Video: American Soldiers Shooting Iraqi Civilians

Originally posted by Malichai
Representing The Land of Freedom of Speech you would dare attempt to impose censorship?

Am I supposed to let you and yours choke me with my own freedom?

Here, state-side, the only violence is caused by the "peace-protesters". The only damage to people and property is by you and your anti-american friends. And you hide behind the protection of my constitution?

Not only should you be ashamed of yourself...

Believe me when I tell you, the silent majority is nearly at the end of its tolerance rope.

just one word, bastards

and people wonder where all the hatered for america comes from when you view that kind of material and also stuff like this:-

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

this:-

www.youtube.com...

and this:-

globalresearch.ca...

also this:-

www.radicalleft.net...

personally i forgot who the terrorists was a long time ago, america needs to get its training sorted out because the mentality of american troops is pathetic, even the vietnam war all you read about was (drugs/rapes/murder/torture).



[edit on 25-3-2007 by st3ve_o]

Am I supposed to let you and yours choke me with my own freedom?

How exactly are you being choked with this video?

What rights of yours are being trampled upon?

How greatly would you suffer if the war ended and everyone went home?

Believe me when I tell you, the silent majority is nearly at the end of its tolerance rope.

Implying what exactly? That you are prepared to do what is required to take away freedoms from Americans?

Why do you hate our freedom?

[edit on 25-3-2007 by Malichai]

Maybe they were taking fire from a sniper or something. Who cares if a few people die, the only bad thing is you people cry about it. I wish I was on the roof and you were driving on that road, I would have lit your ass up.

Originally posted by TheKing66
Maybe they were taking fire from a sniper or something. Who cares if a few people die, the only bad thing is you people cry about it. I wish I was on the roof and you were driving on that road, I would have lit your ass up.

Who cares? Much of the world cares, and maybe a majority in America.

They are human beings.

You should care even more than the rest because of the results as these images are shown around the world.

You should wish that this does not happen again, if you care at all for America!

Few things we must have in mind here:

Firstly - we really do not know what was going on here and if somebody was shooting on these marines, because we were not there. Not that I am defending any kind of shooting of Iraqi civilians.

Secondly - combat stress can cause soldiers to start to "enjoy" shooting and killing people. For them is either "them or us" and yes they are well trained killers and they have to shoot and kill for their daily job.

Thirdly - if they really shot innocent civilians for pleasure, that makes them criminals and not marines anymore and why the hell were they video recording themselves while committing war crimes?

Fourth - shooting like this in the middle of the day does not exactly win hearts and minds of Iraqi people and do not act surprised why then some people living in Iraq decide to start paying back.

[edit on 25/3/07 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Malachi

Who cares? Much of the world cares, and maybe a majority in America.

They are human beings.

No offense here but you are implying that those were innocent civilians shot for no apparent reason. That has not been proven and for all we know they could have been more combatants joining the fight. The situation they drove themselves into was hardly docile, they drove into a firefight that was going on before they arrived. At the very least it shows very poor judgement on their part. It's not like they didn't hear the comotion going on, that amount of gunfire is pretty loud.

Yes they are humans, most people are. Are you to hold back when someone is firing at you trying to kill you and your troop? You don't have the luxury of second guessing when you are in a fight like that. Are people trying to kill you somehow more human than your brothers in arm?

If you were in a firefight and receiving incoming rounds and you saw vechiles pull up to the place where the firing is coming from, would you cease firing and allow them to enter the building? Be honest with yourself. If some one is attacking you, under rules of engagement, I am pretty sure you are allowed to fire back with extreme prejudice, can someone in the know explain that better than I just did.

It doesnt look good but exactly what in Iraq does look good? We're talking about a war zone. Hate the war all you want but dont hate the troops who are put through more # in a days time then you will probably experience in your life. Its easy to judge them when your sitting in a cozy house with not a care in the world. Must be nice to be able to judge others while their ass is on the line while you keep the status as the "arm chair general"...

If those were innocent Iraqis and not enemy combatants then the soldiers should be punished. to me at the end when they say cease fire, it sounds like it was a well organized controlled firing or suppressive firing. Then somewhere in there theyre talking about a sniper round and so on and so forth. So they were probably returning fire as soon as they got a beed on where the sniper was fireing from. And maybe they were engaged and got a lil trigger happy during a fire fight. I dont know. If that is the case their should be some form of trial punishment. We just dont know enough yet..

Good to see a a low quality 2 min. and some odd seconds video which really doesn't show what they are shooting at or what is shooting back at them is all the evidence some people need. Surely that small video clip shows the whole story

Guilty till proven innocent

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Good to see a a low quality 2 min. and some odd seconds video which really doesn't show what they are shooting at or what is shooting back at them is all the evidence some people need. Surely that small video clip shows the whole story

Guilty till proven innocent

People see what they want to see. Brave US soldiers fighting a war where you don't know the enemy, or senseless murderers picking off grocery shoppers for pleasure.

Really denying ignorance here, on both sides

Originally posted by Esoterica


People see what they want to see. Brave US soldiers fighting a war where you don't know the enemy, or senseless murderers picking off grocery shoppers for pleasure.

Really denying ignorance here, on both sides

Some people just dont like making knee jerk judgements after short video clip that doesn't show all that much clearly.

All evidence should be considered before anyone decides, and we simply dont have that here.

That's exactly what I was saying. We've got a short clip of some guys shooting and yelling. That's not enough information to form an opinion either way, but most people have already made up their minds about what was going on.

The sad part is, I don't think it's because those people don't really care about the lives of the Iraqis or the marines in the video. They just care about their worldview being reinforced.

I've just realised where I have seen this kind of footage before, it was Germans laughing while they shot Jews, Russians and anyone else they saw as inferior. And they to were ridding the world of those who they saw as a threat to their future and global interests.

Its funny how history has a habit of repeating itself, all those same words and phrases uttered by the Nazis and their supporters now come from the mouths of Americans and their Goverment.

Originally posted by Esoterica
That's exactly what I was saying. We've got a short clip of some guys shooting and yelling. That's not enough information to form an opinion either way, but most people have already made up their minds about what was going on.

The sad part is, I don't think it's because those people don't really care about the lives of the Iraqis or the marines in the video. They just care about their worldview being reinforced.

Ah we are on the same page then. Its sad that people have such strong views either way that any tiny bit of info will reinforce their opinion, when they dont even have the whole story.

Originally posted by Malichai

But these are not cops, and this is not suburbia, these are Marines, and this is the front lines.

Actually it is suburbia, in Iraq. It is not the front lines. The Iraqi army was defeated.

And are you glad that you have police officers bound by constitutional law guarding over you instead of foreign soldiers not bound by law who shoot civilians for their own hedonistic entertainment?

Are you kidding me? Not bound by law? Do some research before posting! It's called the LOAC...Laws of Armed Conflict. Check it out sometime.

This is disgusting. They cheer and holler about "filling that guy up with thirty rounds". I hope these "soldiers are charged with murder.

The video in question unfortunately does not really show whether or not those shot are involved or just caught in the cross fire. All i can say is that I have seen other references above to videos and cases where conduct is just unacceptable. Yeah it is war, no rules, everything is valid, but we are human beings, we are suppose to be smarter than that. After reading cases of murder, rape, torture by troops over seas. I would not be surprised if those in the video getting shot were actually "civilians" just caught in the cross fire and the soldiers are actually enjoying it all. Tell me, what was the purpose of this?

It says right there in the video that "no unarmed people were harmed during shooting"... I saw no evidence that the Marines were shooting at civilians, did you? I saw no ricochets, no bullet pocks, no blood. I saw a couple of cars drive into a fire fight in-progress, and I saw a body in the street. Those drivers may have been civilians, or they may have been trying to rescue their insurgent sniper friend — how are the Marines to know? There's nothing in this video that definitively identifies the "Iraqi civilians" as Iraqis or as civilians at all.

In any event, stupid move to get between a Marine and his target.

— Doc Velocity

Again, the arguement is useless. By reading the threads majority rules. They are indeed just doing there jobs. The Arm chair Generals (ACG) will never understand and dont get me wrong they are important too. Sometimes the ACGs see something that looks wrong and it is causing a balance in the world. You do have a special place my friends.

I never said we need to be in Iraq but we are. Dont you worry, the Democrats are coming who are anti-war. They will pull out troops and cut military spending then do what they do best.........democratically..........which means cut the military and spend your money lining people pockets of foreign countries. The war doesnt go away at that point because it will still go on but not in medias attention.

Besides, money doesnt kill people right?

Ah right.

This video makes me sick. I know the majority of soldiers in Iraq have the utmost respect for their job and their country, but this is appauling. To laugh out of joy for shooting a guy in the head and on top of that film it to show your buddies back home is, to say the least, a clinically insane thing to do. I like the caption at the end of the film "no unarmed people were harmed" LOL, right. If these men were mounting an attack, they wouldn't just drive right in front of the buliding. THAT WAS MURDER... no other way to put it. Bad apples ruin the bunch, and these guys are draining the respect I have for our soldiers.