forms. That is a by-product of human thinking.

I am not saying there are no negative ETs, but they are the exception, not the norm, and unfortunately, all we ever hear about is the negative stories, what about the hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of positive encounters?

Why do you think your crooked media always puts out shows and movies which show UFOs in a negative "invade the world" like, and why do they only talk about the negative stories?

Could it be because they are trying to keep you in fear of these advanced beings, to make it harder for them to come openly among us? The last thing the Light beings want to do is cause us fear, so obviously they wont land en masse until we have gotten rid of our illogical fear based manipulated thinking.

If they were evil, and wanted to take over, they wouldve done it when we were fighting with bows and arrows ok, lets get it clear. Thats obviously not why they are here, the vast majority do not interfere at all, there is this small rogue group of grays our government is in collusion with, but thats it!



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Originally posted by SkyWay
But unlike the aliens, human scientists are not trying to create a hybrid between animals and humans which is the objective of the aliens in their sexual assaults on human women.

Professor Esmail Zanjani and colleagues at the University of Nevada-Reno have created sheep that are 15 percent human at the cellular level. Half the organs in the sheep are human. The idea, of course, is to harvest those organs to transplant into human patients.

source: slashdot, mailonsunday.co.uk

Sorry, you were saying?

I could wonder the same thing about you. Perhaps your thinking has been enslaved by this materialistic society and its "educational" system that has conditioned your mind from your earliest childhood.

Don't want to sound like a jerk, but.. if I was enslaved by "this materialistic society and its educational system", my guess is that I would be believing in God and would be a religious person.

No. I have never been abducted thank God.

I cannot show you a flying saucer if that is what you mean by proof.

No, showing me a flying saucer is not what I mean by proof, because, I already told you I believe intelligent alien life exists. We were talking about abductions, remember?
And I hardly think that believing in aliens automatically means that I have to accept that they are performing these 'atrocities' that you claim they are doing to people.

Originally posted by Sparky63
Millions have been abducted and yet not one of them can prove it.

Nevertheless, it becomes more reasonable to believe than to disbelieve when the numbers of witnesses are so astronomical. Besides, ALL things were unproven at one time, even the things that are now proven.

Yeah, like at one time everyone thought the sun revolved around the earth, except for a few 'crazies' that were burnt alive for believing otherwise (oh and you can thank religion for that one). And it was unproven at the time as well. I guess since so many people believe it, it must've been true then.