After 6 years what has the Disclosure Project disclosed?

Originally posted by tock

I did have to sign 2 or 3 piece of paper. Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the "less desirables", away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.

I don't understand in one respect. Why must this be done by professionals? Why can't I open up communications on any grounds and in any conditions I want? I'm sure that if I were to call and ask if they had Prince Albert in a can, then they'd probably have a number of ways to disconnect me. I don't understand why there must be a specific vanguard of people who do the talking, especially where this is something that affects all of us. Again, am I going too far when I think this is the philosophy that the government has used all these years: that the average person is a "less desireable"? The natural problem there is that it necessitates someone being a "more desireable," and especially in this case where that distinction is made based on who is willing to pay, is it unreasonable to raise an eyebrow?

Originally posted by torsion
So what you are saying, Tock, is that Greer has the evidence but we, the people, are not important enough to be shown it?

If you come back off Greer's course with an attitude like that there is something desperately wrong being taught there! It's also a worrying thought that you are now officially an Ambassador to the Universe!

I'm saying, there is no energy to spend on debunkers, and you fit in that category.

I've been educating the simple man myself, because, I am a simple man, with a simple life. And that's how I think we will reach disclosure.

Steven has better to do, than debate have constantly have to bring proofs to the debunkers, when we already have enough proofs that indicates we are been visited.

He's busy bringing this whole project to the next step. You can choose to stay behind or follow. Your choice. Your opinion.

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Originally posted by Alpha Grey

Originally posted by tock
...........Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the "less desirables", away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.

And there it is.......Disclosure for the wealthy and screw the rest of humanity.

I guess to be poor is to be "less desireable" and to be wealthy is "welcome to the club"

That right there screams fraud and hoax in my opinion...offering Ebe's to the world as a marketing scheme is so low I cannot even begin to vent.......


So 6 years later...for a couple of grand in cash......you too can meet or see an alien.....WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP !!

I feel that Tock has discredited Greer and CSETI more than Greer has done himself. In fact, if Greer were to read this thread and see Tock's comments I'm sure he'd be summoning a saucer full of the grays to abduct him and give him a damn good probing! He'd probably give him his $800 back, too...

Hmm, no, maybe not the cash refund!

Originally posted by Alpha Grey
And there it is.......Disclosure for the wealthy and screw the rest of humanity.

I guess to be poor is to be "less desireable" and to be wealthy is "welcome to the club"

That right there screams fraud and hoax in my opinion...offering Ebe's to the world as a marketing scheme is so low I cannot even begin to vent.......


So 6 years later...for a couple of grand in cash......you too can meet or see an alien.....WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP !!

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That's my opinion, and I am not affiliated with any of the organisation. Don't try to blame the DP or CSETI for what is been discussed here...

Blame me. And Yes, I believe that if the price of these training was set to 10$...it would be a big mess. MY Opinion.

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Originally posted by Togetic
I don't understand in one respect. Why must this be done by professionals? Why can't I open up communications on any grounds and in any conditions I want? I'm sure that if I were to call and ask if they had Prince Albert in a can, then they'd probably have a number of ways to disconnect me. I don't understand why there must be a specific vanguard of people who do the talking, especially where this is something that affects all of us. Again, am I going too far when I think this is the philosophy that the government has used all these years: that the average person is a "less desireable"?

The natural problem there is that it necessitates someone being a "more desireable," and especially in this case where that distinction is made based on who is willing to pay, is it unreasonable to raise an eyebrow?

I already explained this earlier. To avoid abuses. Not sure why there is anything wrong about this?
In simple words, protecting all this from the bad people.
The black ops were keeping secret from the good people.
Now, that's that work for you?


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Originally posted by tock

Originally posted by Togetic
I don't understand in one respect. Why must this be done by professionals? Why can't I open up communications on any grounds and in any conditions I want? I'm sure that if I were to call and ask if they had Prince Albert in a can, then they'd probably have a number of ways to disconnect me. I don't understand why there must be a specific vanguard of people who do the talking, especially where this is something that affects all of us. Again, am I going too far when I think this is the philosophy that the government has used all these years: that the average person is a "less desireable"?

The natural problem there is that it necessitates someone being a "more desireable," and especially in this case where that distinction is made based on who is willing to pay, is it unreasonable to raise an eyebrow?

I already explained this earlier. To avoid abuses. Not sure why there is anything wrong about this?

Because one is making the decisions about who should have the information and who should not. There is a bar impassable for the common person in the form of the payment. Is there is a point at which CSETI would stop communicating with them and say "Hey, you know, the issues we're discussing are so important that we need to get everyone involved in talking about them"? Isn't that what people fought for when we demanded democratic government? I don't want people speaking on behalf of my planet or my race if I haven't at least had the opportunity to choose who they should be. Isn't that what the Disclosure Project's point is?

In simple words, protecting all this from the bad people.
The black ops were keeping secret from the good people.
Now, that's that work for you?

That's the rub, isn't it? Who decides who the good people are? Shouldn't it be for all people? I can't imagine that any extraterrestrial entity that's going to talk to any other race wouldn't be prepared for bad people and wouldn't make allowances for that. They must anticipate based on intellectual discourse or experience that there are those who are resistant to the idea of other life in the universe. Wouldn't they necessarily know how to deal with that attitude? I can't imagine that they need humans to protect them from other humans, given their possible technological and spiritual advances.

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Because one is making the decisions about who should have the information and who should not. There is a bar impassable for the common person in the form of the payment. Is there is a point at which CSETI would stop communicating with them and say "Hey, you know, the issues we're discussing are so important that we need to get everyone involved in talking about them"? Isn't that what people fought for when we demanded democratic government? I don't want people speaking on behalf of my planet or my race if I haven't at least had the opportunity to choose who they should be. Isn't that what the Disclosure Project's point is?

CSETI uses these training to keep going. They should go bankrupt you are saying?
It's like looking at a political party, that will accept only 10$ donations cause, they want to feel good about them, but they won't be able to work their campaign...Nonsense...

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In fact, It should be up to you and me, to go follow the training, than to share freely what we discovered with the masses. That way, CSETI can keep going and more people are in the know.

Originally posted by tock
That's my opinion, and I am not affiliated with any of the organisation. Don't try to blame the DP or CSETI for what is been discussed here...
Blame me. And Yes, I believe that if the price of these training was set to 10$...it would be a big mess. MY Opinion.

First off.......I do blame DP and CSETI for what is being discussed here...it's THEIR organization(s) and THEY are the ones bilking the masses for cash to see or meet an alien (ship) or whatever........if Greer needs money thats HIS problem......go get donations from some "benefactor" but don't sit there and say "for cash we can set you up to see an alien ship" ! If thats the case then shut it all down now because the opinion of the general population is going to scream "CHARLATAN".......does that money you spent come with snake oil for all cures also ??


Why does'nt Greer have sign-up sheets and randomly pick names to join him in lieu of letting anyone join in for an exorbitant fee ?? My guess is he won't do that...where's the profit in that right ??

Time to smell what you are selling Tock.










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Originally posted by Togetic
That's the rub, isn't it? Who decides who the good people are? Shouldn't it be for all people? I can't imagine that any extraterrestrial entity that's going to talk to any other race wouldn't be prepared for bad people and wouldn't make allowances for that. They must anticipate based on intellectual discourse or experience that there are those who are resistant to the idea of other life in the universe. Wouldn't they necessarily know how to deal with that attitude? I can't imagine that they need humans to protect them from other humans, given their possible technological and spiritual advances.

Steven Had his load of rude people trying to destroy his project. So I would just exactly so, protect myself from them.

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Originally posted by Alpha Grey
First off.......I do blame DP and CSETI for what is being discussed here...it's THEIR organization(s) and THEY are the ones bilking the masses for cash to see or meet an alien (ship) or whatever........if Greer needs money thats HIS problem......go get donations from some "benefactor" but don't sit there and say "for cash we can set you up to either see an alien ship" ! If thats the case then shut it all down now because the opinion of the general population is going to scream "CHARLATAN".......does that money you spent come with snake oil for all cures also ??


Why does'nt Greer have sign-up sheets and randomly pick names to join him in lieu of letting anyone join in for an exorbitant fee ?? My guess is he won't do that...where's the profit in that right ??

Time to smell what you are selling Tock.

I would rather pay 800$ and be able to assist to a workshop, they just give my money away. What they teach is amazing. Might not be for you, but still, is amazing.

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Originally posted by tock
...I am not affiliated with any of the organisation. Don't try to blame the DP or CSETI for what is been discussed here...

Tock, on your personal blog we find this, which has a direct link to where the unwary can hand over $800.



Do you receive any payment for hits or successful applicants deriving from your blog?

Originally posted by tock
I would rather pay 800$ and be able to assist to a workshop, they just give my money away. What they teach is amazing. Might not be for you, but still, is amazing.

So Greer gives the money away ?? that not what you said earlier about him needing the money for expenses......so which is it ?? he either needs the money or he gives it away ??

And WHY does he give it away ??? something is not right with this picture....

Originally posted by tock
CSETI uses these training to keep going. They should go bankrupt you are saying?
It's like looking at a political party, that will accept only 10$ donations cause, they want to feel good about them, but they won't be able to work their campaign...

I have wavered back and forth about this. Based on the assumption that this is the most important knowledge in human history, then CSETI should be required to disgorge its information to all of us. Just as the government should. No one should have a monopoly on this information. If this were a corporate secret like the formula for Coke, then there is not enough of a compelling interest for the information to be exposed. But this is the most monumental thing in history. We can't be content with allowing it to remain hidden. If CSETI were open about their techniques, then voluntary donations would probably make up any loss for not charging people.

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with all the money he gets, greer could without any trouble set up a fake ufo at night, a remote control aircraft of some sort....

actually, i think he does just that, because he has to produce a ufo for someone who has paid 800$

people see one or two ufos in their lifetimes, some never, and greer can vector them for his workshops.....

yeah.

This debate started two weeks ago with this piece of information.......

posted on 11-3-2007 @ 06:32 AM (ID:3019034) single this post REPLYQUOTE

Steven Greers latest conference

"Hi all.
This is the NEW Steven Greer conference from february.
It deserves it's own thread, no one has hardly seen this here."

I have already stated my opinions on that thread, so there is no point in restateing that which has already been argued so eloquently by many here.

Two weeks later we arrive here....................

Originally posted by tock

I did have to sign 2 or 3 piece of paper. Let me tell you one good thing about the price. It sure keeps most of the "less desirables", away from this. Which is nice when you are doing all this seriously.

I suspected two weeks ago that we where looking at the fledgling steps of a quasi-cult movement, so I'am not shocked when I see the elitest arrogance of the above quote.

So far I have seen no one rushing to these threads screaming " Tin Hats", which tells me that the majority of posters are like minded people who have a belief that we are not alone.

Their desire for evidence to be released and scrutinised is perfectly logical, it is no witch hunt.

The NVA issue, I see as being the crux of the debate to this point. One can either believe blindly or one can look at the evidence and draw a conclusion from it. If the evidence is withheld and kept within the circle of the paying customers, then there is nothing to analyse, nothing to base an informed opinion on, nothing but belief in someone else's paradigm ( At a price ofcourse).

The truth is uncomfortable. The truth is, any evidence presented will be picked over unmercifully. And guess what that is exactly how an investigation is conducted.

If the truth can not be held up to scrutinity, then it is no truth at all.


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Originally posted by torsion
Tock, on your personal blog we find this, which has a direct link to where the unwary can hand over $800.

Do you receive any payment for hits or successful applicants deriving from your blog?

This is my participation to assist in disclose the presence of ETs. In hope we can finally get the technology that was reverse engineered from the crafts and also technology created on our planet that has been shelved.

Tell me again Torsion, what are you doing to assist disclosure?
Haven't you read my other thread about how we can it happend?

Why are you blaming me for trying to make this whole thing move forward?

I don't get a single penny for all this. I do this entirely free. My lectures are free. My advices are free. And will always be. Obviously, I don't have a business to run, so the time I put in all this is volunteering. I'm glad I can assist this way. I don't have any political influence, I'm not a wealthy person. But I still manage to help in other ways.

ANd you Torsion, how are you assisting this whole field of research? You have been asking me question, constantly, but you have never responded to any of mine...

Maybe because, you don't do anything to help, but rather bother the people that are trying to.

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Originally posted by Alpha Grey
So Greer gives the money away ?? that not what you said earlier about him needing the money for expenses......so which is it ?? he either needs the money or he gives it away ??

And WHY does he give it away ??? something is not right with this picture....

How about keeping CSETI going and educating the people at the same time.
Isn't fantastic? They have quite a lot of expenses, so this is a great way to assist them.

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Originally posted by Togetic
I have wavered back and forth about this. Based on the assumption that this is the most important knowledge in human history, then CSETI should be required to disgorge its information to all of us. Just as the government should. No one should have a monopoly on this information. If this were a corporate secret like the formula for Coke, then there is not enough of a compelling interest for the information to be exposed. But this is the most monumental thing in history. We can't be content with allowing it to remain hidden. If CSETI were open about their techniques, then voluntary donations would probably make up any loss for not charging people.

And better yet, coming from the business world, what better way to advertise a product than to, well, ADVERTISE IT! If they were to disgorge all of their information they would sell out for the next decade tomorrow! They would have so much money that they wouldn't know what to do with it.

Okay, go ahead and say it isn't about the money. In actuality, until otherwise proven, it is. It always will be until they actually and truly disclose something.

Like I said, if they do this then they won't have any problems selling out their campouts for three times what they are charging now.

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Originally posted by tock
Tell me again Torsion, what are you doing to assist disclosure?
Haven't you read my other thread about how we can it happend?

Why are you blaming me for trying to make this whole thing move forward?

But in your previous posts you have implied that Greer already has the evidence and he won't share it with us, the unimportant people. He refuses to allow people who have paid him for a lecture to disclose what they have learned. He won't allow people to record supposed space craft that he somehow magically summons. You describe peole who cannot afford the entry fee as 'low lifes', or words to that effect.

So where is the disclosure? I see nothing but a deceitful scam that smells worse than a recently used alien probe.