Our Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Its working in europe and it will work here. "

So then it cant really suck can it. The whole point of it is to help share resources with your fellow man. Anyone apposed to this was probably apposed to the annexation of Texas and the Lousiana purchase then i take it?

THE BORDERS OF YOUR NATION ARE ARTIFICIAL AND MATERIAL THEY MEAN NOTHING

Originally posted by Starvald
"Its working in europe and it will work here. "

So then it cant really suck can it. The whole point of it is to help share resources with your fellow man. Anyone apposed to this was probably apposed to the annexation of Texas and the Lousiana purchase then i take it?

THE BORDERS OF YOUR NATION ARE ARTIFICIAL AND MATERIAL THEY MEAN NOTHING

From a citizen stand point of view it does suck. From a government point of view its great, much less of a hassle once it happens and much more control over its citizens. They can pass laws as many laws as they want to make it part of our constitution and we can't say anything about it. Someone in one of the other two countries now has a legal work permit in my country and all it will take is a drive over here and boom my job is gone. He'll work for minimum wage while I was working for 20 bucks an hour.

Thats the real reason why they're pushing this through. If the countries need to share resources why not buy it from the other countries WHY do they have to merge?

Originally posted by Starvald
"Its working in europe and it will work here. "

So then it cant really suck can it. The whole point of it is to help share resources with your fellow man. Anyone apposed to this was probably apposed to the annexation of Texas and the Lousiana purchase then i take it?

THE BORDERS OF YOUR NATION ARE ARTIFICIAL AND MATERIAL THEY MEAN NOTHING

We bought / conquered the land, filled it with our own people then made it a state. The people of the western united states where people from the Eastern united states, making them the same people.

Canadians for the most part are just like Americans, them coming into our system through annexation or some sort would make no difference, except a new influx of socialist.

Mexico has some 30 million people, and bringing them in, with a completely different culture would be suicide.

"multicultural" is "ok" as long as one culture dominates the other, hence our problems with Mexico, 15 million live in the US and its the ones who refuse to assimilate that cause the problems.

assimilation

your "multiculturalism" is none-existent. People from other cultures coming in and adopting your culture does not make you multicultural .. it makes you multi ethnic sure, but there is only one dominate culture. If a few million immigrate in a short amount of time and do NOT assimilate THEN you have multiculturalism, and it has not shown one ounce of good in all the western world. Britain, the true "multicultural" people live in separate communities and currently have been involved in several plots to attack civilians. France, the riots? Just a few symptoms of France loosing its identity to "multiculturalism" Ireland, the Poles, to many to fast now you have polish news papers for poles who live in polish only neighborhoods and have no plans to assimilate. American, Mexicans saturated the south western United States, the effect is cultural clashing which eventually brought about our new border concerns. Germany, when east and west combined, Turks where shunned and out cast.. not truly German they stuck to their own communities and still have trouble willingly adopting German custom.

"Multi culturalism" is a disease that infects nations and will bring them to their knees and the socialistic left doesn't give a damn as long as they can feel good about them selves.

Nationalism has not died. It has simply been made a taboo that anyone who admits to being a nationalist is some kind of Nazi.

Well I AM a nationalist and il say it again to the self righteous fool who said it was outdated. I AM AMERICAN. I could give a rats !% about Mexicans.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
There can never be a "world unity" as people of different makes dont want to be blended with other people.

I am American first, Human last.

If only everybody saw themselves as humans rather than nationals. They wouldn't have to blend, just stop thinking that one nation is better than another, and work together. Only when we set aside our differences can we properly start exploring space!

I want to see astronauts exploring space and crediting themselves as 'humans from Earth' rather than 'Americans' and 'Russians', etc. That's going a bit off topic though I spose.

As the North American Union, why do people think it's a bad thing? What are the pros and cons?

I dont think your understanding me friend.

I am a human as a species, however I am nothing like a Mexican, a Russian, a Iraqi, a Indian, a Brazillian, a German ...... we are all DIFFERENT ... and people with different ideas CANNOT live in peace if both sides are equally strong.. simple human nature..

I am American. I am a Human sure, but I don't walk around thinking "well thats a nice human right there!" "Hey, where you from? Oh your a human to huh" I am American. That is the end of it. People like me will never let some sick perverted raping of our nation take place from people of the likes of your self. I am not alone either.. many Americans feel the same way, even if most don't have the balls to speak up and do away with PC BS and hurt someones feelings. !@%% peoples feelings, thats what I say. Mexicans don't like it? Get out of my country!

the North American Union is about 2 things.

Generation of wealth

Exploitation of Mexico and cheap labor.

Why did France push the EU so badly?

Because the Frank was worth crap thats why. They benefit by keeping their currency high by using smaller states high GDP.. such as Luxumburg, Sweden, Ireland.. it keep French economy up.. why didn't Britain adopt the Euro? The Pound is worth more. France and other countries like Germany, Britain, Ireland, they can import cheap labor from Poland, Hungary, and other post Soviet states.. exploiting the workers for cheap labor to again.. keep the economy up.

SO why does America want to absorb Canada and Mexico? Canada for the economic boost as Canada's economy is doing good right now and Mexico to exploit the cheap labor.

Go buy a Ford car.. or at least check one out on the lot. Its a domestic American car no? .. 80% of it is built in Mexico. American companies are already down there.. now they need to be able to openly trade with no restriction to really help the numbers. Companies like GM, Ford, Pharmaceutical companies.. they will loose out to foreign companies unless America absorbs a cheap labor force and the biggest competitors..

It has nothing to do with "multiculturalism" or "being human and sharing the earth" or any other happy go lucky rainbows and unicorns you can think up.

Its about money, manipulation and exploitation. I would rather keep Mexicans Mexicans and Canadians Canadians and Americans Americans.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I dont think your understanding me friend.
...
People like me will never let some sick perverted raping of our nation take place from people of the likes of your self.

Ok bit of a change of tone there, no need for that.

As I said, we wouldn't have to blend in cultures with each other, I just wish that the worlds governments would stop being such religious-based ****s with each other and not worry about who's got the bigger military, etc.
I guess world peace is a bit far fetched though.

And I understand exactly where you're coming from, I even half-agree with you so there's no need for insults.

Mexicans don't like it? Get out of my country!

Well as a Brit I know what you mean by that and I feel for you, because I am against the mass immigrations that are happening in Britain. We have the problem just as bad, as you can see from many threads on here, some Muslims come to our country then try to change traditional British ways.
Unfortunately if we say "Muslims don't like it? Get out of my country!" we are flamed and called racist...

Originally posted by Starvald
"Its working in europe and it will work here. "

So then it cant really suck can it. The whole point of it is to help share resources with your fellow man. Anyone apposed to this was probably apposed to the annexation of Texas and the Lousiana purchase then i take it?

THE BORDERS OF YOUR NATION ARE ARTIFICIAL AND MATERIAL THEY MEAN NOTHING

Artificial? How dare you?!

America is my nation, and I will fight for its ideals to the death. Don't give me BS like that, America is one of the founders of modern libertarianism and one of the greatest nations to exist to this day.

Don't tell me that walking into Mexico means nothing. I'll fight for my common man when my common man will fight for me, and when they don't believe in such foolish things as tyranny and socialism.

"The people of the western united states where people from the Eastern united states, making them the same people. "

No they weren’t, the people from the Eastern United states were native americans, British and Irish the people in the West were a mixture predominatly of French, Spanish, Mexican and again natives.

“... and people with different ideas CANNOT live in peace if both sides are equally strong.. simple human nature..”

That isn’t true at all, infact its quite simply a load of nonsense. If you were to believe this then you deny the strong cultural diversity upon which the United States was originally founded.

I understand many people are naturaly Xenophobic and adopt some form of plastic nationalism but really when you understand what our goverments are trying to do and look at the bigger picture and see how this ultimatly benefits everyone it should be supported.


"Artificial? How dare you?!

America is my nation, and I will fight for its ideals to the death. Don't give me BS like that, America is one of the founders of modern libertarianism and one of the greatest nations to exist to this day.

Don't tell me that walking into Mexico means nothing. I'll fight for my common man when my common man will fight for me, and when they don't believe in such foolish things as tyranny and socialism."

If you are going to fight for its Ideals sign up for Iraq then, oh but wait, you wont becuase as much as it sounds good to spout this kind of nationalistic rhetoric you dont really give a toss. And while your thinking about signing up read some history.

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Actually, I'm probably going to join the Air Force.

My ideas are actually constructed very logically. The whole reason I care enough to learn about my country is because I'm forced to sit and watch globalists, socialists, and authoritarians try and change the nation for political gain. And what can I do but try and preserve what makes my nation great, even through my lack of power?

So you beleive America should have remaind within its territory of the 13 colonies then?

A... ignorance... where to start...

Ok.. As America approved the membership of up and coming states in the West, most where populated through great migration from the Eastern United states.

Now... pay attention here ok...

Native Americans where not Americans and did not populate any state.. their condition was sad indeed, they where lucky to get a little plot of land.

You may have been of German, Spanish decent or what have you, but the vast majority where second generation or more American emigrating for more land..

In Washington and Oregon the largest migrants where German and Irish.. and where throughly American. hence.. go to Washington and Oregon and no one is speaking German because they where AMERICAN.....

I don't think you understand culturalism at all! ..

why am I even arguing with you.. *sigh* .. I give up with some people..

Continue on with your fairy tales.

Originally posted by Starvald
So you beleive America should have remaind within its territory of the 13 colonies then?

There is nothing wrong with national conquest, as long as the cultures taken over are destroyed or limited to the point where it has minimal effect on your self.

America was mainly unpopulated save for the Indians which, the culture was destroyed resulting in us advancing without and Indian characteristics. Your analogies are working against you if your attempting intelligent debating..

Its alright being ignorant and down right wrong about things mate but i jsut dont see reason why you need act in such a way, however if you are intent on blindly following the rhetoric of ideologys such as Manifest Destiny then theres not a great deal of point in trying to explain things to you.

"There is nothing wrong with national conquest, as long as the cultures taken over are destroyed or limited to the point where it has minimal effect on your self"

This basicaly sums you up really. Your entitled to your beliefs i suppose, however generaly most people have evolved beyond this sort of imperialistic and barbaric reasoning for good reason[the reasons why would probably be lost on yourself]

[edit on 17-3-2007 by Starvald]

Originally posted by Starvald
So you beleive America should have remaind within its territory of the 13 colonies then?

It's a tough one. In the territories that we legally bought (Louisiana Purchase, Florida Purchase, and Alaska, I think we had every right to settle in. Texas and the Mexican Cession (and, subsequently, the Gadsden Purchase), I'm not completely sure about, due to the instability of the Mexican government at the time. However, Texas did declare its independence and desired annexation, so when Taylor ordered the U.S. Army to cross into that disputed territory, it may have been perfectly acceptable. The United States, no doubt, provoked the war, but right and wrong, and definite national boundaries, are hard to determine.
The Oregon Territory was an acceptable compromise.
I do not support the part that America played in the overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy, nor do I support the imperialism during and after the time of the Spanish-American War.

So you can at least accept how national borders are forever changing never entirely set in stone, the borders we know now that define our nations were radicaly different even 100 years ago and will be radicaly different 100 years from now. So people saying that theres no way mexico should be part of america becuase America is America, borders are there for a reason doesnt really make any sense when looking at how national borders have evolved over time.

[edit on 17-3-2007 by Starvald]

Oh yes, of course, but there is a clear difference between America and Mexico at this point in time. My fear is that, if we somehow unify with Mexico (I think it's highly unlikely), it will mean a restructuring of the government, and a possible violation of constitutional rights. Some people feel that the UN Charter should be held above the U.S. Constitution on U.S. soil...

I dunno, i can appreciate how much americans seem intent on upholding their constitution but lets be honest, its routinely ignored by your own goverment all the time anyway. Its like at what point do you keep upholding laws that were principaly designd to govern a society over 200 years ago?. If someone calls me a liar in front of witnesses can i drill him full of lead?, that was the done thing a while back, why not now?. Ultimatly things change. Though i understand where your comin from with the UN charter taking precedence over your own legal system, that same thing happens in Britain with the EU constitution.

Originally posted by Starvald
i can appreciate how much americans seem intent on upholding their constitution but lets be honest, its routinely ignored by your own goverment all the time anyway.

So, you are implying that since the government ignores the Constitution, we all should... after all, what's the point, right?

That type of thinking is ludicrous.

Originally posted by cyraxx
What will you do?????


Our country is going to be intergrated with mexico and canada! I SWORE an oath when I joined the military, to DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION!!! Against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN and DOMESTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! part of the plan is to do away with the CONSTITUTION!!!! to do away with and rewrite our FREEDOMS!!!!!

I don't care what anyone says, I choose to FIGHT with every ounce of my being. Everyone else can, " rattle thier sabre", and talk about action....


I plan to act!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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what can one person or two people really do against the decisions of stubborn politicians???