Assisting in Disclosure - What means do we have?

I think the only way to really know is to build ourselfs a ship and take a look for ourselfs. Of course that will take alot of money, time, will power and passion to make that work. Anybody here got the right stuff to do that.
We can make some flyers to put inside ballons and let them go. They could say something like " look to the sky they are real " or do you believe in alien visitors? And every ATS member should by a camcorder and be ready for anything. You go to the store to buy groceries you take your cam with you. You take it everywhere, it's your best friend.

Food for thought

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Get a group of friends together and watch the sky for UFOs. Everyone should bring at least one camera, and a tripod if possible.

If you see anything, spread out and try to film it from multiple angles. Sightings like that are harder to fake.

Film it as long as possible, 30 second videos are usually ignored.

Also contact local media about your sighting, and see if they will show all of the videos and photos on the news.

Think about it this way:

What ONE action would be MOST effective, IF we could get hundreds or thousands of people from ATS all doing it TOGETHER?

I liked the idea of petitioning Greer and CSETI to release to us more of his video footage from CSETI expeditions (as I am certain he does have it) so that we could then help him promote it all over the internet. But people didn't seem very interested in it, when I attempted to get it started here....

OR - we get as many people as possible calling in to popular radio stations and talk shows and trying to get people discussing these issues on live radio/TV broadcasts!

Any other ideas? We need to agree on ONE solid action to take....

(Now watch the apathy in action schuyler.... unless people surprise me this time! )

Originally posted by millerman
I liked the idea of petitioning Greer and CSETI to release to us more of his video footage from CSETI expeditions (as I am certain he does have it) so that we could then help him promote it all over the internet. But people didn't seem very interested in it,

millerman, Greer is a lost cause. His projects and his moth vectoring camps are a lot cause.

If Greer possessed anything near to what he claimed he could do, then we would all be awash in real disclosure instead of chasing moths.

If Cult Greer owns any credible video footage, then we would already have been seeing it on the world news stage. If Cult Greer owns credible footage and they are withholding it from our general viewing, then they are part of the disclosure problem.

The only conclusion is that Cult Greer does not have the video that you are certain they do. Cult Greer is not the vehicle that anyone should use to drive disclosure forward.

One thing that we can do is provide strategies and plans for disclosure.

Another thing we can do is refrain from attacking what Dr Greer has done or not done.

We can direct that energy into what WE can do for disclosure and possibly come up with some good ideas.

Originally posted by tezzajw
millerman, Greer is a lost cause. His projects and his moth vectoring camps are a lot cause.

If Greer possessed anything near to what he claimed he could do, then we would all be awash in real disclosure instead of chasing moths.

If Cult Greer owns any credible video footage, then we would already have been seeing it on the world news stage. If Cult Greer owns credible footage and they are withholding it from our general viewing, then they are part of the disclosure problem.

There is this video.

And I have seen one other video from the 90s of a group doing the CE-5 protocol and a UFO showing up, although I can't find it anywhere these days....

I am certain there are more videos like these, but for whatever reason, Greer has not made them widely available on the internet.

And BTW, your assertion that all Greer needs to do is post a few videos of UFO vectoring and it would cause this whole worldwide Disclosure frenzy, is false.

If you recall, "Prophet Yahweh" already did this, there are at least 20 different videos of UFO vectoring at his site. And did it cause a giant worldwide Disclosure movement? NO, not even close.

So, you are wrong.

More videos won't do any good, IMO.

They get crushed, no matter how good they are. People expect a solid craft or vehicle, made of bolts and metal pieces, when most of the real ETVs are in a quantum state.

Nothing you can do about people's misconception.

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
More videos won't do any good, IMO.

They get crushed, no matter how good they are. People expect a solid craft or vehicle, made of bolts and metal pieces, when most of the real ETVs are in a quantum state.

Nothing you can do about people's misconception.

Yes, this is what I've been trying to say for a while now. Video footage alone won't compel NWO/Military Industrial Complex to release their strangehold on the mainstream media, or disclose everything they know and all the technologies obtained from at least 60 years of black covert projects, or allow independent inventors to bring out the technologies....

A definitive solution to the Disclosure problem would require a way to deal with NWO and redistribute all the massive power, wealth, knowledge and technology they are hoarding. And that is why it's taking Greer so long - he is one guy, up against the people that for all intents and purposes rule the world!

I had a thought this weekend.

Can we list here means to replace the oil industry with other technology without destabilizing the economy.

Let say, we have anti-gravitation tech from the saucers.
How can we introduce the new tech in our economy, without hurting it.

Someone gotta be able to come with ideas on this.

What about the zero-point energy these craft use.
How about massive terraforming in Africa and other deserted area.

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
I had a thought this weekend.

Can we list here means to replace the oil industry with other technology without destabilizing the economy.

Let say, we have anti-gravitation tech from the saucers.
How can we introduce the new tech in our economy, without hurting it.

Someone gotta be able to come with ideas on this.

What about the zero-point energy these craft use.
How about massive terraforming in Africa and other deserted area.

ETDisclosure:

First of all, if and when the New Energy technologies come out en masse, I don't think it will hurt or destabilize the economy at all - in fact I think there will be an unprecedented explosion of new products and services and jobs! So much so that the economic powers-that-be are afraid they won't be able to keep it all under THEIR control - and that's why they won't let it happen....

How do we achieve it? FUNDING.

I was watching Tom Bearden's new documentary, "Energy from the Vacuum" recently, and he said that his unit, the MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) is basically ready to go, but they need about $9 million in funding and 1 hard year of work to get it from the prototype stage to the production stage.

And this has been the central problem with things like the Disclosure Project and these independent inventors since day one, they have always been pathetically, tragically underfunded - or NWO intervenes and prevents them from getting access to significant funds.

So I'm thinking, perhaps people like us could assist in locating philanthropists and investors, educating them about these issues and then directing them to people like Greer and Bearden!

Originally posted by millerman
So I'm thinking, perhaps people like us could assist in locating philanthropists and investors, educating them about these issues and then directing them to people like Greer!

Oh, please, you have got to be joking.

Sending rich people to Greer???

millerman, are you sure you're not part of the Cult recruitment?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
So I'm thinking, perhaps people like us could assist in locating philanthropists and investors, educating them about these issues and then directing them to people like Greer!

Oh, please, you have got to be joking.

Sending rich people to Greer???

millerman, are you sure you're not part of the Cult recruitment?

First of all, you misquoted me, I said direct them to people like Greer AND BEARDEN.

If it is true that Bearden's unit works as stated and taps energy from the active vacuum - then he will need funding and support to get it out to the world! So what is wrong with helping him secure funding, if he has a unit that works?

And for that matter, what's wrong with helping Greer secure funding? If people like what he's doing, why shouldn't they help him?

Originally posted by millerman
And for that matter, what's wrong with helping Greer secure funding? If people like what he's doing, why shouldn't they help him?

Sure, why not? If you want some camp-fire moth parties out in the bush, then go right ahead and help him secure all of the funding that he wants.

Transformers with magnets in them are not hard to build. He could strike a deal with a transformer manufacturer and get many units done up for 100-200 thousand. He could also get microwave transformers and stick a magnet in it and 1-2 smaller coils and sell them for $500 each from about 3-5 hours of work.

That is "IF" it worked and could self power its self as thats the only true test of free energy as it leaves no room for outside wires OR measurement errors. There is no such valid process of "conditioning" resistors and a higher voltage does not mean higher power on its own.

If he were given 9million, I'd say he should be FORCED to use it on a factory and equipment as his MEG is said to have been tested and works already.

hi XL5,

Do you have any means to help Bearden get access to that kind of funding?

It should be easy for Greer to get funding. Ask him to telepath with ET, who can then use their anti-grav properties to levitate the lottery balls into the chute that match the numbers on Greer's winning ticket.

Cult Greer awash with multiple millions of dollars of lottery funds.

Please, millerman... seriously, you don't expect anyone to fund Greer, do you?

I have no direct way to help Bearden but investors will throw money at him if he shows them his device self powering and not running down within a week at full load. The investors should be allowed to have it run in a guarded room with one of thier own engineers monitoring its function. After that, if the investors back off and don't pay, he should just demo it and sell it to the public directly and "stick it to da man".

In my personal opinion any free energy/anti-grav inventor should give the plans away freely so that no "one" can steal/profit off it and all the fame goes to the inventor. I would hate to think inventors were controlled with money and paranoia, with no MIB needed.

Originally posted by XL5
I have no direct way to help Bearden but investors will throw money at him if he shows them his device self powering and not running down within a week at full load.

Yes, the old "if you build it, they will come!"

I don't know, I think that's the way the inventors have been trying to go about it for the past 100 years or so - but it never seems to work! Somehow the process always seems to get thwarted before it gets to that stage where the investors are lined up, the legalities are all worked out and production is ready to go...

That's why I think there needs to be a sustained effort by many people to educate philanthropists and investors about things like TDP and the New Energy Movement and get not just one but MANY of them united around this issue. It's very easy for NWO to dissuade one or two philanthropists from contributing, and I think people seriously underestimate the mind control techniques and things they have at their disposal. But it's much harder to dissuade many investors, corporations etc....

In my personal opinion any free energy/anti-grav inventor should give the plans away freely so that no "one" can steal/profit off it and all the fame goes to the inventor. I would hate to think inventors were controlled with money and paranoia, with no MIB needed.

Well, Bearden and Bedini have a new book out, "Free Energy Generation - Circuits and Schematics", and apparently it's possible to build a working unit just from the schematics in the book. So, they haven't given away the plans for free per se, but they've done the next best thing....

Great topic! I have to say that by just casually introducing the best evidence and creating open discussion with family and close friends, without concern for the out come, eventually people will begin to feel comfortable with the subject and a little less scared.
The 50's 60's portrayal of the little gren men coming to distroy out planet and kill it inhabitants or enslave them, quite possibly slowed down the process of disclosure.
But there is such good information out there now that is put forth in a non threatning way, you can simply use some of the information to support your claim when discussing the field.
A good place to start is with the government files and the possibility that many of the reported sightings could even be of our own design. What I am saying is take it easy and by little steps, people are more open to small digestable bites, than huge overwhelming choking evidence.