UFO Photos Extremly Close Up, 2006

Hi KingAmongstMen

can I ask you, are you a photographer? I'm not being funny, i would really like to know.
thanks

Originally posted by Ambergambler
Hi KingAmongstMen

can I ask you, are you a photographer? I'm not being funny, i would really like to know.
thanks

No i'm not a photographer. I'm a freelance graphic designer; although i did a design course in college, photography was part of the course.

I'm in no way a professional, but the stuff i'm speaking on is only basic photography stuff

There are some people in this thread who are very close to being banned. One apologized (weakly) for being immature and will be spared if he continues in a civil manner.

The rest of you who seem incapable of carrying on a friendly conversation need to MOVE ON NOW.

There is no reason to think Ambler is hoaxing anything at this point. Even if this object turns out to be some mundane craft (R-C Model Plane, etc...) it certainly possible she saw it from a great enough distance to not know what it was.

If it turns out (from the analysis we have being done) the object was very close to her AND an R-C Model plane (or something of that nature) then we have a different situation.

All that being said, ATS is NOT the place for immature flame throwing, insults or rude BORING arseholeness and we won't tolerate it.

Every person who agrees to work with us by way of turning over all the RAW DATA, as Ambler has done, is entitled to and WILL RECEIVE a courteous exchange in this forum.

The next person who insults, is rude to or in anyway is less than civil to Ambler is out for a three day post ban at a minimum.

Springer...

[edit on 3-26-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by KingAmongstMen

Originally posted by crowpruitt
Where is your proof of "without a shadow of a doubt?"

Look its good to be skeptical,but lets give Amber a little courtesy.She seems like a nice person and I don't see any reason for her to lie.

[edit on 26-3-2007 by crowpruitt]

I said i know without a shadow of a doubt; i, being me.

I'm not trying to suggest she doesn't come across as a nice person. As for reasons to lie, what reasons do any hoaxsters have to lie?

If you were familiar with photography you might understand why i don't believe this. The effect of these photos can be achieved with ease. Get some sort of object, attatch lights and mess with the exposure settings. A black or very dark electric model 'plane would look transparent with the exposure settings altered.

For better understanding of how this works i will post an image of moving cars with camera exposure tweaked




That is how I(me) believe without a shadow of a doubt this is nothing more than a hoax, i'm sure others with knowledge of photography will echo my opinions also.

This is a common fallacy - confusing the necessary and sufficient. A -> B implies notB -> notA, but it does NOT imply if B -> A. All dogs are mammals, but not all mammals are dogs.

It is probably possible to hoax ANY photograph with enough time and skill. It is, after all, just pixels in a file. That does not mean that a given photograph is a hoax.

Just incase you missed my earlier question Amber

Originally posted by pantha
You say that the whole encounter lasted for about 40 minutes, but unless I've missed it , I don't think you mentioned how the object departed from the scene?

I just wondered did it go down out of sight or up , shoot away into the distance or simply disappear?

Pantha, it's around 6.45 in the evening here so I expect Amber is up to her eyes in the kids' supper/bedtime ritual. I'm sure she'll be back later to answer your question.

Whilst there is something of a hiatus on this thread, I'd like to say how impressed I am with the quality of administration/moderation on this site. Just thought you might like to know that!

[edit on 26-3-2007 by Mollo]

The Mods here are top-notch as you stated Mollo.That is one of the many ,many reasons ATS is so great!As you probably read Springers post ,these guys(mods)don't mess around here.Flaming and unruly behavior is not tolerated here.On the flip side hoaxes aren't either(not implying your photos are a hoax,btw).BEWARE OF THE BAN HAMMER!I'd like to add that I really look forward to what the experts have to say,who are also top-notch.

[edit on 26-3-2007 by crowpruitt]

Originally posted by pantha
Just incase you missed my earlier question Amber

Originally posted by pantha
You say that the whole encounter lasted for about 40 minutes, but unless I've missed it , I don't think you mentioned how the object departed from the scene?

I just wondered did it go down out of sight or up , shoot away into the distance or simply disappear?

Hi there
the lights on the craft, did at points turn off, when it did, it would vanish completely.

Running alongside the hill is a long road, you can see if from the google link I sent, right at the bottom is a crossroad, as a car would turn the corner its headlights would shine up in an arc across the hill, as soon as it was about to illuminate the craft, the things lights would all go out, not one at a time, just all at once, there was no glow left from the tubes, just dark. Then sometimes the lights would go out just leaving the blue lights at the end of each wing. It did this a few times, we'd moved up the hill a bit and were crouched down in a small burrow up and to the left. All the lights went out then and they never came back on, that was the way it ended.

We didn't stay there, my partner did suggest that we walk along the path up the hill a bit more, but I really didn't like that idea, so we left. I did look back a few times, but saw nothing. As soon as we got close to the bottom of the hill we noticed a car pull up across our exit, this was when we meet one of the first other witnesses.

So it didn't fly up, or over the hill, as far as I could tell, although once the lights went out it could have gone anywhere and you wouldn't have seen it.

DjMessiah

I have put the photos I took in 2004 up online for you to see, there is also a word doc in there, with a description of the events, rather than post it all here. The photos were taken with a different camera. I dont know what we saw then either, although it was quite different from this time.

uksoundlabs.com...


Hi khunmoon

you asked about the other witnesses and any media.

All of the other witnesses filed a report with various people down in wiltshire ( mainly UFO reserchers), i'm sure this could be followed up, one of the reporters was particularly well known.

We declined to be interviewed, and we put under some pressure I might add. Funny really, I was told I had to tell people, that keeping it to myself was not a good thing, that telling people would help others to come forward with their experences. I didn't agree with this at the time, and until my post on ATS we had never presented this account to the media or allowed ourselves to be interviewed ( and we have been asked), I felt ATS was different, a more understanding arena to see what reaction I would get

I have been quite surprised by the reaction, its been a lot harsher than I thought it would be, so now I think we did the right thing by keeping this to ourselves till now, in a certain amount of anonymity.


[edit on 26-3-2007 by Ambergambler]

Amber, there was a question from Khunmoon on the previous page that you might have overlooked about the video and other witnesses.



[edit on 26-3-2007 by Mollo]

[edit on 26-3-2007 by Mollo]

Whoops, sorry. I see you have done that!

From the Word document:

AAt 12am on the 27 we were up on Adams grave in Wiltshire, we carried on
going and ended up on the next hill along looking out over the fields below
the white horse. At 10 past 12 we saw on the horizon a large bright orange
light appear, as we watched another appeared along side it. At one point
there were 6 light randomly placed in the sky, all orange. Then they all
disappeared. I got my digital camera out and pointed it the direction of the
lights, the sequence of photos was taken over 30 mins.

Suddenly they reappeared very definitely in the shape of a triangle with one
just above the right hand point. A few more lights appeared other side of
the main triangle appearing and disappearing, but the triangle remained.
Then they all vanished for a minute or two only to reappear again as the
triangle shape, slightly moved to the left side a few feet from the original
position.

We saw the triangle shape disappeared and reappear about three time. In the
time that it vanished (the light just went out) other lights randomly placed
would show up. The appeared like a light bulb being switched on and off. No
trails, no obvious movement other than slight deviation to the left.

The triangle shape appeared again for a few minutes then they all vanished.

I saw something very much like this on 20 August 1995 near Skillman, New Jersey, USA. It went on for some time until the waning gibbous moon rose. However, the bright orange lights I saw were all in about the same direction (South, toward Lawrenceville area), and were never randomly distributed.

The only explanation I've been able to half believe is some sort of prank with flares, but why someone would do this is beyond me.

I like the 2004 photo: DSC03223.

It looks like the object has a set of headlights performing a turn. All under the light of the moon, too!

Well done for posting them.

Originally posted by Ambergambler

I have been quite surprised by the reaction, its been a lot harsher than I thought it would be, so now I think we did the right thing by keeping this to ourselves till now, in a certain amount of anonymity.


[edit on 26-3-2007 by Ambergambler]

Ambler, please check your U2U inbox. Don't be surprised, the amount of hoaxers who have tried to "sell their wares" here is astounding and that's the driving factor behind most of the "negative reactions".

A few of the others are just people who lack social grace, well, they will learn social grace or they will find somewhere ELSE to spend their time online.

Springer...

The 2004 pictures are far more interesting.

The exif data matches the 2004 dates you refer to and I can't see anything that I would say makes it a hoax. But we are looking at a picture of a group of orange(ish) lights on a nightsky background.

I feel rather cheated, I've driven passed Silbury on my daily commute for over 10 years, day & night and never seen a thing.

hi timb3r

i'm jealous of you I wish I got the chance to drive past Silbury every night
In regards to the photos of 2004, the horizon line can be worked out by the two/three little lights on DSC03225/DSC03225/DSC03230, right side below moon, i'm sure they were lights on the ground ( i think they were)

Well if you're an avid sky-watcher then I'd highly recommend Star Hill & Cley Hill, near Warminster.

Star Hill has the old the hippy commune "shed" still, which is covered with "ufo graffiti" from the late 60's, after Warminster became famous for it's very own UFO story in 1964.

I believe Springer mentioned the hoaxers before. -- Amber situations like these where 90% of people who claim similir stories like your are faking it, you have to understand the level of suspiscion that some people have. I had my doubts before but given that you have been very forthcoming with info I have no doubt that the pictures are real. They may not be ET spacecrafts, but they are de. Unidentified Flying Objects

Originally posted by Ambergambler
DjMessiah

I have put the photos I took in 2004 up online for you to see, there is also a word doc in there, with a description of the events, rather than post it all here. The photos were taken with a different camera. I dont know what we saw then either, although it was quite different from this time.

uksoundlabs.com...




[edit on 26-3-2007 by Ambergambler]

I'm looking at this...I'm delighted to see the moon in the frame...Adam's Grave is about here? I know it should be a little East of the White Horse (carved into the hillside in 1812, according to one site).

The phase of the moon in the images is right for 28 July 2004. It's waxing gibbous, so at 1 A.M. you're looking in a generally Southwest direction.

The lights don't appear to be point sources, but are 4-5 pixels in extent. The Moon is roughly 50 pixels, so these sources subtend about 1 milliradian - they are about 1 meter wide for every kilometer distant.

My only difficulty is that the moon should have set around midnight GMT on 28 July, and should not have been up when the EXIF data says the images were taken. Was the local time on the camera BST? I believe that's one hour ahead of GMT, so the moon should have been well set from that location. The document says the time was one hour earlier than that, when the moon would have been just above the Southwest horizon.

Image Created: 2004:07:28 01:19:06

I'd love to see photos from one of the adjacent hills, so we could estimate a distance.

I wish I had such good images from 1995. I had an old Minolta SLR, and the film I had loaded was completely unsuited for this sort of thing, and the results were null. These do look very similar to what I saw, however, you report that they came on like a light switching on, and mine I saw rising and then setting at the horizon, so a common explanation may be elusive.

Hi disownedsky

thanks for that post, really interesting The time shown on the camera is wrong, we took the photos around 12.10, and stayed there for about 30 mins, we had to be back at 1am, Maybe i didn't set the camera to BST, I cant remeber, but I noticed the time was wrong on the photos.

From a wittness who was also there:

At 23:55, a ball suddenly appeared right in front of us above the skyline, followed by a second one and a third one. These steady lights, shining of a very pure white, went on and off while remaining at the same place. We saw approximately more than 60 lights within 15 minutes. Some of them remained on for 3 seconds, others for 40 seconds, even twice forming a perfect isoceles triangle.

This observation occured in complete silence.

We were lucky to film this spectacle with the 3 digital cameras we had.

At that very same time, we heard the others shouting: Canadians and Americans had seen other light balls in the opposite direction.

The ambiance was frenzied, the spectacle was occuring everywhere...

While wondering what we were waiting for earlier on, we never expected to witness such a spectacle.

At 12:15, everything stopped through a weird milky lightning: There was no storm though, and it was not a light coming out of a camera’s flash.

Conversations succeeded to excitement. We could not believe our eyes. My son *****, aged 7 in 1994, witnessed a luminescent triangle above the Vence Pass and was now experiencing a similar situation 10 years after his first time.

It was the 3rd time in our life my wife and I would see this kind of manifestation.

This first visit in Wiltshire was a total success for ***, *** and *** who also witnessed manifestations at the Vence Pass.

We were all puzzled.

The next day, we first rushed back to the crop that had appeared over the night and afterwards went to see the ones near Avebury.

So this was the man I mentioned in the word doc, I would like to say, I contacted this man in 2006 and was meet with a certain amount of hostility, I felt ( he didn't seem happy to hear from me at all). He has just released a UFO documentry. I felt his full account of this sighting had been expanded apon and elaborated, there are things he said, that I dont remember happening. Who knows!!!

[edit on 27-3-2007 by Ambergambler]