Absolute, Most Solid Proof..

To start off, I believe this would be my first post as I joined not too long ago. I've been an avid reader and visitor over the past six months, on here or a related site nearly everyday. I am quite familiar with most of the aspects of the NWO, prison camps, plans to take over the world, secret bases, aliens, etc. However, as I've been reading, the information is jumbled and most stories seem to differ, while loosely tying together the NWO and what will be taking over the world in the coming years. My question or request or however anyone may see it is, state out the agenda of whatever the true body taking over the world may be i.e., the NWO, Omega Agency, Illuminati etc. How do they plan to implement this NWO? Where is the proof that any of this actually is going to happen? Is all of this being put together by odd clues such as the weird paintings in Denver random, unknown spaceships, stories of individual men? What is the most solid proof that all of this is being supported with? I'm not bashing as I believe it may be true, but I'm cloudy as to what exactly believe. I am quite aware of the increasing restrictions on the Constitution under the current administration and it scares me too. If I need to be clarified before some one can answer let me known.

PS- Nobody take this offensively, I'm not trying to discredit any individual I'd just like to know a little more.

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That should clarify some things for you but the most convincing is

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The guy who is talking in that was killed by the government.

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That should clarify some things for you but the most convincing is

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The guy who is talking in that was killed by the government.

Rothschilds Banking

Look into the North American Union (NAU), North American Free Trade Association (NAFTA), U.S. Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), the Trilatteral Comission, The Federal Reserve (FED).


And yes, Rothschilds. Rockefellers, Morgan alike. Watch them all.

youd probably enjoy reading this, maybe.

www.policestateplanning.com...

and heres a good interview with Russo by Alex jones

www.policestateplanning.com...

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I've read about the Rothschilds, The NAU, the NAFTA, etc, but what is making everyone think these are for malintended purposes? Has it occured to anyone that perhaps the NAFTA would benefit the United States, not simply be the footprint for a future NAU? Again, I believe it may be for worse purposes than good, but I'm asking as to why everyone believes this and what makes everyone think this potentially good legislation may honestly be the beginning of the end.

Wow, that would take a book, actually several, to explain in any depth.

It's a very good question, but my answer is that you should read as much as possible from various sources, and view and reflect upon current events and media management of them.

Once you understand the principles at work, you will see the disparate pieces of the agenda being pushed forward relentlessly, and be able to track their history.

Doubtless many ATSers will be providing you with links to pertinent materials; follow them and branch out from them on the subjects you find most compelling. Those reports will in turn take you farther on a journey of discovery.

Come back and report on what you've learned. Then join the resistance

The method in which you describe, reading various posts and branching out is how I've come to obtain all my knowledge now. I began with researching United States concentration camps, a tip from a friend. I began that research and have branched out, thus bringing me to this point today. From this point forward, allow this thread to house the most pertinent and solid information that any fellow ATSer is basing his or her beliefs on. That way, anybody doubting or wanting more information need only to come to this thread to get the real "gist" of the plans that are to occur. What is everybodys "smoking gun," proofwise, not opinion, that you all base your beliefs upon? Does anyone have any?

Here is Henry Kissinger in 1975 telling it like it is...
Here he is in a more recent interview with Charlie Rose where he speaks of a 'New International Order'...AKA the New World Order.

I see what you're getting at, but NWO is deeply multifaceted; I've been hard at it a year now and I'm still learning enormous amounts daily.

ATS's past threads are a great resource; I don't want to seem presumptuous but off the bat I'd suggest you take a look at my recent thread on numerology 9/11 on the 9/11 board for an intro into the interconnectedness of NWO, 9/11 and the occult underpinnings of secret societies and their actions. The discussion blossomed out in fascinating directions I had no inkling of, but which reaffirmed the thesis of the thread.

I'll try and post my favorite links later, but some of the most accessible NWO researchers are Tex Marrs, Alex Jones, Gordon Maxwell and Bill Marrs. There are a number of their videos on Google video and youtube. Not all of it is true, but they're all good at laying the foundations, and each is a strong personality in his own right, so you won't be bored.

Originally posted by Axe0312
I've read about the Rothschilds, The NAU, the NAFTA, etc, but what is making everyone think these are for malintended purposes?

Simple, one word answer......History.
History shows us time and time again that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
When there is one world government it will be the most corrupt the world has ever seen, absolutely corrupt.
THe fairy tales of the eutopian one worlders are non-sense.

but I'm asking as to why everyone believes this and what makes everyone think this potentially good legislation may honestly be the beginning of the end.

Common sense and critical thinking, two things the elite hate.

You know, I dont mean anything by this, but you ask the same type of questions the public relations firms ask.

I dont understand.
The first thing this guy Aaron Russo says is the 16th amendment was not ratified by the appropriate number of states to become official. I looked in the history books and it shows the dates each state ratified it. Should I even continue watching this video if the first thing he says is not correct?

once your done with the NWO start to research the people behind them, the Jesuit priest's and the black pope.

Can only agree with 11bravo on this one - history and lots of it. The biggest mistake is to get caught in the details, the truth and the clarity lie in the bigger picture. Trust me with a good all round knowledge of historical events from mid 1700s onwards - the dots just join themselves.

Start with a broad look at trade and colonialist expansionism in Europe and build on through the subsequent conflicts and agreements. In terms of the US, it starts getting really interesting around 1900.

The players have always - always been the same. Then 'til now. I cannot stress this enough, it is crystal clear when you come at it from this angle.

Originally posted by acmeartifacts
I dont understand.
The first thing this guy Aaron Russo says is the 16th amendment was not ratified by the appropriate number of states to become official. I looked in the history books and it shows the dates each state ratified it. Should I even continue watching this video if the first thing he says is not correct?

History books will state whatever the owners of history want them to. No, not all of the states ratified this amendment. So, yes, keep watching. He is not lying.

Look into the topic of this discussion. It's about the NWO! Why would you go to a text that is pretty much governed. The history books also show Washington as a great man yet they never mention the number of slaves he owned. Granted, he may have still been a great man but it wouldn't serve the purpose of history and our great nation if that came out in the books. Don't believe everything you read in school texts. They are very biased.

Here is some information on what actually happened during the ratification of this amendment:

Bill Benson's findings, published in "The Law That Never Was," make a convincing case that the 16th amendment was not legally ratified and that Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he declared it ratified in February 1913. What follows is a summary of some of the major findings for many of the states, showing that their ratifications were not legal and should not have been counted.

The 16th amendment had been sent out in 1909 to the state governors for ratification by the state legislatures after having been passed by Congress. There were 48 states at that time, and three-fourths, or 36, of them were required to give their approval in order for it to be ratified. The process took almost the whole term of the Taft administration, from 1909 to 1913.

Knox had received responses from 42 states when he declared the 16th amendment ratified on February 25, 1913, just a few days before leaving office to make way for the administration of Woodrow Wilson. Knox acknowledged that four of those states (Utah, Conn, R.I. and N.H.) had rejected it, and he counted 38 states as having approved it. We will now examine some of the key evidence Bill Benson found regarding the approval of the amendment in many of those states.

How some of the states did not ratify the 16th Amendment

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Excellent post Dariousg - I have just read a great book called 'The Culture of Secrecy: The Government Versus the People's Right to Know'. which is a collection of reports on attempts to obtain government documents with the FOIA - stunningly jaw dropping in it's entirety.

The first chapter outlines that successive presidents through the use of executive orders have made illegal decisions in complete contravention of the constitution. Brilliant book, a little dry but worth the effort.

www.amazon.com...

Thats worth a read too quite old though, but still. Its a film too, dont have any links for it though.

Going to do it?
My good man, it's already done.

Well allow me to throw a twist into the road..

As I've read, it seems to me there there are two differing NWO conspiracy stories..

the first consists of the group of the global elite, who have been so for many hundreds of years, who plan to take over the world by means of their financial muscle...

.. and the other consists of a tale of aliens being the true runners of the planet from their underground Dulce base and that when the NWO will be implemented the truth about aliens will be revealed.

Do these tales collide? Are the rich teaming with the aliens for the NWO? Who are the true leaders?