david seredas "the case for nasa ufos" film

Look closer. Many pulsating objects. With both close up shots and far away shots. He even takes time to do a frame by frame analysis of them.

Originally posted by nightsider


there are some interesting things on those videos, but almost all of them can be explained... this has made me much more skeptical.

its a shame that people dont do their resarch a little better before making a documentary, because things like these really hurt the credibility of serious ufo researchers.

i just wanted to share my impression with everybody.

I hear you there. However, and I'm not saying that this was his intention or that he is part of the disinfo org, but sometimes people will put stuff together in a way to confuse the issue. What better way to throw a curveball to UFO believers than by presenting a documentary to prove that they exist but one that has issues as you have mentioned?

Anyways, you should really watch the whole thing first. I know, you lose the thought that you want to post about when you wait but most of the time it is explained later on.

Originally posted by tock
I don't see a black hole, or 2/3 dents in your picture,

Each camera type has its own quirky results but they're all basically the same. My Fuji Finepix doesn't produce a notch but a flat edge as you can see. Both give a central 'black hole', again, as you can see.

and there is no sign of pulsating wave pattern in your picture...

'pulsing wave pattern' is just invented jargon to imply some kind of advanced technology when it is really the particles tumbling and reflecting different amounts of unfocused light.

So they are 2 similar, but very different phenomenon.

They are both examples of the exact same phenomena. Unfocused pinpoints of light. The phenomenon is in the camera not the object.


[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]

Originally posted by dariousg

I hear you there. However, and I'm not saying that this was his intention or that he is part of the disinfo org, but sometimes people will put stuff together in a way to confuse the issue. What better way to throw a curveball to UFO believers than by presenting a documentary to prove that they exist but one that has issues as you have mentioned?

Anyways, you should really watch the whole thing first. I know, you lose the thought that you want to post about when you wait but most of the time it is explained later on.

i never wanted to to say that sereda is some kind of disinfo agent, or whatever, and i dont think he is...

he sure looks like he knows a lot of things about physics and astronomy...

but what i do think is that he knows what we are seeing in most of the videos
(unfocused particles), because he is a smart guy, and im sure he gave the tapes to someone for analysis. he has a theory, and he wanted some concrete proof for it, so he used these videos.

and if he did this on purpose then i have little respect for him, despite his intelligence.

Still Ignoring the pulsating effect, it has rhythm too You can probably calculate the pulsation frequency in Hertz if you took the time to look at it properly.

You guys are funny
Maybe I could suggest something...might be time for new glasses

[edit on 26-3-2007 by tock]

tock,

we explained the pulsating effect to you at least two times....

im not going into that anymore.

[edit on 26-3-2007 by nightsider]

You're explanation is flawed. As simple as that.

Originally posted by tock
You're explanation is flawed. As simple as that.

fine, whatever.

maybe my explanation is too complicated....

i dont care about you, but hopefully other people will find this thread useful.

people who are not, you know, .......... fanatics.

Originally posted by nightsider


he sure looks like he knows a lot of things about physics and astronomy...

but what i do think is that he knows what we are seeing in most of the videos
(unfocused particles), because he is a smart guy, and im sure he gave the tapes to someone for analysis. he has a theory, and he wanted some concrete proof for it, so he used these videos.

and if he did this on purpose then i have little respect for him, despite his intelligence.

You're a pretty dismissive person, wont to think the worst of people. I think Sereda's sincere, and I believe him about the timeline of his ideas Why not? What's in it for him to lie, considering his whole proposal is extremely controversial? Crack open that brain for a few minutes and think about the whole of what's being presented.

Sereda states plainly in the video it was the analysis of the STS tether footage that led him to his theory, which is actually quite viable imho. Einstein's brake on the speed of light (E=mc2) has been shown to be empirically flawed--photons CAN travel faster than light, so you go back to Planck's E=hf.

Frankly Einstein led us down the garden path; Planck, Maxwell and Tesla were on the right track and need to be rehabilitated.

Sereda's proposition makes perfect sense re: Planck's equation; black holes are where matter moves or attains frequencies beyond light speed. Simple and elegant.

But all that came out of dustbunnies. Our bad. Sheesh we're idiots.

[edit on 27-3-2007 by gottago]

Originally posted by gottago
I think Sereda's sincere, and I believe him about the timeline of his ideas Why not? What's in it for him to lie...

Money, simple as that.

If Sereda is as intelligent as some of you claim then he knows that the NASA footage shows particles from a ruptured tether and not 3km wide alien space ships!

He is wise enough, however, to know that there are a lot of gullible people out there with spare cash at hand and they will fall for his wild yarns.

Afterall, nobody is going to fork out cash for a dvd that shows dust particles, Sereda knows this so he has to invent a fanciful and exotic explanation for the same footage. Throw in a bit of technical sounding guff, that nobody really understands but think it sounds cool, and you'll have people hanging on your every word - and eager to hand over more cash for the next dvd that contains video footage of aircraft (passed off as more alien space craft, of course!).

I'm sure he drives a Rolls...

Then why does he have the video on youtube and google? Those aren't exactly pay-per-view...

Today, there is very little money to be made with DVDs.
Then end on youtube, torrent, and other places free.
Only the supporters will actually buy the movies, people like me.

Trust me, I'm sure the cash they make probably covers just the editing time and the camera mens hired to do it.

That whole cash cow issue is not holding today.

Originally posted by gottago
I'm sure he drives a Rolls...

Then why does he have the video on youtube and google? Those aren't exactly pay-per-view...

Has Sereda put the videos on Youtube/Google or has someone ripped them and put them there without his permission? If he has put them up there will his latest release go straight on the Internet for free? I doubt it!

Could also be a form of promotion as a great deal of money can be made on the lecture circuit.

Regardless of how much money he is making is still doesn't explain why he is passing of tether debris as spaceships!

And Dan Akroyd... you think he is doing this for the money as well ? I do not think so... he is already full of cash...

Trust me you don't get rich just doing a DVD for UFOs

I do think their motives are sincere.

I do think they are sincere too.
And i know how much friggin work is to edit a movie so it's fun to watch, I know it's time consuming.

Of course, you would want all this for free right torsion?

Tell me Torsion, have you assisted in disclosing all this information in the last 5 or 10 years? What have you do that can be share FREE to everyone on this planet.

Don't tell me you would. I bet once you notice how much work is involved behind such work, you would start thinking to charge for it too.

Originally posted by tock

Of course, you would want all this for free right torsion?

I've no objection to anyone making money from their work. I do object to people passing off false information in order to obtain money. Sereda is claiming that particles of debris are of unknown origin. Likewise, Ray Santilli made a fortune selling videos and dvds which he claimed depicted a genuine alien autopsy. He finally admits he lied when he gets greedy for more money by selling the movie rights to his story.

Tell me Torsion, have you assisted in disclosing all this information in the last 5 or 10 years?

I was one of the first people to disclose, in print, the fact that the Santilli video was fake way back in 1994. What has either Sereda or Greer disclosed? Nothing but bunkum that people who think they know about ufology fall for. It's very easy to deceive the gullible and get them to part with their cash. That is if you are immoral and heartless enough to do it.

What have you do that can be share FREE to everyone on this planet.

All this advice and guidance I am passing across now in the hope of exposing the charlatans who are ruining ufology is entirely for free, with no agenda attached.

Since you can't physical prove anything you are saying, you were not there in the shuttle. I'll take everything you say as what it is: Your opinion.

We are still free to share our opinion, and people can make money out of stating their opinion.

David Serada believe these Things are UFOs, that's his opinion, and is mine too.

Because you don't believe it is, doesn't mean it isn't.

Originally posted by tock

David Serada believe these Things are UFOs, that's his opinion, and is mine too.

Looking back through the thread it seems that all your claims are simple reiterations of what Sereda says in his dvd. You even say, 'I'll have to listen again,' to clarify one of the points you are trying making.

I conclude that everything is Sereda's opinion and none of what you have said is your own personal thought, theory or idea.

That's why I suggested using your camera to reproduce the dust particle effect for yourself. That's how you prove things, by personal experimentation - not by hanging on to every word of another person.

Have you tried the little experiment with the camera?

I did, I get orbs too. But they don't have any dents on the sides, they are always flat and they don't tilt on the side. They don't have any pulsating effect on them either. On none of the frame do they seem to have an energy level indicationg, UNLIKE the one we see on the NASA video, which is in fact, By the way, you might have missed that, only visible with UV

So, we are really talking about 2 very distinct things.

Do i have to re-invent the wheel? Are we going to reproduce every friggin invention that came to this planet just to see if it's right?

I don't have the kind of time to dig deep in the same type of work David has been involved with. I'm very satisfied by his research, and i have better things to do.

Originally posted by tock

David Serada believe these Things are UFOs, that's his opinion, and is mine too.

yeah, but a person can believe in a lot of things, and that doesnt mean that they are true.

discussion with you are very similar to discussions i have with hard core religious people. everything is based on faith, and when you present them with facts, they get very defensive and always say: " i believe it, so its true for me"

and thats just wrong....